Qatar urged to reject AC in stadiums Associated Press ZURICH -- Architects designing a 2022 World Cup stadium are trying to persuade Qatari organizers to scrap plans to have air conditioning in the venue. John Barrow of leading firm Populous says air conditioning is too expensive and "notoriously unsustainable" when used on a large scale. Air-conditioned stadiums to beat 122-degree desert heat in June were a defining theme of Qatar's winning bid last year. Barrow, however, says the planned Sports City stadium can be kept cool by shading seats and traditional Arabic methods for ventilation. Populous proposes using wind towers to create fan-like air movement inside the 47,000-capacity stadium. Barrow says spectators could be kept comfortable at 86 degrees during evening matches.
Can't imagine the normal amount of travelers from around the world are going to show. Gut feeling is its going to be a very high concentration of fans from the arab world so I can't imagine 86 degrees would bother them much. No alcohol sales = fail and fifa= fail
Heat rises as Qatar dismisses plans for air-conditioned stadia at 2022 football World Cup By Travelmail Reporter Last updated at 2:25 PM on 10th November 2011 It may be over ten years away – but football fans heading to the Middle East to watch the World Cup in 2022 will be in for an exceedingly hot time. The planet’s biggest sporting event is due to be held in Qatar during the June and July of that year – a portion of the calendar when temperatures in the desert state can reach a thermometer-troubling 50°C (122 degrees Farenheit). State of the art? Qatar has promised high-tech stadia - such as the Al Gharafa stadium - for the 2022 World Cup This will come as no surprise to anyone with a basic knowledge of the heat that assails the Gulf region at the height of summer – but will come as a concern to the tournament’s organisers, who were told that Qatar’s climate would not be an issue. Qatar’s winning bid to stage the World Cup was partly based on the assurance that it would build high-tech air-conditioned stadia to keep temperatures at manageable levels. But this plan has now been dismissed by the architect tasked with building one of the most important arenas. John Barrow of Populous, the company which is designing the Sports City stadium in the capital Doha, says that air-conditioning on such a scale is ‘notoriously unsustainable.’ ‘We are doing away with all the air conditioning kit that is going to cost a fortune to run,’ Mr Barrow has told delegates at the International Football Arena conference in Zurich. ‘I think you can be more clever. ‘It is about air movement, moisture in the air and it is about the temperature at the right time of day.’ Jubilation: News that Qatar had won the battle to stage the 2022 World Cup sparked ecstatic scenes Populous played a role in helping Qatar to win the 2022 tournament, building a small prototype of an air-conditioned stadium in Doha. This helped to persuade football’s governing body FIFA that a sporting event in the Middle East could be feasible. But, according to Mr Barrow, the plan for cooler stadia in 2022 may now rely on more traditional Arabic methods – including ‘wind towers’ that assist ventilation by sucking up hot air and improving circulation. ‘It is part of the building tradition of the Gulf to create wind towers which naturally ventilate,’ he continued. ‘If you have air movement which keeps you cool like a fan, that makes all the difference.’ Qatar assured FIFA that stadiums used in the World Cup could be regulated at 26°C – but Mr Barrow has suggested that this temperature is excessively low. ‘It doesn’t need to be 26°C,’ he added. ‘Fan expectation needs to be a little more relaxed.’ The controversy over temperatures in the stadium will only add to concerns that Qatar 2022 will be the least tourist-friendly World Cup to date. Last summer’s World Cup, held in cities around South Africa, gave overseas fans the opportunity to explore the likes of Cape Town and Johannesburg, enjoy safaris in Kruger National Park and bask on the beaches of the country’s long coast. Chill factor: Qatar proposed to build air-conditioned stadia to combat the heat - but this plan has now been dismissed The 2014 tournament will be held in Brazil, with games distributed around a country of enormous geographical diversity. Games will be staged in the huge metropolis of Sao Paulo (the largest city in the Southern Hemisphere) and the northerly outpost of Manaus, the gateway to the Amazon Rainforest. Coastal hotspots such as Fortaleza, Natal and Recife will also play their part, while the final is due to be held in the spectacular surroundings of the Maracana stadium in Rio de Janeiro. By contrast, Qatar 2022 will be on a far smaller scale, with 12 stadia due to be built in a country of fierce climate that, at just 4,416 square miles, is smaller than the combined landmass of the Falkland Islands. Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/article-2059873/Qatar-World-Cup-Plan-air-conditioned-stadiums-dismissed.html#ixzz1dJtH4nAK
How can they keep the WC in Qatar if they aren't doing the AC stadiums. It's going to be way too hot for the players and for the fans
Such a shitty fucking idea this was from the jump. Hope it was worth it you crooked piece of shit FIFA officials. How is work going on those "artificial clouds"? Any place that has artificial clouds and stadium AC worked into its presentation doesn't deserve to have a fucking presentation to begin with IMO.
sadly this will be America's best chance to win hope the other team dies in a heat stroke then pounce
I don't know how these things work but can't FIFA reevaluate their bid due to the fact that they got it based in some part off of promising to have AC and now they refuse? Or am I just a tard?
I'd imagine if Qatar got the bid through shady means, they wouldn't be quiet if fifa chose to take their bid away from them And we all know they did bride some mother fuckers, so fuck everyone involved
That got that one lady to shut up immediately after she threatened to go public with information and discredited her. FIFA is too powerful to be taken down.
Football Federation Australia chief not convinced 2022 World Cup will go ahead in Qatar By Associated Press, Updated: Monday, November 28, 5:04 AM SYDNEY — Australia’s soccer chief isn’t convinced the 2022 World Cup will go ahead as planned in Qatar. Football Federation Australia chairman Frank Lowy said on Monday that the “last word hasn’t been heard yet” on the FIFA vote that awarded the event to Qatar over bids from countries including the United States and Australia. Lowy did not elaborate on how or why Qatar would lose the rights, but said it related to “the state of the FIFA executive committee.” “I don’t know whether you recall when I came back from that fateful day (after losing the bid) and I said ‘this is not the last word about awarding the World Cup,’ ” Lowy said after he was formally re-elected as FFA chairman on Monday. “Well, it wasn’t the last word. “Don’t ask me to elaborate because I don’t have a crystal ball ... but the media all over the world is talking about that, the awarding particularly of ‘22, the state of the FIFA executive committee — all that stuff. “It’s not over,” Lowy was quoted to say by Australian Associated Press. “I don’t exactly know where it will bounce. The only thing I know is it’s not over yet.” Qatar’s successful bid became implicated in a broad-ranging corruption scandal that plagued FIFA this year, with FIFA general secretary Jerome Valcke saying in a leaked email that they “bought the World Cup.” There were accusations of corruption in the bidding process and Mohamed Bin Hammam, the president of the Asian Football Confederation and a campaigner for his native Qatar to host the World Cup, has since been banned for life from all soccer activities on charges of trying to bribe Caribbean voters in his quest to unseat Sepp Blatter as president of FIFA. Bin Hammam has denied the allegation and is appealing his ban in the Court of Arbitration for Sport. Meanwhile, questions have been raised about the feasibility of Qatar’s promise to air-condition stadiums to combat the searing heat in the Middle East during the World Cup window in June and July.
Michel Platini calls for Qatar 2022 World Cup to be held in winter • Uefa president says clubs should accept winter World Cup • 'How can people go to Qatar in 50 degrees in June?' reddit this Alan Gardner guardian.co.uk,Friday 2 December 2011 09.28 EST Article history The Uefa president, Michel Platini, has called for the 2022 World Cup in Qatar to be moved to the winter months to prevent fans suffering in the heat. Photograph: Stephane Mahe/Reuters Michel Platini, the president of Uefa, believes the 2022 World Cup in Qatar should be held in the winter to ensure fans were not dissuaded from travelling by the country's searing summer temperatures. He also suggested that Europe's clubs should not stand in the way of such a demand. In an interview with al-Jazeera, Platini said he agreed with the suggestion that the 2022 World Cup should be moved to the winter months, away from its usual window in June and July. He said that while players would compete in acclimatised stadiums, supporters could not be expected to spend several weeks in the emirate without ever leaving their hotels due to the heat. Asked whether he would be willing to shift Uefa competitions, such as the Champions League, to accommodate this, Platini said "of course", emphasising that "the World Cup is the most important thing". "If we play in winter it will be not a problem [to organise]," said Platini. "How can people go to Qatar in 50 degrees in June? If the people can't come to enjoy it it's not good. The people they come for three weeks or two weeks in 60 degrees and never go outside the hotel. So when is the best moment? It's not a problem for players because they can be acclimatised and in hotels." Platini backed Qatar as hosts, saying that he had voted for them as it was important to take the game to another part of the world. In the same interview, the former France international defended the Fifa president, Sepp Blatter, who has come under for fire for recent comments about racism in the game. Platini described Blatter's suggestion that racism on the pitch could be settled with a handshake as "clumsy" but added: "He's not a racist."
Wow what a Euro fag You can't make a winter WC work, they will need several weeks before hand to train together, a month for the tourney then several weeks to recover before the season begins again. Thats at least a multimonth break right in the middle of the season.
Not sure if anything will come of this, but the FBI is now investigating the 2022 WC bid. Maybe the threat of the world's most infamous crime investigative unit will push people into action finally
FBI launches investigation into World Cup 'dirty tricks’ campaign Investigators from the FBI have interviewed members of England’s failed 2018 World Cup bid as part of an investigation by the American law-enforcement agency into alleged corruption, Telegraph Sport can reveal. Brought to book: David Beckham presents England's bid book for the 2018 World Cup to Sepp Blatter Photo: AFP By Claire Newell and Paul Kelso 7:00AM GMT 07 Dec 2011 52 Comments The interviews, conducted in the last month, are part of an FBI inquiry into allegations arising from the World Cup bidding process a year ago, and the Fifa presidential election in June. Investigators claim to have “really great intelligence” of malpractice and came to London last month to interview people present in Zurich at the time of the World Cup vote. It is understood that the FBI has “substantial evidence” of outside organisations attempting to hack the email accounts of the United States bid for the 2022 tournament, and believe the English bid may have also been affected. The FBI is understood to have asked England 2018 officials, who are not under suspicion, if they were aware of dirty tricks or corruption in the World Cup bidding campaign. The FBI is also understood to have asked questions relating to potential offences arising from the alleged bribery of Caribbean football officials by Mohammed Bin Hammam, who stood against Sepp Blatter for the Fifa presidency. Bin Hammam has been banned for life by Fifa after being found to have offered $40,000 (£25,000) bribes to Caribbean football officials three weeks before the election. It is suspected that the currency offered to the officials was transported through US borders, a potential offence if it was undeclared. Jack Warner, former Fifa vice president and president of the Caribbean Football Union, resigned from all football posts after an in initial Fifa inquiry report found “compelling” evidence that he conspired with Bin Hammam to make the payments. Last Friday was the first anniversary of the World Cup election, in which England were humiliated, receiving just one vote in addition to that of their own Fifa representative Geoff Thompson. The FBI’s interest in the World Cup election is thought to be linked to an ongoing investigation into payments made to Chuck Blazer, the Fifa executive committee member who first revealed the bribery allegations against Bin Hammam and Warner. In his role as general secretary of the Concacaf confederation Blazer received commission payments from Concacaf accounts totalling more than $500,000 (£320,000), some of which were linked to television contracts. Some of the money was paid into an account in the Cayman Islands, with the most recent payment of $250,000 (£160,000) made in March this year and paid into an account in the Bahamas. The payments were detailed in accounts and letters sent to the FBI by British journalist Andrew Jennings. In August Reuters reported that the payments were being reviewed by a New York-based FBI squad assigned to investigate “Eurasian organised crime”. Blazer has not denied receiving the payments but said at the time: “All of my transactions have been legally and properly done, in compliance with the various laws of the applicable jurisdictions based on the nature of the transaction.” The FBI’s investigation is proceeding with assistance from Fifa, whose head of security Chris Eaton is due to meet with them shortly in New York to discuss progress. Since the award of the 2018 and 2022 World Cup competitions to Russia and Qatar there have been numerous accusations of corruption. Even before the vote, in October last year, two of Fifa’s 24-man executive committee members were suspended after being exposed discussing selling their votes. As well as Blazer and Warner, a further 16 Caribbean football officials have been sanctioned for their involvement in the Trinidad bribes meeting. Another executive committee member, Worawi Makudi of Thailand, is also facing investigation by Fifa over allegations that money from Fifa’s GOAL development project was used to build facilities on land owned by him. Makudi, who travelled to the Trinidad meeting with Bin Hammam, says that he gifted the land to the Thai FA and that there has been no wrongdoing. He has sent documents clarifying the ownership situation to Fifa, which will review them before deciding whether he will face an investigation by Fifa’s ethics committee. Damian Collins, MP for Folkestone and Hythe and member of the culture, media and sport select committee, welcomed the FBI’s interest: “I think it’s good that government agencies which have responsibility for law enforcement take the allegations very seriously and are investigating them properly. “Fifa executives have to abide by international law and if they break those laws they should be investigated by any appropriate authority. It puts in stark comparison the arrogance of the Fifa committee who believe there is nothing to investigate at all and shows there are maybe lots of issues which should have been looked at more by Fifa themselves.” The corruption allegations have destroyed Fifa’s reputation and left Blatter scrambling to introduce a reform programme that salvages some credibility for the organisation he has led for the last 13 years. In October Blatter announced a reform programme but his plans have already begun to unravel. Last week Transparency International, the body that helped draw up the reforms, withdrew saying it no longer had faith in the independence of the process. And yesterday Blatter said he was postponing plans to publish Swiss court papers that detail bribes received by Fifa officials from the collapsed sports rights and marketing agency ISL. Fifa has been party to suppressing the documents since the court action against the officials, named by the BBC as former Fifa president Joao Havelange and executive committee members Ricardo Teixeira, was suspended last summer after they repaid more than £3 million in bribes. Blatter had planned to publish the documents following an executive committee meeting on Dec 17, but yesterday publication was delayed because of legal objections from one of the parties. “It was my strong will to make the ISL file fully transparent [on Dec 17]. I have now been advised that as a result of the objection of a third party to such transparency it will take more time to overcome the respective legal hurdles,” he said. “This does not change my stance at all. I remain fully committed to publishing the files as soon as possible as an important part of my many reform plans for Fifa, which include handling the past as well as preparing the future structure of the organisation.”
As young soccer fans (excluding myself and Chilean), I feel bad for everyone that has had to see the worst World Cups in history... 2002 and 2010 are already arguably the worst ever, 2022 will be without a doubt the worst ever...
Pretty sure it is an investigation of the US bid/votes being tainted, so they are looking into the whole thing now. Which I believe they have authority to do so.
fuck yeah fbi it's actually comedic how corrupt Fifa and the rest of the countries who placed bids/votes are...admittedly i don't follow as much as Taques, Snow, or many other on this board but it's SO fucking obvious...i mean Qatar, really? lol
10 wasn't too bad other then the shit location and fan support. It was kind of cool seeing it in Africa? US got screwed by the refs a couple times but that was just shitty reffing not anything currupt. 02 was currupt as hell with them trying to get all the asian teams to advance as far as possible. 06 was all around awesome other then the US completely shitting the bed
At it again with this baloney......... http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/26/sport/football/qatar-fifa-2022-football/index.html?hpt=hp_t3 Spoiler Qatar spells out 2022 World Cup position By Tom McGowan, CNN updated 4:42 AM EDT, Thu September 27, 2012 Qatar was awarded the 2022 FIFA World Cup after a vote in December 2010. STORY HIGHLIGHTS Qatar World Cup 2022 organizers open to hosting the tournament in winter The quadrennial competition is traditionally hosted in June and July UEFA chief Michel Platini has already signalled he would prefer a November tournament The decision to award Qatar the competition has been source of controversy for two years (CNN)-- Organizers of the 2022 FIFA World Cup in Qatar would be willing to host the tournament in winter if there was sufficient demand from the global football community. The quadrennial tournament is usually hosted in June and July -- during European soccer's offseason -- but there are concerns over the oppressive heat in Qatar in those months, though a switch to December or January would cause disruption to a number of major domestic leagues. "Our position hasn't changed," a Qatar 2022 Supreme Committee spokesman told CNN. "We've always reiterated that we entered the bidding race with the intention of hosting in the summer and are continuing with our plans to deliver a World Cup in the summer unless there is a unified consensus among the international football community for alternative plans." A potential switch has been a topic of discussion since Qatar was awarded the World Cup by world governing body FIFA in December 2010. Michel Platini, the head of European governing body UEFA, told British newspaper the London Evening Standard he hoped the 2022 competition would be staged across November and December. "We have to go to Qatar when it is good for everybody to participate. What is better for the fans?" said the UEFA president. "In 10 years we can manage to decide how we can postpone the season for one month. January is difficult for the World Cup because you have the Winter Olympic Games. "If we stop from 2 November to 20 December it means, instead of finishing in May, we stop in June. It is not a big problem. It is for the good of the World Cup, the most important competition in the world." Read: Wembley could host Euro 2020 final Frenchman Platini voted for the tournament to be played in Qatar on the grounds it would take the World Cup to a region it had never been to before. "I voted for Qatar because it was time to go to a country in that part of the world," said Platini. "They bid five times." The former Juventus player, who was European Footballer of the Year in 1984, also denied he had elected to back Qatar after being asked to do so by French president Nicolas Sarkozy. "One day I was invited to dinner by Sarkozy where there was the prime minister of Qatar," said Platini. "Mr Sarkozy never asked me during the dinner to vote for Qatar. They invited me to the dinner but they know I will be independent, that I will vote for who I want." The decision to award Qatar football's biggest event has been surrounded by controversy, particularly over the world governing body's decision to decide the fate of both the 2018 and 2022 hosts at the same time with the suggestion it encouraged voting collusion between bids -- an accusation FIFA has denied. FIFA itself has been plagued by allegations of corruption and bribery. Concerns were also raised for gay fans planning on attending the tournament as homosexuality is illegal in Qatar, with FIFA president Sepp Blatter criticized for suggesting homosexual fans should refrain from sexual activity while visiting the country.
France Football magazine did a 15-page report. That fag Platini was going to vote for the U.S. but then told Qatar if you bought out PSG, he'll vote for Qatar. http://www.socceramerica.com/article/50138/qatargate-doubts-over-qatar-2022-linger.html