2024 MLB Thread - Permitted to Talk Baseball Now That Mother's Day is Over

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  1. fucktx

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    matt sorry

    but aroldis is a great reliever in more low leverage situations nowadays than high leverage. He scared the shit out of me in any big games
     
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  2. fucktx

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    tbf you’re not really wrong about this for Matt either
     
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  3. bro

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    Aroldis is getting short term deals for the rest of his career. no one wants to be locked into him for more than a year, maybe with a club option
     
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  4. Charles DeMar

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    This all makes much more sense to me now, ha. I was really confused there for a moment, I think trying to follow the Harbaugh/Michigan cheating thread is making me temporarily insane ;)
     
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  5. fucktx

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    I really hate that the only team I’ve seen Hader projected to is the Rangers. Paying huge money to a reliever will never sit right with me.
     
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  6. i am a bammer

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    But it's a great 56.1 innings
     
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  7. RoderickJaynes

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    This is from the same mlbtraderumors list
     
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  8. WillySaliba

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    Especially that cunt.
     
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  9. fucktx

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    Yep

    Pay the racist reliever or re-sign the awesome starter that helped them win the WS? Easy decision to me. Unless they do both, then I’ll be fairly indifferent on.
     
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  10. Charles DeMar

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  11. MG2

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    Cutting edge stuff

     
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  12. fucktx

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    Aaron Boone learns what small ball is in 2023. More at 10.
     
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  13. i am a bammer

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    Came here to post this haha. Boone watched the world series and said "they're on some other shit :lovelove:"
     
  14. MG2

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    I honestly don't think this has anything to do with Boone. I think this is Hal listening to the idiots in his fan base and media projecting this on to his manager because there's a significant segment of those groups who truly believe that the fall of the Yankees is because "too much analytics".
     
  15. Tobias

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    devine lets gooooo
     
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  16. dblplay1212

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    Yea that article that came out late in the season where a former minor leaguer or some shit talked about how the Yankees coached toward analytics was taken as the freaking Bible by those people. Anything remotely considered analytics is bad. Data is bad.
     
  17. fucktx

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    People wonder why everyone hates baseball. It’s because of these unwritten rule losers trying to police kids now. Not that Jeff Frye’s bum ass really matters though. Guy got cooked in his comments.

     
  18. i am a bammer

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    Imagine getting mad at how 12 year olds play baseball
     
  19. Tex

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    [​IMG]
     
  20. Tobias

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    that child belongs in prison. abhorrent behavior
     
  21. fucktx

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    Stupid fucking kid! Can’t have fun playing sports!
     
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  22. ashy larry

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    broke: school to prison pipeline
    woke: sandlot to prison pipeline
     
  23. dblplay1212

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    I expected the kid to chuck the bat over the batters eye while doing cartwheels around the bases with his own rap song playing over the pa system.

    He's mad about THAT?
     
  24. fucktx

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    Cashman made himself look dumb as shit today lol
     
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  25. dblplay1212

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    What now?
     
  26. ohhaithur

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    Bragging about his lack of analytics as some sorta "gotcha"
     
  27. fsugrad99

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    Don’t you dare accuse us of basing decisions on facts
     
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  28. fucktx

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    lmao
     
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  29. Jake Barnes

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    Clint Eastwood is sitting somewhere nodding approval at this.
     
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  30. dblplay1212

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    Just caught up on the Cashman interview. Good lord that was awful. Time for the old head to go.
     
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  31. MG2

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    I like that right before he started on the analytics, he turned to the right to likely make sure one of the people who was writing that was paying attention and heard everything he was about to say.
     
  32. Charles DeMar

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    Thought this was interesting



    Baseball conflicted in aftermath of Craig Counsell’s ‘managerial Hunger Games’
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    SCOTTSDALE, Ariz. — As soon as reports of Craig Counsell’s surprise destination circulated online, one National League executive, unprompted, texted a reporter two exploding head emojis along with three letters: WTF. When asked to elaborate, the executive explained, “It’s a lot to digest. I am not sure what’s more shocking — where he landed or how much he got.”

    Counsell became the highest-paid manager in baseball on Monday, when word emerged that he’d be the next Cubs skipper. This was particularly notable because the club already employed a manager in David Ross. Now Ross is out of a job and Counsell has a new five-year, $40 million deal, the end result of an unexpected development that sent shockwaves throughout the industry.

    Almost no one knew about Chicago’s secret courting of Counsell, who had been linked to multiple teams with managerial vacancies. The Athletic spoke to nearly a dozen people around the game, granting anonymity as needed so that employees of other organizations could speak freely, in order to survey the ripple effect that Counsell’s decision might have on managerial jobs and baseball as a whole.

    “About time managers get paid what they’re worth,” one current big-league manager said. “(Having) no coaches union has hurt this part of our game for years. Hate it for Rossy, but love what Craig did for the industry.”

    A former manager told The Athletic that he had once been in the same position as Counsell: offered a job that was currently occupied by someone else. He declined it because “it just felt wrong” and wonders why the “brotherhood” of managing seems to have gone by the wayside. This former manager said he is a fan of Counsell, though he doesn’t know him well, but pointed out that the new Cubs skipper hasn’t won a World Series and thought the hysteria and bidding war surrounding him was a bit much.

    “(Bruce) Bochy? Now if it was Bochy I’d understand,” he said of the reigning World Series champion Texas Rangers manager.

    When The Athletic’s Ken Rosenthal reported that Counsell would manage in 2024, but it would be for a team without a known opening, the Rangers were a common guess in the industry as his landing spot, with the assumption that Bochy was retiring and that Counsell was his replacement. Then the rest of the story came tumbling out: Per Rosenthal, Counsell was headed to the North Side.

    “I was a little like ‘whoa.’ Not surprised because there’s been managers that have made that much. But still, the way it happened,” said Astros general manager Dana Brown, who had interest in Counsell for the Astros’ open position due to Dusty Baker’s retirement. “It was quick. Kind of out of nowhere. But I’m happy for him. He’s been a lifer in the game and he’s done some wonderful things.”

    Said another former skipper: “Craig Counsell is an elite manager. Look at his record in one-run games. Look at his record compared to projections year after year. He deserves to be paid.”

    Some in the game believe Counsell’s deal will help drive up salaries for other skippers in the future: “a bigger piece of the pie,” as one agent put it.

    “The truth is, no one will ever realize their maximum value until or unless you’re willing to be a free agent,” Dodgers manager Dave Roberts said. “That’s just the fact of the matter. Counsell was willing to do that. Players do it every year. It shouldn’t be looked at as taboo for a manager to exercise his right to become a free agent. I think the industry has sort of frowned upon that and I give Counsell a lot of credit and respect for talking through it with his family and being willing to do that.”

    Others were skeptical that it would make any meaningful change.

    “Look at what the Mets just paid (Carlos) Mendoza,” said an American League exec of the Mets new skipper, who is making $4.5 million total for three years, much less than Counsell. And, even if it’s ultimately a good thing for manager salaries, some questioned the ethics of the Cubs waiting to dismiss Ross until Counsell had agreed to take the job.

    “The reason manager and coaches’ salaries don’t move much is because someone is always willing to take your job,” a current member of a major-league coaching staff said. “If I had fought for another 40K or another year they wouldn’t have renewed me as a coach. I don’t know how much front offices really value (the contributions). I don’t think Counsell changes that much because look at what the Mets just did.

    “I think the only time it would really change is if people really roll the dice and say, ‘I think I’m worth more than that,’ and take the risk. But there’s always someone willing to take your job. We really need to unionize, but look at how long it took the minor-league players to form a union. It’s still a culture of ‘be glad you have a job.’”

    It’s the “managerial Hunger Games,” a former manager joked before pointing out some history. The scheme from Cubs president Jed Hoyer took a page from former executive Theo Epstein, who hired Joe Maddon to take Rick Renteria’s place after the 2014 season. (Renteria’s contract was terminated a week after Maddon opted out of his deal with the Tampa Bay Rays.)

    “It’s in their playbook,” said a former manager. “I’m glad Counsell came out and said the bar needs to be set higher for manager salary, but I’m not sure I would have taken a job where there was a manager already in place.”

    Are the optics really that bad? Hoyer told reporters at the GM meetings his job is to win as many games as possible “in the short term and long term” and there was “nothing about this move” to get Counsell that didn’t meet that criteria.

    In that vein, Ross was just a casualty in an industry often mercilessly seeking an edge.

    “If you take away the emotional aspect of it and look at it from a pure business standpoint, it happens in every company,” said another current manager, who thinks Counsell’s deal will be good for the other 29 teams. “Baseball is entertainment, but it’s a business and these transitions take place frequently (in business). In our industry, it’s looked at as taboo.”

    The same manager believes that the Cubs were ultimately doing Ross a disservice by publicly saying he was their guy — and then privately trying to upgrade.

    “If I’m in an organization that doesn’t value me I don’t want to be there,” the manager said. “To me, the intimacy of those relationships (between a front office and manager) are what we are looking for. My bosses provide that in making me feel valued and thankful for the work I’m putting in.”

    Even Counsell’s former boss was surprised.

    “I didn’t see that coming,” said Mets’ president of baseball operations David Stearns, who was with Counsell in Milwaukee. “Craig can play things pretty close to the vest. In this case, clearly he played it very close to the vest, because none of us had any idea of where this was headed.”
     
  33. steamengine

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    No chance that kid is making the show if he’s already bat flipping at 12. Zero discipline.
     
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  34. dblplay1212

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    This is so stupid:

    A former manager told The Athletic that he had once been in the same position as Counsell: offered a job that was currently occupied by someone else. He declined it because “it just felt wrong” and wonders why the “brotherhood” of managing seems to have gone by the wayside.

    Imagine a player turning down an offer and saying "Well y'all already have a player at my position so my player brotherhood won't let me take his job."
     
  35. bro

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  36. dblplay1212

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    We're in ruins. :facepalm:

     
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  37. dblplay1212

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  38. CF3234

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    I expected the baseball version of that video of a bunch of 9 year olds over celebrating after every basket. That was a single bat flip. Get lost loser.
     
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  39. i am a bammer

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    RBI? It's worse than I thought
     
  40. texasraider

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    I look forward to Judge sac bunts
     
  41. fucktx

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    Sounds like the Yankees are about to trade every asset they’ve ever had for Soto based on that
     
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  42. fsugrad99

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    I want this for every home run.

    Mid-August game between two losing teams, someone hits a dinger to make it an 8-1 game. You best carry that bat all the way to first.
     
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  43. bro

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    I hate this guy

     
  44. dblplay1212

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    Cashman getting lit up for yesterday lol

    https://www.si.com/mlb/2023/11/08/yankees-brian-cashman-media-meeting

    - The 2023 season was the first time during Cashman’s tenure that he finally felt some heat, yet he decided to go on the offensive and defend a front office and process that has produced nothing for nearly 15 years. This is a team that has not developed ONE legitimate No. 1 or No. 2 starting pitcher in Cashman’s entire tenure. Actually, they developed Jordan Montgomery but then traded him to the Cardinals for Harrison Bader, who ended up getting placed on waivers by the Yankees.

    - It would also be helpful if Cashman read the room a little bit. The last thing any Yankees fan wanted to hear Tuesday was Cashman actually trying to pat himself on the back for acquiring Gallo.

    Here was what Gallo did for the Yankees in 2022 before being released: 82 games, .159 batting average, 106 strikeouts, 12 home runs, 24 RBIs.

    And Cashman is trying to spin the narrative that he made a good move in acquiring Gallo? Mind-boggling.
     
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  45. MG2

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    Not as much as Tigers fans hate him
     
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  46. i am a bammer

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  47. Baron

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  48. Charles DeMar

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    Congrats to our Angels posters



     
  49. Charles DeMar

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