I kind of feel like if you assume everyone has a gun and you're constantly in fear of being killed you don't have the make up/constitution for police work. I'm not saying it's easy, but risk is an inherent element of the job. Kind of reminds me of all the dipshits who joined the military pre 9/11 and were shocked they might have to go to "war"... like they thought they joined a gun camp that paid for college. Attempting to mitigate all possible risk by essentially rationalizing/justifying a shoot first or maybe, possibly, potentially, but not maybe, potentially, possibly be shot first policy is pretty lame. There should be higher standard for "fearing for one's life" when a lot of people with guns are giant pussies by nature.
The unbending and unquestionable loyalty many departments have between officers is one of the biggest problems with the police in this country I don't understand how you can have incidents like this and chiefs can just be like, "nah, they're cool." Even if they are taken off the streets, it seems like most of the time corrupt individuals basically get paid vacation.
Police officer shoots man to death in Cincinnati traffic stop (CNN)Cincinnati police are investigating the fatal shooting of an apparently unarmed black man by a University of Cincinnati police officerafter a confrontation during a traffic stop Sunday. The dead man, who was shot in the head, was Samuel Dubose, a 43-year-old father of 13 children, according toCNN affiliate WKRC-TV. A CNN records search showed that Dubose had more than 60 arrests. Authorities identified the officer as Ray Tensing, who has five years' experience in law enforcement and who has worked for the University of Cincinnati Police Department for more than a year. He is white. According to Cincinnati police, which is handling the investigation, Tensing saw Dubose driving without a front license plate around 6:30 Sunday evening and tried to pull him over. Police said Dubose continued for about a mile before stopping the car. A struggle ensued Tensing asked several times to see Dubose's driver's license, Cincinnati police said. Instead, police said, Dubose handed the officer a bottle of alcohol. According to police, Tensing asked Dubose to step out of the car, at which point a struggle ensued. "There was a struggle at the door with Mr. Dubose in the vehicle and the officer outside the vehicle, and the vehicle sped away," Cincinnati police Lt. Col. James Whalen told reporters. Police said Dubose then stuck his key back in the ignition and sped away as Tensing fired a single shot, hitting the driver in the head. Tensing fell to the ground as he fired the shot, bruising his legs and tearing his uniform, Cincinnati police said. It appeared that Dubose did not have a weapon, according to police. Dubose's mother, Audrey, said her son was "full of love," CNN affiliate WLWT-TV reported. "Know that my son was not a violent person," she said. "My son ... he got stopped a lot but he never tried to fight." Dubose's son, Samuel, told WKRC, "He was coming home that night and we had a projector so we were going to watch a movie on it but we didn't get to do that ... because he died." The officer has been placed on administrative leave with pay. He has not yet been interviewed, nor have two other officers who arrived on the scene, as they are allowed 24 to 48 hours to work with their attorneys first. Tensing was wearing a body camera, police said. They also said they have received surveillance video from nearby buildings but have yet to view it. No dashboard camera video is available, police said. Jason Goodrich, public safety director and police chief at the University of Cincinnati, said a mutual aid agreement allows university officers to function as officers outside campus grounds. http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/21/us/cincinnati-police-shooting/index.html
I guess the body cam and other surveillance footage will give a better picture of what happened. Glad the officer was wearing one. Will likely be able to help justify his case for using lethal force or will be vital evidence in holding him responsible for his actions.
I think it's considered poor form to put "driving while black" as the reason for the stop on the official report.
13 fucking kids, I bet the guy had an arrest warrant for back child support, hence the refusal to hand over the license.
siap...they released the Sandra Bland video: http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/newly-released-dashcam-video-shows-sandra-bland-arrest-n396191
Wow. And she was dead three days later of an alleged suicide. Regardless of what caused her death, there was no reason for the cop to escalate the situation other than he felt disrespected that she didn't wanna put her cigarette out and he couldn't shrug it off like a grown ass man in his line of work should.
NCFOM “Somewhere out there is a true and living prophet of destruction and I dont want to confront him. I know he's real. I have seen his work. I walked in front of those eyes once. I wont do it again. I wont push my chips forward and stand up and go out to meet him. It aint just bein older. I wish that it was. I cant say that it's even what you are willin to do. Because I always knew that you had to be willin to die to even do this job. That was always true. Not to sound glorious about it or nothin but you do. If you aint they'll know it. They'll see it in a heartbeat. I think it is more like what you are willin to become. And I think a man would have to put his soul at hazard. And I wont do that.”
So in essence this woman is dead because she wouldn't put out her cigarette? It seemed like he ran her info and she had nothing (I assume this because he was just giving her a warning) does he have the right to make her get out of her vehicle? Can a cop just say fuck it I don't like you so let me arrest you for the fuck of it?
I got pulled over today by a cop, but was let go with a warning. Being white certainly has its advantages.
This is a prime example of one of the biggest things most police officers do wrong that can escalate situations. This whole attitude of "I can do whatever I want and you're not gonna ask me any questions" is bullshit. I still think that common sense and courtesy by civilians would eliminate a lot of these problems, but the same is even more true for these officers.
This morning there was a wreck outside my neighborhood, but as I pull up to the neighborhood exit, all I see are 2 cops standing in the middle of the road and flashing lights everywhere (the car had flipped in a ditch). Not knowing what's going on, I pull up to the stop sign with my window down to ask if I can go around and before I even get the question out, the cop comes at me with "is your turn signal broken????" Actually, no asshole. You and your partner are standing in the middle of the road on the yellow line blocking my right turn, so I was assuming I shouldn't just take the turn and hope you get out of the way. Nothing else happened and I went on my way, but my point is that I can see how cops being smart or assholes for no reason can lead to reactions from people which then lead to escalating the situation.
Our campus police have jurisdiction off campus as well. You can't really drive through campus. They patrol the surrounding areas
He asked her a question she answered his question. He didn't like the answer, that's his problem, part of his job is to deescalate these situations. The cigarette was in the ash tray, she put it there when she was stopped.
No, it's not. He asked why was she upset, she answered his question. According to his account to started "MF this, MF that", at no point did that occur, but he knew if he stated what actually happened he would be screwed and ridiculed. The officer should've conducted his job within his department's guidelines and this would've never happened. This women was arrested for assaulting a police officer, please explain to me what she did to get arrested for assaulting a police officer? Also, what about that cigarette is it wrong to have a cigarette in the ash tray of your car?
But only the cop gets the "should have acted differently" treatment. Was he an asshole? Yes. But everything that occurs after he says you are under arrest, which he clearly says before she exits the car, is resisting arrest. Respect is a 2 way street, if she would have shown some he would have given some; and vice versa.
He acted outside of his department's protocol and guidelines, there is no law against being a jerk to police officer and it's not as simple as saying you're under arrest and everything he said must be followed from that point on. There has to be some basis for arresting someone this cop was making it up as he went along and he got called out for it on the scene. Unfortunately for him his stupidity is now under review and on display for the world to see.
1. I applaud the officer for pulling someone over for failure to signal. That shit is infuriating and everyone who does not signal needs to get a fucking ticket. 2. He may have taken it a little far {sarcasm font}. It looked like he was asking for a confrontation, and he got what he wanted. I'm curious what the legalities of the situation are. Was she required to put her cigarette out? Was she required to get out of the car?
Can you detail the protocol and guidelines he didn't follow? Seems like you're trying to argue he didn't have to right to order her to exit the vehicle.
These are important things to know. The protocol and guidelines are needed. Most municipalities have mandated that cops can not smoke in their cars anymore as it may cause someone else to have to smell it. Is the cop required to just stand there and inhale her fumes while he chastises her, even if just a warning, for violating a moving vehicle statute? Is he allowed to enforce the putting out of a cigarette? Once she refuses to put out the cigarette, is he allowed to relocate the conversation so he doesn't have to smell the smoke? Again, this guy was an asshole, but this chick broke the law and was belligerent at being pulled over at all.
This is also a very gray part of the law IMO because cop are allowed to lie to you. You need to know your rights and what they can and cannot legally force you to do. I've said before, things like consent to search your car, cops will frame the "question" in such a way that is doesn't sound like a question. Or I think they can even say - if you don't let me look in your car you are going to jail! (which is not true, not letting someone search your car cannot be cause to go to jail, but they will still say it). If you stick to your guns and tell them they cannot search the car, they cannot search it. So.....was he legally allowed to do everything he did? And if not, is her reaction to an illegal action considered illegal?? If she does not have to get out of the car, and he gives her an order to get out of the car, is she breaking the law?
And another thought that came to me. If she was pulled over for not signalling, was arrested for (I'm assuming here) resisting arrest (of which the officer was called out for his stupidity at the scene), can someone please tell me why in the fuck she would still be in jail 3 days later? I get that it is a weekend, but does everyone that is arrested on a Friday spend 3 fucking days in Jail? Seriously, I suffer from White Privilege and don't know how Friday arrests work.
She is required to get out of the car once he orders her to get out. Her failure to exit would be breaking the law.
Show me law that makes it illegal to hurt a police officer's feeling and than we can agree. If this officer would've changed the warning to a ticket for her refusal to comply, I actually would've applaud him, but he decided to arrest her for not putting out a cigarette? You're alright with that?
And what would the arresting officer have to do with a death that occurred 3 days later. Surely he had relinquished custody on Friday, and would probably not have even seen her after completing the paperwork at the jailhouse right?
This is also an area that can be easily manipulated, I think. Cops are not always gentle when they cuff and drag people around. It's pretty difficult for any person to be legitimately hurt and not have *some* reaction. At that point whatever the reaction is can be "resisting arrest". I'm going to pick you up by your pinkie finger, or twist your wrist around, or whatever, and if you pull away, boom, resisting arrest! And god forbid your reaction is to push away or take a very natural reaction to being hurt and actually make contact with the cop, now it's assault.
I didn't see an assault, when he described the "assault" to his supervisor it did not match what was recorded on the dash cam. From the conversation he had with his supervisor he had to sell this assault to the supervisor.
I don't know that this is the case. By your theory, if I am driving around in my car, not breaking any laws. Not speeding. Doing absolutely nothing wrong, and a cop pulls behind me and lights up the lights (basically telling me to pull over) and since I know I have done nothing wrong I do not have to comply? He can be in the wrong, but you not listening to what he says, seems to me could easily get you in hot water. In this case, he still has the opportunity to further discuss her moving violations. Does it have to be done with her cigarette smoke billowing out of the car at him, or can he have her step to the back of the car to complete the warning or ticket? Also, as I have stated, I have a hard time faulting this cop with her death, 3 fucking days later.
He's doesn't have anything to do with her death, but someone dying while in custody has to be investigated from beginning to end.
According to Texas State Senator he did not have the right to do so. Hell his own department's finding states he violated their guidelines and protocols.
At what point? Please provide the guidelines and protocols or we should probably stop referencing them. We could also begin at the first "guideline and protocol" not followed. You know, changing lanes without signaling. I think that is the first one mentioned in this case. Timeline: 1. Bland changes lanes without signaling in full view of the officer. 2. Officer pulls over Bland and tells her to put out her cig. 3. Bland refuses cigarette order, Officer tells her ok, step out of the car, and move to the rear of the vehicle. 4. Bland refuses. Officer opens the door and advises her of her under arrest status. 5. Some hands are placed, but Bland eventually exits vehicle mostly on her own. Then goes out of view to a seeming scuffle. Removing the poor attitudes that both individuals exuded, who is at fault in the above timeline?
He does have the right to order her out of the car, but he failed to explained why he was ordering her out of the car. The DPS has only stated that there have been violations, they have not outlined them.