And the fact that they could possibly get really good and keep big time recruits at home instead of going to Norman, Stillwater, Lubbock etc.
Idk what Texas wants beyond maintaining the BXII. While Oklahoma prefers a stable and athletically/financially competitive BXII, I think they could be happy in a number of different conferences. In contrast, I don't think Texas finds any of their non-BXII options appealing. Texas fans seem to loathe the SEC. The B1G is too cold/Yankee/north. The ACC is really far away to go alone. While the Pac12 is probably the best academic/cultural/athletic option for Austin and Texas, it's also far away even with a small pod of local schools. And the P12 network struggles underscore how much the center of the CFB world is in the east.
I can't imagine Texas going SEC. That would be them following their little brother and they are way too proud to do that. I would think its either B1G or PAC
Its a commuter school with obnoxious fans whose inferiority/little brother complex would make even A&M blush.
Ten years ago, yeah. They've actually done a lot to change that, you don't seem very open to reviewing your list of stereotypes so idk if it's worth it. Fans are still obnoxious, I'll give you that, but so are 99.9% of fan bases.
Seems like OU is ok and open to competition but Texas just wants teams they can shit on consistently but gives them enough teams to have a B12 championship game? Is that a fair assessment?
I am of the opinion that Oklahoma and Texas will never find a better situation to ensure football success than the one they currently find themselves in.
Missouri's roster year one in the SEC was over 50% Texas kids. Go look at it now. How many Texas kids does Nebraska get?
I think they can go wherever they want and still be fine at football and, especially in the case of Oklahoma, make more money. And comparing Missouri to Oklahoma is pretty laughable. Not even in the same stratosphere of program and interest. And if Oklahoma goes to the SEC, how would that change anything as far as roster makeup? They'll still have their game against a Texas opponent.
If OU left on their own they'd have to ensure UT would still play them in the non con and based on UT freezing out A&M that prob wouldn't happen. Being three hours from DFW and playing a huge game there every year is one of OU's main football advantages. They'd be insane to freeze themselves out of the state of Texas and play northern schools so basically their main option is the SEC. So they'd need a partner and TX wouldn't go with them to the SEC because they're too snobby academically and it'd be down to convincing the SEC to take OSU or KU (who probably wouldn't go to the SEC). So yeah, OU would be coveted by any conference but for a lot of reasons in practice they're tied to UT.
Maybe they could still be fine, probably actually, but the devil you know seems to be the more sure thing. Nebraska is about as close to OU as you can get for a like for like (middle America, blue blood, left the big 12), and I know people blame other factors on their recent lack of success, but no matter what you attribute it to, there hasn't been any track record of a major program switching conferences and sustaining or increasing on field success. And I wasn't comparing OU and Mizzou directly I was just showing the results leaving has had on another school, as its the closest comparator we have. There aren't too many instances of this to which we can refer, so that's all we have. Mizzou, when they left (like Oklahoma), was heavily dependent on Texas for crootin', and they've lost that advantage.
I think that's one reason OU has so much leverage at this time. They know that Texas knows they're lifting up their skirt to Delaney, and they also know that if Texas quits playing them, Texas will have abandoned their three main rivals (atm, arkansas, OU) in a twenty year period.
Nebraska had been flailing long before it left for the Big 10. Really don't think they've been appreciably worse since the move. They also spent a long time in a conference without Texas and did just fine. I mean, I'm cool with them staying in the Big 12 and I get why Texas Tech/K-State/fans that aren't Texas fans are possessive of it, but Oklahoma and Texas are name brands that will excel in any situation. They know that, so they are going to let this play out.
It's a relatively new phenomenon, so the sample size is quite small. Arkansas going from the SWC to the SEC is really the only one prior to 2004. All the others were independents going to conferences (Florida State, Penn State, South Carolina, etc.) or larger mergers (SWC/Big 8 to Big 12). Either way, money talks, and SEC/B1G have enough to where they'll be attractive to anyone.
I don't think we really even have a plan. I know we get along really well with Oklahoma's administration. If Strong has us competing for Big 12 championships and bringing us top 5 recruiting classes I think we will be fine staying where we are. But I also don't think we would mind a change, and I don't think oklahoma coming to us with the increased numbers they could be getting elsewhere is going to hurt our partnership in the RRS, even if we aren't in the same conference. Theres a ton of unknowns. Im pretty certain Texas couldn't leave Tech right now if they wanted to.
That's another factor, I don't think UT can leave Tech, or OU can leave OSU, or KU can leave KSU, or whatever. A state school leaving other state schools has happened exactly once in this realignment process and it was only after assurances were made that all the other schools in that state would stay P5. State governments aren't going to give up the P5 status of a school and income derived from it unless they have to. Particularly in Kansas where the state schools are all run by one BOR.
The other simple fact I think applies through all of this is that if you are P5, you are going to stay P5, because of the litigation that a downgrade in status opens up. So if UT or OU want to leave the conference on their own they'll have to find landing spots for everyone else in the conference. It isn't as simple as just saying let's leave the conference or whatevs. I think realistically this entire thing is OU, UT and the networks having a public pissing match over expansion and very little else. I don't think either one wants to or needs to leave the Big 12.
If we're still calling it P5, the BigXII would still be that by default. Expanding now with some decent football schools and/or TV markets would help maintain that status.
Yep, I think the Big XII stays Power 5, though it obviously becomes the fifth wheel without OU and UT. Kind of like the Big East with the BCS.
You mean all these message boards and anonymous Twitter accounts don't know the whole story? Shit. I'd like to think the conference is doing their due diligence and will make the best decision in the end, but has always been the issue with the big12, a lack of strong, visionary leadership makes me doubt that will happen.
Texas and OU bolt and B12 would add the best remaining AAC teams and maybe some MWC and that would be pretty much the end of it all for a long time and anyone left out will be permanently fucked.
If UT and OU had any intention of adding some teams then bolting so the conference could stay together when they leave, then they wouldn't be arguing over who they're adding
There's no solution other than current teams getting better. But missing the playoffs two out of three years won't instill confidence in the status quo.
agreed, texas tech takes it to louisianas best team, kansas state takes it to florida's 2nd best team (behind miami), but people want to talk about the blowout in norman smh
Ttu Ksu Wvu Osu Tcu Hou Byu Cincy Boise Sdsu Ndsu Csu At least it wouldnt embarrass itself every year
Boren has switched positions. Again. http://www.campusrush.com/big-12-ex...s-texas-longhorns-david-boren-2018459914.html
OU is three hours away from DFW. Nebraska and Mizzou are pretty poor comparisons. I doubt that DFW kids will care that much if OU stops playing games in Ft Worth and Lubbock every other year, particularly if OU is in the SEC in this scenario
You're probably right. How far is Arkansas from DFW? They thrived on DFW and Houston kids in the 60s and 70s when it was a good program. Definitely not the case anymore.