A Vieira Beautiful Future - Wild Dreams

Discussion in 'Soccer Board' started by Wu, Feb 24, 2016.

  1. Wu

    Wu Nope.
    TMB OG

    Giroud's #FRA goals:
    2012: 2 in 12 apps
    2013: 3 in 12 apps
    2014: 4 in 9 apps
    2015: 4 in 10 apps
    2016: 7 in 8 apps
     
  2. Wu

    Wu Nope.
    TMB OG

    Toral on loan to Granada.
     
  3. Gunners

    Gunners Nicking a living
    Donor
    Ohio State BuckeyesBaltimore OriolesWashington WizardsWashington Football TeamWashington CapitalsArsenal

    Zelly is gonna get a lot of preseason time with Crowley gone too.
     
  4. Jork

    Jork Just a humble motherfucker with a big ass dick
    Staff Donor

    Not quite sink or swim time for him yet, but it does feel like he needs to show well this preseason or he'll get loaned out again.

    Kinda surprised they loaned out Toral again. I know it was the Championship, but he seems like he could have been useful cover in the midfield with that position still being a net -2 bodies so far this summer (Arteta, Flamini, Rosicky out; Xhaka in). Wenger is probably counting on a healthier squad than we'll end up having, which is nothing new.
     
  5. zeberdee

    zeberdee wheel snipe celly boys
    Donor TMB OG
    Penn State Nittany LionsPhiladelphia PhilliesPhiladelphia 76'ersPhiladelphia EaglesPhiladelphia FlyersArsenalPhiladelphia UnionUnited States Men's National Soccer Team

    Toral's contract is up after this year too. I guess they really don't see a future for him at Arsenal.
     
  6. WillySaliba

    WillySaliba Well-Known Member
    Donor
    Philadelphia 76'ersArsenal

    El neny would probably also be considered an add.

    I would also think Jeff is way higher than Zelly in the pecking order.
     
  7. Gunners

    Gunners Nicking a living
    Donor
    Ohio State BuckeyesBaltimore OriolesWashington WizardsWashington Football TeamWashington CapitalsArsenal

    Zelalem needs to be loaned out again, do wanna see him in preseason though.

    The Jeff I saw last year wasn't close to a viable option, Willock was much better.
     
  8. Jorts

    Jorts "Ask about my Mortgage Services"
    Donor
    ArsenalEnglandFormula 1

    Euros have been great, but cannot wait for them to end, so the transfer speculation steps back up
     
    NineteenNine likes this.
  9. Jorts

    Jorts "Ask about my Mortgage Services"
    Donor
    ArsenalEnglandFormula 1

    Since I’ve missed the banter, I’ll attempt to strike some up here… Thoughts on incoming striker

    I hate the usual suspects:
    Higuain - upgrade, for sure, but he has his faults. We wouldn't pay 40M... unlikely to pay 60M
    Lukaku - Faster, yet considerably worse than Giroud in all other areas
    Morata – great touch/movement & more pace than Giroud, yet doesn’t score enough… time to develop, but don’t think he puts us over the top this season
    Lacazette – can play across front 3, pace to burn, but couldn’t beat out Gignac to make Euros… still the option I hate the least because of versatility. Can play wide, opposite Alexis or as a 2nd striker with Giroud.

    At this point, I’d prefer we forego a striker & bring in another wide option. Draxler would be ideal, but Gotze / Isco / Mahrez ... basically anyone but Theo or Ox will do

    What say you?
    Gunners Wu zeberdee Wallcock Jork IronLung zeberdee visa elfrid NineteenNine False9 ARSENAL AUShyGuy Jean-Ralphio ucgators21 Chipper>Jeter tne eagle19 rainey
     
    #1609 Jorts, Jul 5, 2016
    Last edited: Jul 5, 2016
    visa likes this.
  10. NineteenNine

    NineteenNine Divers are, in fact, wankers. It's science.
    Donor
    ArsenalTiger WoodsSneakersDallas Mavericks altTexas Tech Red Raiders alt

    Mahrez would be soooooo good.
     
  11. IronLung

    IronLung #systeme #tchakap
    Donor
    Clemson TigersCharlotte HornetsCarolina PanthersArsenal

    Lacazette of those striker options. Draxler or Mahrez in addition to a striker is what we would do if we wanted to win.

    Now that I think of it, it's been strangely silent re: Mahrez leaving Leicester for anywhere. It's not like he's at the Euros but I haven't heard much of anything in the press since the end of the season.
     
    Jorts, Wallcock and NineteenNine like this.
  12. Jorts

    Jorts "Ask about my Mortgage Services"
    Donor
    ArsenalEnglandFormula 1

    Yeah, Lacazette is the option I hate the least, of the strikers mentioned... him plus Draxler/Mahrez would be perfect
     
    #1612 Jorts, Jul 5, 2016
    Last edited: Jul 5, 2016
  13. NineteenNine

    NineteenNine Divers are, in fact, wankers. It's science.
    Donor
    ArsenalTiger WoodsSneakersDallas Mavericks altTexas Tech Red Raiders alt

    I'd actually like Morata as a backup to Giroud. Just don't run Giroud into the ground and we'll be good to go imo.
     
  14. IronLung

    IronLung #systeme #tchakap
    Donor
    Clemson TigersCharlotte HornetsCarolina PanthersArsenal

    I want nothing to do with Higuain at the price he will command. I like that Morata scores in big games but I think Lacazette would give us something different from Giroud with his pace. Not to mention Lacazette would likely cost less.
     
  15. Wu

    Wu Nope.
    TMB OG

    We could probably get Higuain for a lower price for Higuain considering his Copa showing and most in Argentina want him dead now.
     
  16. zeberdee

    zeberdee wheel snipe celly boys
    Donor TMB OG
    Penn State Nittany LionsPhiladelphia PhilliesPhiladelphia 76'ersPhiladelphia EaglesPhiladelphia FlyersArsenalPhiladelphia UnionUnited States Men's National Soccer Team

    I love Draxler. would love to bring him in and try to find an under the radar guy to play up top. Fekir was mentioned again on arsecast again this week. he's a guy coming off an injury who I'd love to see them take a shot on if the price is right.

    I do agree a wide man is more important though.
     
    False9 likes this.
  17. Jorts

    Jorts "Ask about my Mortgage Services"
    Donor
    ArsenalEnglandFormula 1

    I don't really care about price, I just want the best option. That said, I feel Lacazette's price will allow us to still address other areas of need. While he might not have the upside of Morata, he is the more finished product, more versatile & will help us immediately. 40M for Morata as Giroud's backup is insane
     
  18. Wu

    Wu Nope.
    TMB OG

    I'd really like Mahrez because he can play up top and out wide to fill in for injuries or dips in form.

    Or Reus

    Or Griezmann

    Or I can have a three way with Scarlett Johannson and Emma Watson
     
    Jork, False9, elfrid and 1 other person like this.
  19. Jorts

    Jorts "Ask about my Mortgage Services"
    Donor
    ArsenalEnglandFormula 1

    Feel like there are so many wide options this summer that we'd be completely negligent to not take one
     
    #1619 Jorts, Jul 5, 2016
    Last edited: Jul 5, 2016
  20. Gunners

    Gunners Nicking a living
    Donor
    Ohio State BuckeyesBaltimore OriolesWashington WizardsWashington Football TeamWashington CapitalsArsenal

    Telegraph article on Lacazette but seemed a bit wishy washy

    Just want a striker with pace better than Theo so Giroud isn't relied on nearly as much.

    I'm just praying we make a forward signing and Wenger doesn't pull his bullshit because the market is inflated.
     
  21. WillySaliba

    WillySaliba Well-Known Member
    Donor
    Philadelphia 76'ersArsenal

    Yeah team wide option as well. We just need some speed at this point which is crazy because we already have it, they just suck. Then in terms of creativity I'd argue we have that out wide as well with Aaron and Jack in the right but they obviously lack the speed of Theo or Alex. Again not my prevailing thoughts on the squad as I see them, just more as I think they're viewed internally.

    Long story short I think that translates to looking for a central only player. Love me some lacazette but Lyon will rake us. I don't think he's much of a discount if at all. I'd venture to guess he'll cost at least 35 million euros.

    From what I've seen in order of what I want outside EPL.

    Dybala
    Fekir
    Draxler
    Reus
    Gotze
     
  22. Gunners

    Gunners Nicking a living
    Donor
    Ohio State BuckeyesBaltimore OriolesWashington WizardsWashington Football TeamWashington CapitalsArsenal

    Welbeck isn't gonna play next year, you can get creative at rw with the players we have but there are 2 bodies at striker and neither is consistent.
     
  23. zeberdee

    zeberdee wheel snipe celly boys
    Donor TMB OG
    Penn State Nittany LionsPhiladelphia PhilliesPhiladelphia 76'ersPhiladelphia EaglesPhiladelphia FlyersArsenalPhiladelphia UnionUnited States Men's National Soccer Team

    Dybala is the dream but zero chance he's sold.
     
  24. WillySaliba

    WillySaliba Well-Known Member
    Donor
    Philadelphia 76'ersArsenal

    Totally agree. Just saying if there's even a consideration to go beyond say 45-50, do it right.
     
  25. ucgators21

    ucgators21 Well-Known Member

    Mahrez would be number 1 on my list followed by Morata/Lacazette.
     
    visa likes this.
  26. elfrid

    elfrid he thinks the carpet pissers did this?
    Miami HurricanesOrlando MagicTampa Bay BuccaneersArsenalOrlando CityUnited States Men's National Soccer Team

    mkhitaryan going to united hurt. i realllly wanted him, and feel he would have been perfect for us imo.

    don't think dybala, griezmann (obviously), pea (duh), or benzema are realistic options.

    my big board:

    1. draxler - he's amazing. not sure this needs much explanation.

    2. morata - always thought he sucked at madrid, but his combination of size, speed, age, and his performances for juve lead me to believe he was just young and thrown into the fire. think £30m is a fair price for him, would go up to £35m.

    3. icardi - natural goal scorer, young, mobile, might be a bit of a head case, but he is probably the best finisher we can get (outside of higuain). wouldn't go over £30m.

    4. lacazette - young, black, and french. what's not to like? besides the £40m price tag though.

    5. higuain - goal getter, but a little old for my liking. would still be ecstatic if we got him.

    if those options don't work out, i say we give alexis another shot of playing up top







    and we add reus
     
    visa and Wallcock like this.
  27. WillySaliba

    WillySaliba Well-Known Member
    Donor
    Philadelphia 76'ersArsenal

    Like awarded for young black and French. Read like Puffy said it, with money hanging out the anus.
     
    NineteenNine and elfrid like this.
  28. AUShyGuy

    AUShyGuy Unbridled Enthusiasm
    Auburn TigersNew Orleans SaintsDetroit Red WingsArsenalAtlanta United

    Could we not just recall Sanogo and call it a day?
     
    visa, Wallcock and elfrid like this.
  29. zeberdee

    zeberdee wheel snipe celly boys
    Donor TMB OG
    Penn State Nittany LionsPhiladelphia PhilliesPhiladelphia 76'ersPhiladelphia EaglesPhiladelphia FlyersArsenalPhiladelphia UnionUnited States Men's National Soccer Team

    he is young, black and French.
     
    Jork, visa, NineteenNine and 2 others like this.
  30. Coach Prison Mike

    Coach Prison Mike >>—;;—;—>
    Donor

    ---Giroud---Alexis---
    Draxler--Ozil--Ramsey
    ---------Xhaka--------

    Or

    Alexis---Giroud---Lacazette
    ------Ozil------Ramsey---
    ----------Xhaka----------
     
    NineteenNine likes this.
  31. NineteenNine

    NineteenNine Divers are, in fact, wankers. It's science.
    Donor
    ArsenalTiger WoodsSneakersDallas Mavericks altTexas Tech Red Raiders alt

    Yes. Either of these would work.
     
  32. zeberdee

    zeberdee wheel snipe celly boys
    Donor TMB OG
    Penn State Nittany LionsPhiladelphia PhilliesPhiladelphia 76'ersPhiladelphia EaglesPhiladelphia FlyersArsenalPhiladelphia UnionUnited States Men's National Soccer Team

    I'm pretty meh on Lacazette.
     
    Jork and elfrid like this.
  33. AUShyGuy

    AUShyGuy Unbridled Enthusiasm
    Auburn TigersNew Orleans SaintsDetroit Red WingsArsenalAtlanta United

    Wenger just gonna buy youth squad prospects and doubles down on playing only through the middle.

    Could be fun:

    ------Giroud-------
    ---Alexis----Özil---
    Xhaka-Elneny/Coq-Ramsey
     
  34. Jorts

    Jorts "Ask about my Mortgage Services"
    Donor
    ArsenalEnglandFormula 1

    I don't really think anyone is over the moon about him as our striker signing. At this point, I'm just hoping for someone with speed, that doesn't suck as badly as Theo.
     
  35. WillySaliba

    WillySaliba Well-Known Member
    Donor
    Philadelphia 76'ersArsenal

    I'd almost be alright with that if he cleared out the dead weight. Just tired of him running out Ox, Theo and Giroud all the time. To Giroud's credit, it's obviously not his fault but he gets absolutely run into the ground. Obviously he has his limitations just gets rendered useless from overuse.
     
  36. Jorts

    Jorts "Ask about my Mortgage Services"
    Donor
    ArsenalEnglandFormula 1

    I welcome you back to #TeamGiroud
    [​IMG]
     
    Jork, False9, visa and 2 others like this.
  37. zeberdee

    zeberdee wheel snipe celly boys
    Donor TMB OG
    Penn State Nittany LionsPhiladelphia PhilliesPhiladelphia 76'ersPhiladelphia EaglesPhiladelphia FlyersArsenalPhiladelphia UnionUnited States Men's National Soccer Team

    I haven't given up on Ox yet. Theo can beat it.
     
    Jork and visa like this.
  38. Jorts

    Jorts "Ask about my Mortgage Services"
    Donor
    ArsenalEnglandFormula 1

    I'm the opposite

    I'm still a Theo apologist, but Ox is dead to me. His only contribution to the team last season were turnovers in our half, that lead to conceded goals. He should be playing for Palace or West Ham.
     
  39. zeberdee

    zeberdee wheel snipe celly boys
    Donor TMB OG
    Penn State Nittany LionsPhiladelphia PhilliesPhiladelphia 76'ersPhiladelphia EaglesPhiladelphia FlyersArsenalPhiladelphia UnionUnited States Men's National Soccer Team

    unfortunately the bolded is probably necessary for his development at this point. he needs to play and I doubt he gets the time he needs at Arsenal, but I still think he can be a good player if has the fitness and opportunity.

    Theo is a bum.
     
  40. Wu

    Wu Nope.
    TMB OG

    Theo went to shit once we caved in and gave him 100k
     
    Jork, NineteenNine and visa like this.
  41. visa

    visa Well-Known Member
    Donor
    Michigan WolverinesArsenalEnglandOlympics

    I prefer Morata followed by Higuain. I don't know how viable either are but based on speculation and Jorts opening discourse, that's where I stand. Agree with zeberdee re Ox > Theo. I have a feeling Arsene will hold onto them both which probably means no Draxler or Mahrez :/

    Still want Ricardo Rodriguez despite not really showing out for Swiss in Euro. And another CB. I like Schar. I don't recall being linked with any but several of you are more in the loop.
     
  42. zeberdee

    zeberdee wheel snipe celly boys
    Donor TMB OG
    Penn State Nittany LionsPhiladelphia PhilliesPhiladelphia 76'ersPhiladelphia EaglesPhiladelphia FlyersArsenalPhiladelphia UnionUnited States Men's National Soccer Team

    only other CB I've seen us linked to is Rob Holding from Bolton. he's only 20 years old though so even if he's bought could see him going out on loan.
     
  43. elfrid

    elfrid he thinks the carpet pissers did this?
    Miami HurricanesOrlando MagicTampa Bay BuccaneersArsenalOrlando CityUnited States Men's National Soccer Team

    no but for real we probably won't sign anybody else this summer
     
  44. Jorts

    Jorts "Ask about my Mortgage Services"
    Donor
    ArsenalEnglandFormula 1

    Before Brexit killed the pound sterling, the entire EPL was about to go ham in the market... We are gonna spend & spend BIG
     
    elfrid likes this.
  45. elfrid

    elfrid he thinks the carpet pissers did this?
    Miami HurricanesOrlando MagicTampa Bay BuccaneersArsenalOrlando CityUnited States Men's National Soccer Team

    i think, and hope, you're right Jorts. last summer still gives me nightmares though.
     
    NineteenNine likes this.
  46. Coach Prison Mike

    Coach Prison Mike >>—;;—;—>
    Donor

    Want Rodridguez as well but think then you need a CB even more because of how much he'd be used in the attack (him and Bellerin overlapping Draxler and Ramsey is the dream).

    Mustafi would be great but doubt we'd pay that much.
     
  47. ARSENAL

    ARSENAL Well-Known Member
    Donor
    West Virginia MountaineersAtlanta BravesMiami DolphinsArsenal

    Arsenal to offer 50 for Draxler, via ESPN.
     
    visa, Wallcock and elfrid like this.
  48. Wu

    Wu Nope.
    TMB OG

    Nah.
     
    Jorts likes this.
  49. Jorts

    Jorts "Ask about my Mortgage Services"
    Donor
    ArsenalEnglandFormula 1

    Want it to be true, but think it's BS.
     
    Wu, Wallcock, False9 and 3 others like this.
  50. WillySaliba

    WillySaliba Well-Known Member
    Donor
    Philadelphia 76'ersArsenal

    Arsenal blocked Iwobi from going to Brazil. At this point we will be without Ozil, Alexis, Giroud, Aaron, Kos and Draxler to start the season.

    Projected lineups?

    Nacho Per Gabriel Bell
    Xhaka El Neny
    Jack Iwobi Santi
    Lacazette