The Arkansas Razorbacks: All aboard the Muss Bus

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  1. Andy Reocho

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    There's no fun in that, that's your time to shine.
     
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  2. bertwing

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    I wish I would’ve had a kid that was a good prospect so I could have gotten fucked up with Coach B during an OV
     
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  3. Prospector

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    he got fucked up in Little Rock and in public
     
  4. bertwing

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    Sorry for partying
     
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  5. infected donkey

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    I’ve been fucked up with him a lot at bens apartment.
     
  6. infected donkey

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    And all the other coaches at the time.
     
  7. THF

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    Its hilarious how many stories I hear about this type of shit, yet Ned Yocho continues to argue it was WAY overblown.

    The issue I have is while Bret was out getting fucked up, whether it was once in a while, or fairly frequently, that was time not spent coaching and watching film, or recruiting. Mostly not recruiting. Chad may fuck up his QB every year, but at least the guy is out there recruiting his ass off to get kids to Arkansas instead of sitting at Bens getting fucked up.

    Arkansas isn't a school you can coast to a top 10 class. You have to bust your ass to get a top 25 class. He was coasting all while we were paying for it.
     
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  8. Hogview

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    Hell, I've gotten fucked up with him 3-4 times
     
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  9. infected donkey

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    I never say enos there.
     
  10. infected donkey

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    In my random appearances there.
     
  11. Andy Reocho

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    What I have always said was the drinking wasn’t happening during recruiting weekends like some stories out there claim. I have never said the guy didn’t get fucked up
     
  12. THF

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    You do realize that when Recruiting in the SEC, EVERY weekend is a recruiting weekend. You don't take weekends off from recruiting when you are at a school at Arkansas. You may not have kids on campus, but damn, you should be working on finding kids and reaching out.

    This isn't working a part time job. This is a job we are paying 3.2 million a year. This isn't a 9-5 job

    That might cut it at Tulsa, but this is the fucking SEC.
     
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  13. bertwing

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    *during your tenure at Arkansas

    Only notable one was the Solomon Thomas one.

    Other fucked up story was the KJ Hill/Ash saga
     
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  14. bertwing

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    Not sure why this was necessary

    Ned has provided more info to us directly or indirectly on here and elsewhere, and worked for and with Bielema, who is a good dude but not a great coach for Arkansas. If you knew him on a personal level you wouldn’t carry around that much hatred for him. Move the fuck on
     
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  15. Andy Reocho

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    Dude you have no clue what you’re talking about. You can talk about all this, but I know in the last 3-4 years of his time in Fayetteville, all these stupid stories and reasons you guys throw at Bielema are all fanatical bullshit you guys have convinced yourselves of.

    Have a good time, I’m not wasting any more time with this conversation.
     
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  16. Gallant Knight

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    I am actually ok with my coach not working 24 hours every day

    Bert didn’t work out because his best assistant left for better jobs, he replaced them with inferior people, and he didn’t realize the level he needed to recruit at to win in the SEC

    Him having fun during non work hours is way down the list of problems
     
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  17. Andy Reocho

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    100% this
     
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  18. THF

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    Look that wasn't a shot at anyone, its simply a fact. Recruiting at Tulsa is COMPLETELY different than the SEC. Coaches don't have to invest the time and energy into recruiting at Tulsa/SMU/UNT etc that they need to at Arkansas.

    Ned worked for Bert and then went to Tulsa. He sees taking a low effort approach to recruiting as acceptable. I do not. I was simply saying if he sees no issue getting fucked up on the regular while other schools are beating our asses in recruiting, maybe its because of his perspective. He has defended Bret's actions time and time again, claiming Bret is a better coach, supporting Long, etc.

    He comes in here and talks shit about how dumb the Slaw fans here are expecting more than what Bret delivered. Well honestly, the reason this team got its shit pushed in last year was a LACK OF TALENT. That is on Bret. That is because of his bullshit approach to recruiting and offering kids who never should have been offered, and ignoring kids who were dying to come. He sees Bret's approach as acceptable. Point was simple. It wasn't acceptable.

    Fuck anyone who wants to defend that piece of shit.
     
  19. THF

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    Bret didn't work out because he didn't work hard enough to meet the level required to win in the SEC. Its that simple. You can blame his assistants all you want, but you don't blame Craddock, Traylor, Lunney, and other assistants for the 2-10 shit show MORRIS put up last year. You blame Morris. Plain and simple. I blame Bret.
     
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  20. Andy Reocho

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    You’re a sad mother fucker to try attack me for taking a promotion and then say that I don’t understand how shit works. You’re a keyboard warrior without a realistic perspective, because you witnessed someone win at a spot before you think it can easily be done again.

    You’re also an ignorant asshole if all you have taken from my posting is me defending Bret. You notice how me and bertwing never debate shit, maybe it’s because he’s the only one with a brain full of realistic expectation.

    You are a group of dumb mother fuckers because you can’t grasp other people’s views. Grow the fuck up and learn how to read, it’d help your ability to understand and converse
     
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  21. Gallant Knight

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    I 100% blame Morris for hiring terrible assistants. The only ones I would want to be retained are Lunney, Stepp and Caldwell

    Everyone else is not an upper level SEC assistant
     
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  23. infected donkey

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    Last year we we're devoid of talent and all of us are searching for a someone to blame. Fair and square, Morris had shit to work with and is performing a FUCK SUBSTANTIAL CHANGE IN PHILOSOPHY. That doesn't happen over night. If you think It does then look at TED Airlines. No buy in from the lower level = no success. Hence why we've had an absurd amount of transfers this past year and turns our none of them can win their respective starting jobs.
     
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  24. infected donkey

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  25. THF

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    Lol you are being such a bitch.

    I never once attacked you or even took a shot at you. I compared the competitive environment related to recruiting comparing Tulsa recruiting to SEC recruiting.

    You have to be an absolute fucking window licking moron to think those two situations are remotely similar.

    Tulsa competes with other Conference USA schools for talent. We are competing against LSU, Bama, Georgia, etc.

    I never once took a shot at you. But you are a straight up bitch for getting upset and being too fucking stupid to understand what I was saying. Funny talking about lack of reading comprehension while totally missing the point.

    You are emotionally invested in Bret which has hurt your ability to see things rationally.

    Lastly get the fuck out of our team thread if you want to be such a bitch. You still don’t get it. It’s NOT easy to win at Slaw. You seem to think Bret’s low effort bullshit would have gotten it done. I disagree. It wasn’t going to get it done. He coasted and stole his salary for us and left us MUCH worse than where we were when he came.

    Maybe one day you will grow the fuck up to realize it.
     
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  26. devine

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    I’m here for this
     
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  27. Prospector

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    GTFO weirdo
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  28. clemsontyger04

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    That's where his lack of ties hurts him tremendously. Fry is a lower level ol coach. Craddock was an analyst at Clemson. Both were before leaving for SMU. He scrapped the bottom of barrel and Dabo made sure he didnt take anything worthwhile out the door other than the message
     
  29. devine

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    Bert sucks as a coach and he’s friends with Ned. The argument is pointless. Arkansas fans are gonna say he’s good and Ned won’t say he’s bad
     
  30. bturns

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    Wait, when the fuck did I solely blame Bret for that one? And two, he was here during his real recruitment, you know, the 6 years we had to put up with his bullshit failure at coaching here...

    He may be a good guy, but he fucked us and I wouldn’t piss on him if he was on fire next to me. Fuck Bret.

    Funny part is, I’ve been relatively quiet about Bret since he was fired other than I don’t care for him and still think he’s to blame for 90% of what is wrong at Arkansas now. You are the one that keeps defending him when HE ISN'T YOUR BOSS ANYMORE and YOU AREN’T EVEN AN ARKANSAS FAN. So Move the fuck on and go cheer for your new team. Maybe you can defend your current boss about losing to a 2-10 Arkansas team coached by Chad assembled by your old boss Bret ...



    #micdrop
     
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  31. bertwing

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    Some of y’all need to hit the showers

    I leave for a couple hours and you guys decide to throw shit all over the walls
     
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  32. Prospector

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    There was truth on this page. There was hyperbole on this page.
    #goodpeopleonbothsides
     
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  33. infected donkey

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    Poop happens.
     
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  34. THF

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    I am no scientific rocket, but if I went over to the Tennessee Volunteers thread and told everyone there how much Butch was misunderstood and the issues he was blamed for were all overblown and exaggerated, and then told them they were all idiots for not realizing what I said was true.... Then told them Pruitt was a much worse coach than Butch.

    Well I wouldn’t be surprised if I wasn’t welcomed kindly. I might even expect to be told to go fuck myself.

    But you know, stories of Brets incredible work ethic, or his incredible eye for talent aren’t coming out these days.

    So maybe we aren’t the ones who were wrong? How about that?
     
  35. Nostradumass

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    Well this shit won't buff out
     
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  36. bertwing

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    Listen dipshit...

    The excessive drinking during recruiting visits happened before Ned’s tenure at Arkansas during the Solomon Thomas class. So yeah he had reason to doubt it when our dumbass fanbase thinks they know everything because some Hogville idiots spread misinformation. He didn’t do it during official weekends after making that mistake. He did let loose quite a bit on non recruiting weekends (dead periods) when you CANT RECRUIT because the NCAA says to leave the fucking kids alone.

    Bert still got several underrated guys drafted who are still big time players in the NFL. His last few assistant hires and the Pittman meltdown did him in. Hes a good dude and produced some solid seasons and amazing games. He had one solid in state class during his tenure and didn’t push for the Texas guys as much, and spent too much time with the Florida shitheads because of Partridge, Shannon, and his success that he had at Wisconsin landing some of those guys.

    You should probably cool it on pretending you know what all was going on.
     
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  37. Gallant Knight

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    My take on the Bert tenure was that he just didn’t have it to win in the SEC. He won some fun games-that Texas win in the bowl game was a ton of fun. But it just wasn’t going to work long term

    Shitting on him for drinking when he wasn’t working is bullshit. Everyone knows how drunk I got drinking the ole miss game and I can confidently say it has affected my work life 0%.

    I think bert is a good dude and if I saw him today I would probably shake his hand and say go hogs and good luck going forward

    And I know I shit on chad constantly but I don’t think he is a bad person. Wanting a coach to be fired with a $10m buyout is a lot different than wanting a regular person to be fired
     
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    Can’t chase ambulances too well with them lovehandle bruises bruh
     
  39. Gallant Knight

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    Oh I’m sneaky fast I chase them just fine
     
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  40. Nostradumass

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    I have no real animosity toward Bret. He got lazy after he had a kid. That's my theory.

    I have no animosity toward Chad either. I'm willing to give him a chance to see if he can fulfill his promises. If not I'll want him gone but it won't be acrimonious.

    The only coach I have personal animosity toward is Nutt. And that's because he was an assclown who let his ego keep us from being a great team in the 2000s, running off Joe Ferguson, failing to develop a QB, the Gus/Mustain drama which wasn't all on him but certainly was 50% on him.

    I wish Nutt had taken the Nebraska job in 04 so that Frank would've hired Butch Davis. I'm still bitter over that.
     
  41. bertwing

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    I hate Petrino and always will. He’s a fucking cocksucker that lucked into a loaded class and didn’t do SHIT on the recruiting trail after those first two years and his last class coupled with the John L Smith disaster buried our program. Bielema helped dig it out a bit, but could only do so much with his system in this conference and trying to do things by the book. It just wasn’t a good fit.

    Nutt was a fucking bum, but I’m gonna lean recency bias on this one.
     
  42. Gallant Knight

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    Nutt and petrino both lucked into classes with freak in stake skill position players

    We haven’t seen anything like that sense
     
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    I wish I had been older during the McFadden Jones Hillis years

    I was at the U of A whole they were there

    I would appreciate those teams so much more now
     
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  44. Nostradumass

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    See I refuse to hate Petrino.

    You can say all you want about how good that initial class or two was for him. Sure. Nutt had some special fucking players come his way too. What did he do with them? One ten-win season, a single earned-SEC-West title (2002 was only due to Bama being on probation), and the Capital One bowl. Nutt had a stupid amount of offensive talent in 2007 and what did he have to show for it?

    On the other hand, Bobby had a couple great classes and rode them to a 10 win season plus a Sugar Bowl, followed by an eleven win season and a top-5 finish during a time when the conference (especially the western division) was at it's absolute peak of power.

    Yep we tanked when he left. Sure, he may not have been able to sustain it. I dunno. But I know what he did, and it was a lot more fun than pulling out my hair with Houston fucking Dale Nutt for a decade, with his up and down, hot and cold seasons, and dumbass crab-pinching on the sideline.
     
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    I have trouble talking shit about coaches that won ten games or went to the SEC championship since I think it is questionable that we ever get back to that level
     
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  46. Andy Reocho

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    His style of recruiting coming from wisconsin where you had capable OL falling off trees willing to walk on, to having to fight for signature of a kid that’s not a life long hog was too much for him. I think it’s a huge reason why he’s going to be in the NFL for a while, it’s just football, no babysitting.
     
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    I think he will come back to college and do well. I don’t think he will stay in the bro as a special assistant for too long and I don’t think anyone int he NFL will let him be a d coordinator
     
  48. Gallant Knight

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    I think he would actually do really well at Arkansas now if he we hired him because he knows what it takes. Some school is going to be the beneficiary of him being the Arkansas coach and not getting it done

    I think he is actually smart and can coach at a high D1 level. I think chad has no shot
     
  49. bertwing

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    We’ll get back there one of these years when Saban finally croaks
     
  50. Andy Reocho

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    He’s the DL coach for NE currently iirc, got a bump this offseason