AEW / WWE thread - Real Fighting about Fake Fighting

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  1. MG2

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    I can't get worked up about Wyatt losing like that.

    I don't want to put words in mouths and suggest this is all posters on the internet, but seems like the wins via interference/cheating get judged differently based on who it happens to. When Cena lost this way, I would read complaints because it wasn't a "clean" win. When Rollins won this way, a lot of people got mad because the company wasn't letting him win without cheating. But when Wyatt loses because of interference, seems like some just focus on the result.

    The result is irrelevant. They didn't job Wyatt to Kane. They did what they could to advance a storyline to make that feud better for whenever Orton gets cleared.
     
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  2. You and You

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    Agreed.
     
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    Really solid show.

    Becky winning makes sense she was the #1 women picked and for no other reason you had to put it on her. The women had a nice match and its tough to pull off those big singles matches.

    No issues with Kane going over. Apparently Orton is still messed up and you need to extend the program anyways because of a thin roster. Think this turns into a classic survivor series match. Probably see a reuniting Wyatt family. With Bray, Rowan, Harper and Braun since its a co-brand ppv.

    Dolph needs to be turned. Both worked hard and put on a solid match. Love when the valet heels off.

    I think to properly push the Uso's and build them right was to put the belts on them. I think they had some time on the Slater gimmick to stretch them out and have the Uso's cheat as to why Slater doesn't have a job. I think that was the better way to build their feud since Alpha is out for the next month.

    Thought the crowd was a bit dead for AJ / Ambrose but they got them connected later in the match. Crowd was very pro AJ. Would almost like to see this feud work its way into a double turn. Dean wont ever fully get over as a "lunatic" in this fashion. Turn him heel, have him get Mankind/Cactus crazy and see what happens. Everyone loves AJ turn him face and sell that merchandise.

    Really solid show given the lack of roster depth. Definitely needs some bodies and a few NXT callups soon.
     
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  4. triceratops

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    Roster is too thin for a monthly 3 hour PPV.

    2 hours would be plenty. Can't have stars like the Usos wrestling twice on every PPV.
     
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  5. Illinihockey

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    Was going to say in the last 6 months we've got AJ, Owens, Rollins, and Balor as world champions. Just wish they'd put Zayne higher up on the card.
     
  6. Illinihockey

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    So the women's match had disaster written all over it but actually was really good. I think its noticeable how far Carmella is behind the other girls in the ring. Alexa Bliss was surprisingly good. Brand split was a godsend for Becky. Was worried she was going to never get her shot with a belt because she's just not as good as Sasha, Charlotte, and Bayley. Very happy for her.

    Why not just let Bray destroy Kane and have Randy get him at the end of the match? Bray had to have fucked Linda McMahon or something. He's a glorified jobber even with the brand split.

    Usos as heels works. As someone else said if you bring up Joe and make a heel Samoan stable, that could be really good.

    Main event was amazing. I think AJ can make anyone look good. He needs to stay champion for a long ass time. There's no one that is currently on the roster that has any business taking the title off of him.
     
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  7. Tiffin

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    When is Dana Brooke going to face turn...

    wait, did it just happen while I was tying this?

    I'm a few minutes behind, obviously.
     
  8. Brocktoon

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    Bayley looks like a slimmer, pre-surgery Chyna in the face
     
  9. Poetic

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    I never pay attention to her face, just them jammers stuffed into her top and dat ass.
     
  10. Tiffin

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    WWE has been in love with that 3 person turnbuckle superplex recently. was used twice last night, just now, and I want to say in a recent Universal title match or playoff match.
     
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    Bo's new character confuses me
     
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  12. Poetic

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    lol, I love Jericho.
     
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  13. fsugrad99

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    I'm just glad they're doing something with him

    Bo is my favorite jobber
     
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  14. Tiffin

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    Raw really needs to quick with the jobber squash matches. It was good for a few weeks, but it's too much to have 2 every week. Last week it seemed like they were going to move Jax out of them, and Braun had Sin Cara? Hopefully they continue that, but still, it's gotten stale having one every week. Moderation, Vince.
     
  15. Shiggityshwo

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    I can fucks with a little Jericho/Zayn
     
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  16. Tiffin

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    :laugh: at Jericho laying on the mat to introduce Sami
     
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  17. Tiffin

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    I don't know if the guy in the red jersey is a regular like the guy in the green shirt next to him, but him standing up and cheering for Jericho killed me. Clapping like a seal back there.
     
  18. fsugrad99

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    Golden State Sheamus blew a 3-1 lead
     
  19. Illinihockey

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    Zayne is a lot better on the mic than he used to be. this feud should be good
     
  20. Tiffin

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    Reverse Tom-spiracy, he must have been actually standing for that interview with Nia.
     
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  21. fsugrad99

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    Props to them for bring along Nia the right way
     
  22. Illinihockey

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    According to Owens, he found out he was winning the Universal title around 5 pm on the night he won. For 'K.O.', Triple H handing him the championship on RAW was "poetic" insofar as Triple H was the person behind-the-scenes who always believed in him.

    "It couldn't have been better, but not just for storyline purposes, the 'where do we go from here?', 'why did Triple H do it?', 'what's going to happen with Seth [Rollins] and Triple H?', this and that. It obviously opens a lot of doors for interesting stuff TV-wise. But for me personally, when you win the world title, people assume, 'oh, you probably want it to be this incredible battle where you claw, blood, sweat, and tears, and you just had this apparent moment.' Besides the fact that I'm a heel, Triple H got me here. He made the call to hire me. He made the call to take a chance on me because he hired somebody who wasn't a cookie cutter WWE Superstar. And there would have been a chance where somebody would have been like, 'you hired him? Are you kidding?'

    "Even when I was hired, I was told by [WWE Senior Director or Talent Development] Canyon Ceman who called me to announce 'okay, we're going to sign you, but I was specifically told to tell you don't get your hopes up for RAW or SmackDown because you're not the typical WWE Superstar. You're going to have a chance in NXT just like everyone else.' So I said, 'oh, I'm up for the challenge' and he said, 'I figured that's what you were going to say'. That's how my career started here and then Triple H always obviously believed in me. That's why he signed me and he saw something in me. And Terry Taylor even straight up told me once at the Performance Center, he was like, 'Triple H sees something in you. I don't see it, but it's my job to bring it out.' And then, later on, like, now, I have a great relationship with Terry. But part of why I love it is because he's so honest. Other people really dislike that about Terry. I love it. So anyway, last Monday night, Triple H literally handing me the title, but that was a moment, like, that was incredible to me and I got to say 'thank you' in the ring. Like, he gave me the title and I said, 'thank you', but it wasn't 'thank you for giving me the title'. It was 'thank you for everything'. Yeah, because without him, like, I had Steve Austin saying good things about me [and] I even had The Rock saying good things about me before I got signed by WWE. But without Triple H taking that chance, who knows where I'd be now?"

    http://www.wrestlinginc.com/wi/news...en-he-found-out-he-was-winning-wwe-universal/
     
  23. Illinihockey

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    Lmao new day killing that awful skit from last week
     
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  24. Tiffin

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    New Day acknowledging how terrible the skit was last week is appreciated.
     
  25. Tiffin

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    Am I supposed to care about Jinder Mahal or Jack Swagger?
     
  26. Tiffin

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    So Jinder gave some weird "while I was away" speech, and Jack Swagger's contract with Raw is up soon (2 months after the draft). Ok.
     
  27. Tiffin

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    Meanwhile, I don't know why, but the Shining Stars are growing on me. Big fan of this timeshare con they're running.
     
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  28. fsugrad99

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    It feels mildly racist, but in no way can I prove it
     
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  29. Joey Freshwater

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    So who did Braun murder this week?
     
  30. Tiffin

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    KO killing it backstage :ohgosh:
     
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  31. Tiffin

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    No one, he got a video package of killing people.
     
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  32. Tiffin

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    Roman kicks out after 1.

    "THAT WAS 3!!" :laugh: Man KO is the absolute best.
     
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  33. jrmy

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    I fucking died at this
     
  34. Tiffin

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    Oh god we just got shaky cam. Raw continues it's descent into madness.
     
  35. Tiffin

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    So, I'm good with extending Roman/Rusev, but now that he interfered too, I'm curious exactly what sort of punishment Rollins is supposed to get and if Rusev gets punished as well.

    Idk, strange.
     
  36. jrmy

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    Rusev do smash!
    Rusev do crush!
     
  37. dome foam

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    crowd was lit last night.
     
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  38. oknole

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    Swagger's music/gimmick is legit. Just on the wrong guy.
     
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  39. The Hebrew Husker

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    Time for my Hulu replay of Raw....
     
  40. Tiffin

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    Can you sort of give me a cliff notes version of this, or recommend an article or something that covers it:

    Just happened well before I jumped back in, so it interests me exactly what went down.
     
  41. Nostradumass

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  42. Nostradumass

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    Actually that article is super long, so for the cliffs:

    In 2013 Daniel Bryan and Kane were a very popular tag team. They were "peak New Day" over, if not more so. WWE decided to push Bryan to the main event and he went over Cena (who was taking a couple months off for injury) for the title at SummerSlam 2013.

    Bryan won and Triple H then turned on him and Randy Orton cashed in to win the title that night. That's fine; that sets up Bryan's first title program.

    Orton vs Bryan main evented the next PPV and Bryan won it back. But then the SummerSlam PPV buyrate came out (this was six months before the WWE Network made buyrates meaningless). The buys were good but not the slamdunk they expected (Punk vs Lesnar was the co-main). Vince got cold feet on Bryan and took him out of the title picture (he ended up working tag matches with Punk). Orton reclaimed the WWE title and entered a feud with Big Show (lolythowedontknow) and John Cena. The feud with Cena ended 2013 and was set to unify the World Heavyweight Title and the WWE title for the first time since the brand split.

    WWE tried making it a big deal with their two biggest stars of the era (Orton and Cena) putting on an epic clash blah blah blah but fans were sick of Orton vs Cena, having seen it a million times over the past half-decade. On an episode of Raw designed to put over the prestige of being champion (since they were about to unify the belts and make ONE champ for the first time since 2002), WWE basically brought out former champs to stand there and look impressed at Orton and Cena and the two titles. Instead the crowd chanted for Daniel Bryan, hijacking the segment...



    it was glorious.

    Then, WWE--ever the thick-headed and stupid bunch---decided they needed a main event for wrestlemania, and announced Batista was coming back. Now, everyone loves Batista now but at the time this was a wet blanket. Batista vs Orton was announced as the main event, after Batista won the Rumble. But fans booed the finish (Batista was supposed to be a babyface) so mercilessly that Vince broke down and actually gave the fans what they wanted.

    The next month, February PPV, Bryan was in an Elimination Chamber match for the title and lost (he was the final elimination). Everyone was furious but by this point we were all just marks getting played. Bryan "hijacked" an episode of Raw shortly thereafter and was granted a match with Triple H at WrestleMania 30. It felt like a consolation prize but he demanded that, if he wins, he would get slotted into the main event for the title. THat's when I knew he was going over.



    He wrestles Triple H in H's best match ever, imo, wins and then taps out Batista to win the belt. The rest is a nightmare, but everything between SummerSlam and Mania ended up being the most accidentally great title story WWE has done since Austin's first win.
     
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  43. Poetic

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    You cable cutters, how do you watch RAW/SD weekly?
     
  44. MG2

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    You forgot the part where WWE tried to turn Bryan heel to stop him from getting cheered, so they had in the Wyatt family for a couple weeks before realizing that wasn't happening.

    The funny thing is that, as stupid and unfair as it probably is to say, Vince and his crew haven't exactly been proven wrong over the last few years. Bryan got the belt and immediately got hurt. Rollins and Balor both had to give up the belt because of injuries, too. Again, it's probably unfair to say it's anything more than bad luck, but it's kind of amazing how rarely that happened until Bryan and others of his ilk started getting the belt.
     
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    watchwrestling.uno

    average streams during the broadcast, SD videos broken into 15 minute chunks are posted about 30 minutes behind the show, HD videos (one for each hour) about an hour after the broadcast
     
  46. Shawn Hunter

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    Hulu replay.
     
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  47. Illinihockey

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    But really its timing more than anything, guys have been hurt just not while carrying the belt. Cena has missed time with injury, Roman has missed time with injury, Rusev has missed time with injury, Bray has missed time with injury, Orton has missed time with injury. Even if you want to go back HHH had a major injury that required time off.
     
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  48. Poetic

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    I want to get rid of cable bad but I like sports so much so I'm nervous about it.
     
  49. Poetic

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