not because he was a brave for awhile but damn at gary shefield when he turned on one. i couldnt imagine playing 3rd base when he was at bat
I'm a Braves fan so this is obviously biased, but I feel like this was the high mark for baseball for me. I have all of these people's cards and I'm pretty sure I have the Jimmy Dean sausage collection from this all-star team. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1995_Major_League_Baseball_All-Star_Game
Dawson only considered teams that play on grass when his contract came up. He cited the surge as being able to play a whole season on healthy knees.
Andre Dawson also was the centerpiece for the players' union's collusion case against the owners. In the 1986 off season, the owners collectively refused to bid on free agents. Only four free agents switched teams. Dawson was one of the four. He was making just over $1 million with the Expos in 1986. No team gave him a free agent offer, so his agent literally showed up uninvited to the Cubs and offered a blank contract. They gave him $500,000. His agent negotiated some bonus clauses for an extra $200,000 that Dawson hit as NL MVP in 1987.
.345/.441/.607 - home .287/.386/.469 - road Lou Gehrig numbers at home. Adrian Gonzalez number on the road.
Those numbers are quite different though. It's a fair point to bring up. Although .286 on the road is still pretty damn good.
Let's look at Dawson, since he's been talked about today. .281/.330/481 - home .278/.316/.483 - road Pretty damn even. Guys like Helton and Walker are nowhere close to even. Hell Nolan Arenado a current day version of them. He's elite at home and league average on the road.
pretty sure i pointed that out, so yes i am aware. but andres and larry both hit very well with different teams respectively. which is why i also made that point. todd helton was a lifer in colorado the other two were not.
again im not saying they are even, i said but andres and larry both hit very well with different teams respectively. which is why i also made that point. todd helton was a lifer in colorado the other two were not. like three fucking times now.
Have you ever looked at Walkers numbers? You'll see a massive spike when he went to Colorado. He had one >.900 OPS year in Montreal. He had 12 straight in Colorado. http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/w/walkela01.shtml
galaraga in colorado 1993 ★ 32 COL NL 120 506 470 71 174 35 4 22 98 2 4 24 73 .370 .403 .602 1.005 150 283 9 6 0 6 12 *3 AS,MVP-10 1994 33 COL NL 103 449 417 77 133 21 0 31 85 8 3 19 93 .319 .356 .592 .949 127 247 10 8 0 5 8 *3 MVP-10 1995 34 COL NL 143 604 554 89 155 29 3 31 106 12 2 32 146 .280 .331 .511 .842 97 283 14 13 0 5 6 *3 MVP-16 1996 35 COL NL 159 691 626 119 190 39 3 47 150 18 8 40 157 .304 .357 .601 .958 127 376 6 17 0 8 3 *3/5 MVP-6,SS 1997 ★ 36 COL NL 154 674 600 120 191 31 3 41 140 15 8 54 141 .318 .389 .585 .974 131 351 16 17 0 3 2 *3 AS,MVP-7 galaraga after colorado ATL (2 yrs) 294 1196 1049 170 318 52 2 72 221 10 11 99 272 .303 .384 .562 .946 141 590 23 42 0 6 16 TEX (1 yr) 72 271 243 33 57 16 0 10 34 1 0 18 68 .235 .310 .424 .734 88 103 9 9 0 1 1 ANA (1 yr) 7 11 10 1 3 0 0 1 2 0 0 0 3 .300 .364 .600 .964 149 6 1 1 0 0 0 and then he got hurt. but hell his last real season was with anaheim where he had over .600 slg and .963 ops so fuck all the road/home split shit. if you can hit you can hit. hell i could make an argument that guys went down hill on the road because they got older and couldnt recoup as fast
Gallaragga played 19 seasons. He had 5 seasons over .900 OPS. 4 of those were in Colorado. He only played 5 seasons in Colorado.
Combined years in Colorado: .316 .367 .577 .944 He never had a single season out of Colorado that matches those numbers. His OPS dropped 100 points the year after leaving Colorado. HR's went from 44 to 28. He literally went down across the board.
yeah well my point was he wasnt too shabby elsewhere now was he. i will give you this maybe walker juiced and i just didnt realize it.
He didn't juice. He just went to play in the most hitter friendly park in the history of baseball by a wide margin.
Two seasons prior to Colorado: .219 .268 .336 .604 .243 .282 .391 .673 And then he found Colorado: .370 .403 .602 1.005
You said Helton was an all-timer. He's not. He just spent an entire career in a hitter's wet dream of a park.
I dont think anyone was trying to say they sucked and that the only reason they were good is because they played in Colorado. But, maybe they were great only because they played in Colorado.
helton had one of the best swings in baseball history dbl stop being so god damn argumentative. go let bear out or something
Meant the split between home hits and road hits. Sort of trying to change the subject as that guy that keeps arguing with you is derailing a pretty decent thread.
Numbers don't lie but you have to have context, too. If he put up those numbers in Petco, he'd be an all-timer. In Coors? Naaaa.
DBL's argument in this thread is why I mentioned Helton in the first place. Rockies's achievements are always taken with a grain of salt, rightly or wrongly. It just is what it is.
I'm not sure which other home run hitters had to play in some of the cavernous parks in the NL, but consider Willie Stargell and Willie Mays. Stargell played his first 9 seasons at Forbes Field and only hit more than 30 HRs once (33). Forbes was 442 to center, 462 to LC. In his first four years at Three Rivers, Stargell hit 31, 48, 33, and 44 in a career with 475. Mays only played 6 seasons at the Polo Grounds with its 453 to left and 480 to center, but it makes me appreciate the 51 he hit there in 1955. . . . or think of Aaron hitting all his HRs in these parks. Philly's Shibe was 420 left and 447 center.
Hey guys pippen isnt top 50 because he played with jordan, tough luck going in chicago. Worthy? Oh shit you played with kaj fuck that bro. I mean when do we stop being assholes thinking these guys just got lucky where they landed. And to that point fucking dbl what is jeter say he goes san diego in a trade?