Breaking Bad

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  1. spagett

    spagett Got ya, spooked ya Donor

    Walt hinted at that tonight when he was on Letterman
  2. Buster Bryant

    Buster Bryant Fan of: Cubs, Chiefs, Hawkeyes, Lakers Donor

    As I posted awhile back, I was going to try and run through seasons 1-4 again before season 5 began. I just finishes season 1 last night so I decided to forgo seasons 2-3 and just start season 4. Hopefully I'll be able to finish it by the time season 5 begins. Knocked out 2 episodes tonight... it's gonna be tough.
  3. salukinole

    salukinole Sometimes cucumber tastes better pickle

    I've been doing the same thing. I'm halfway through Season 3 and hope to be done with Season 4 by Sunday. Crazy how many little bits and pieces intertwine through the whole series.
  4. laxjoe

    laxjoe Well-Known Member Donor
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    'Breaking Bad' star Bryan Cranston looks back at Walter White's greatest hits, part 1

    On everything from the Heisenberg hat to the poisoning of Brock
    By Alan Sepinwall Thursday, Jul 12, 2012 9:00 AM


    Bryan Cranston as a newly-bald Walter White in the early days of "Breaking Bad."
    Credit: AMC

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    Though "Breaking Bad" will have another eight episodes to run next summer after the eight that start airing Sunday night at 10 on AMC, this is technically the start of the show's final season. So when given the chance to sit down with the show's two leading men, I thought this might be a good time to let each of them revisit some of the most memorable moments for their characters, and what it was like to play those scenes. I first spoke with Aaron Paul, then sat down for lunch with Bryan Cranston.

    This conversation wound up being quite a bit longer than the one with Paul, so I'm splitting it into two parts. Today deals with a variety of topics, from Heisenberg's hat to what Cranston knew when about the Brock storyline. The second half (which includes "I am the one who knocks!" and "Run.") will come tomorrow at this time.

    You and I have talked in the past about how you came up with the costume and the mustache and all of that. The one piece of the wardrobe we never talked about is the Heisenberg hat. Who found that and what was your reaction when you first got it, and how it helped you get into that side of the character?

    Bryan Cranston: That was all working with Vince Gilligan and Kathleen Detoro, the costume designer, deciding on an iconic kind of look. I don't know where it came from. I was talking with Vince about it. I said, "It's interesting how in the fifth episode of the first season, how he shaves his head because of the chemo, he discovered something in that look that made it okay in his head." It's almost like a different person in the mirror looking back at you. And as long as he can't recognize that guy, can he sort of justify this double life? It's like he's a different man. That's why we continued to shave his head even though it was said in later episodes that his hair was back with the remission. He couldn't go back to the little simplistic mustache and the mop of hair. He's different. He's a changed man. So he's now become Heisenberg. That was more an overt way to show that.

    The porkpie hat, and the dark glasses, and even the darker goatee that came out in place of the mustache — that's changed him. I think it's fun that it's on t-shirts, even in silhouette form.

    There's a scene in the first season finale, where they're throwing the baby shower for Skyler, and Walt is asked to record a video message to the unborn baby. And Walt is surrounded by all of his friends, and he doesn't want to show any emotions to them, but he knows he's recording this message to the daughter he may never see. What do you remember of shooting that? It's a small moment, but it's one of my favorite bits from that season.

    It's like being on a ride for the first time, and you're starting out floating around and not knowing where it's going to go. I remember being uncomfortable doing that as the character. He's not used to making proclamations. And the last time he recited into a videocamera was the pilot episode when he's going, "This is not an admission of guilt!" So it was a little moment. It's good that you caught that. The little moments are the things that really make this work. And makes it work to the point that it's in the right medium. If it's in a film, that would be the first thing that's cut. So you don't get a deepening, wide foundation to this. It's Get to it! Get to it! Go! Now he's the bad guy! And to me, it's all that foreplay of getting to the bad guy that has been so rewarding.

    Vince has said many times he was going to kill off Jesse in the first season and changed his mind. Is that something you knew in the early stages as you were working with Aaron, or did you find out after the fact?

    I did know. He was supposed to die somewhere in the fourth or fifth episode, I think. It's a credit to Vince and the writers to be able to let the pendulum swing in a different direction. And that's what good, good writers do. They will have a basic broad stroke idea of where they're going, but not finalize anything. It's like trying to decide what you're going to wear next week. I don't even know what I'm wearing today. He saw something, saw the dynamic between Jesse and Walt, the oil and water mix, a great opportunity for humor and a lot of things. And Aaron Paul's mastery of all that was great.


    And at that point, you're fine just rolling with it, 'I'm going to be working with this guy for a while now'?

    Oh, yeah. Going into any show, you have to let go to a degree. If you try to micromanage or hold onto something, not so good. In television, the writer is king, which is as it should be. In your first acting class, they do a trust exercise, where you have to turn around, close your eyes, fall back and the other guy will catch you and lay you on the floor. Because we're going to be on stage, and you have to trust that I'm going to be there for you. It's meant to prove that point. When you get on stage or in front of a camera, you have to trust that the other person and you are going to push and pull. Same thing with your writer. We have to trust that he's going to take us and protect the characters. Not sell us out for a joke or something. That's what he's done.

    You directed the season 2 premiere, and there's a scene in there where Walt has just come home, he's had this terrifying experience at the junkyard with Tuco, he's in the kitchen with Skyler and they have this horrible, violent, ugly sex in the kitchen. And you have to both play and direct this. What are your memories of that?

    I did the character work before. So I knew what I wanted to do by the time we started shooting. So that when I'm on stage talking with Anna (Gunn) and guiding her through this, and with Michael Slovis, my DP, I wanted to make sure I was clear where I wanted to go with this. And it is a violent act. I wanted to make sure Anna was physically safe, for one, emotionally safe, number two, and then carry on with it. And from a character standpoint, Walt had this bottled-up sense of anxiety, and he just witnessed a brutal beating that was so violent to him — remember, he's new to it — that he's reeling from it, and doesn't know where to place it, and just needs comfort right now. So I wanted to specifically make Walt go to his wife for comfort, and what happens is that in seeking comfort — just come up from behind her and smell her and feel safe — what happens often with men is it gets misplaced, it gets confused. He gets charged up, kind of excited and aggressive and get this angst out, this sense of tension. And that's why he goes to that point. That's how Bryan had to justify it and then tell Walt how to play it.

    You're not a self-conscious actor at all — your resume proves that. But if you're in a scene like that where you're also the director, does that change the performance at all? Does that layer of self-consciousness slip in, or are you able to separate the two?

    No, I'm able to separate it and able to identify what has to happen when, and where am I. So if Bryan clearly understands where Walt is at any given point — that's where it was for me. I told Walt where he was going to be, and it felt right to him to play it that way. And the way I wanted to shoot it, I wanted it to be fragmented — as messy as you can — so I shot it in a way that it was a hand, slipping, pushing, moving, a side, and I didn't want them in the same shot. So it was either him or her, and then a hand and a foot and a stomp and a face and a push.

    A few episodes later, Walt has to fake the blackout to explain where he was when Tuco had them captive. There's this moment with the doctor where he realizes he has to tell this guy a better story, and he asks about doctor/patient confidentiality, and I'm thinking, "Oh my God, is he going to tell him about the meth?" There are moments throughout the series where Walt seems on the verge of confessing, whether through circumstance, or he's under the influence. How do you play these moments, where Walt's a very closed-up character and the valve's about to open and then it doesn't?

    It's just that: you open it just a crack. Each time a character has an action or a reaction, you the actor have to justify that. When I'm told direction, I often go off and take in the information and I process it, and I see how it makes sense to my world in that given time. And if I have an issue with it, I'll ask a question or a concern. And then until you can has it out and get to the point. And that's very much the process of it.

    For example, in the fourth season, the twelfth episode, when Jesse comes and says (Jesse Pinkman impression), "You poisoned Brock! You did it! I'm gonna kill you!" And I'm going, "Whoa, whoa, whoa, why would I do that?" Two things there. First, I didn't read episode 13 yet, so I didn't know I had done it — which reinforced my choice not to know in advance, because I had to be convincing that Walt didn't do this. So that worked. But Vince directed the episode, and he first had a certain idea of how it would be, and it didn't work, so we reworked it, and the second idea didn't work. So that took more time than it normally would to just figure it out. Something would happen and Aaron would say, "That doesn't feel right to me." So each actor has to protect their own character, and the visionary, Vince Gilligan, has to protect the overall. That's his most important thing: the overall story. So actors come in and say, "I need to protect me first," and you try to work things out. We had to dance and dance and dance until we finally got to a point where it made sense and was interesting, and he pushes me down on the floor. Something happened by accident: on one take, I grabbed him and said, "Do you want to kill me?" and I forced him to put the gun to my head. And I didn't know it at the time, but I'm holding the gun to my forehead, so when he pulls it away, there's that little circle on my forehead.

    Jane dies. Walt watches her die, essentially causes it by changing her position, and then he stands there, doesn't save her, doesn't roll her over. What's going through your mind and what's going through Walt's mind as this is happening?

    Two different things. Walt's thinking, "Oh my God." Immediate kneejerk reaction is, "Someone's choking, save them." Split-second later is, "Wait, this is the woman who was going to extort money out of you, ruin everything, you go to jail, your family gets nothing. And this is the same woman who hooked Jesse on heroin, eventually she's going to get him killed with that. Fuck it! It's better that she dies! But she's a human being, she's a little girl! She's a person!" I'm as close to her as I am to you, and I have to do something. It's almost like the angel and the devil on the shoulder, telling you what to do. And it forced Walt into inaction. And his omission spoke volumes, when it's like, "It's probably better that I don't do anything."

    What happened to Bryan on one take, I looked at her, and I just see a little innocent. Krysten Ritter is such a fine actor, and she was totally into it off-screen for me, and any actor appreciates that. I was able to conjure up all kinds of feelings because of it. In one take, I saw my own daughter dying in front of me, and that choked me up. That's the worst thing for a parent.

    Obviously, if Vince says Walt is going to do something, you do it. But are there any actions — that one, the poisoning with Brock — where you're reading the script and it troubles you?

    From a character standpoint or a Bryan standpoint?

    Let's start with the Bryan standpoint.

    It's really about the character. If it's right for the character, I'll do it.

    So you think he would've let her choke and he would've poisoned the kid.

    Yeah. It's gotten to that point. This is how I justified when he poisoned Brock: all this time, Gus Fring had been the puppeteer. He has the video camera surveillance. He has hired thugs, he has all the money, he's in control. It's like David and Goliath, and yet David wins this one. How does he win it? I've gotta have an ally. I can't do it alone. So I have to think, "What am I willing, what could I do to get Jesse back in the fold so he can be bait?" It's this cat-and-mouse, and at that point, Gus Fring represented the more powerful, more lethal dilemma to me than, "If I can figure out the right amount of poison so I won't kill the boy, but it'll be serious enough to make it look like he was poisoned." (He shrugs apologetically.) You have to do what you have to do, Alan.
  5. G.O.A.T.

    G.O.A.T. Well-Known Member

    Just got done watching season 4

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    When would Walt have given the kid the lily?

    I'm also very interested to see if they bring in Walt for questioning. Wheelchair guy only gets visits from Gus but is visited by Walt the day he dies. Surely someone had to have seen him talk to him when they are playing bingo. They may also have cameras in the main room.
  6. bic

    bic the way out is through Staff Member Donor TMB OG

    They've done stuff in the past where they've had flashbacks or whatever you want to call them to explain future/current happenings on the show. Like when they showed how Jesse got the RV with Combo. I wouldn't be surprised to see them show a sequence (maybe when/if Jesse finds out Walt poisoned Brock) with Walt giving the kid the berries.
  7. hamsterdam

    hamsterdam I wish I knew how to quit you. Donor TMB OG

    so it is definitive that walt poisoned brock
  8. laxjoe

    laxjoe Well-Known Member Donor

    Haha yeah its definitive.

    Also for those with dish or possibly anyone without amc (not sure if you have to authenticate yourself or not) but amc is live streaming the premier sunday night
  9. laxjoe

    laxjoe Well-Known Member Donor

    first, no reason to spoil now. We're all caught up. As for the timing -its been a while since I watched the finale but he was absent for a long time and gilligan said they walked through it and the timing made sense. Now, how did he actually get brock to eat the berry? That's another question but im willing to just go with it
  10. Jaqen H'ghar

    Jaqen H'ghar Valar Morghulis

    I feel like it probably isn't that hard to get a 10(?) year old kid to eat something. Doesn't seem like a big deal for me.
  11. laxjoe

    laxjoe Well-Known Member Donor

  12. laxjoe

    laxjoe Well-Known Member Donor


    SWIMFAN Waiting for 2016: New President, New Coach Donor

    or he coulda just put it in some food or put it in a coke can and was like heres a free coke kid
  14. bic

    bic the way out is through Staff Member Donor TMB OG

    Yeah, as far as timing is concerned we see Walt spinning the gun in the morning after he sees off his family on their way to be under protection at Hank's then we don't see him again until late that night when Jesse finds out his cigarette is missing and thinks Walt poisoned Brock with the ricin. Pretty much the whole day there where he was unreachable (not answering phone calls from his family) and that's when he would have done it.
  15. Craig Pettis

    Craig Pettis The first million is the hardest- Hitler Donor

    I ran through seasons 1 and 2 a few weeks ago with this chick that has never seen it, was gonna do 3 and 4 but at this point I think I'll just watch the last 2 or 3 eps from season 3 and try to roll thru 4 by sunday night. looking forward to it
  16. steamengine

    steamengine Fiscally liberal, socially conservative Donor

    Steve Ferra@AbPow
    AMC/Dish negotiations so contentious that AMC has alerted its office staff to be on lookout for old man in wheelchair with a bell.

    Retweeted by Alan Sepinwall
  17. laxjoe

    laxjoe Well-Known Member Donor

    an update on the amc streaming - you do in fact have to authenticate yourself as a Dish customer
  18. Pelican

    Pelican COOL huh Staff Member Donor TMB OG

    Re-watching season 1 right now.

    Totally forgot about the scene where those dudes were making fun of Walt Jr. in the store. :laugh:
  19. laxjoe

    laxjoe Well-Known Member Donor

    for Clutch to catch up on BB by 10 pm sunday

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  20. Clutch

    Clutch Thanks Donor

    well, too late to do that now
  21. gatorfromiowa

    gatorfromiowa only UF commits have committable offers Donor TMB OG

    Is this really how we're going to explain away one of the biggest plot points of the entire show?

    For starters, the kid isn't dead so there's kind of a witness issue...not to mention that if Walt's showing up at school to give it to him there are probably 100 other people that saw it happen.

    It's a massive plot hole (as is the cigarette exchange) that needs a better explanation.

    SWIMFAN Waiting for 2016: New President, New Coach Donor

    well i dont know any other way how, unless you would like to explain it for us
  23. LKRFN88jp

    LKRFN88jp Husking Staff Member Donor TMB OG

    It'll be explained :twocents:
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  24. gatorfromiowa

    gatorfromiowa only UF commits have committable offers Donor TMB OG

    That's the writers' job.

    But Walt playing "scary creep giving poision candy to a kid" seems pretty awful given all the problems with witnesses and the kid still being alive.

    Bad, but not as bad, would be Walt sneaking something into (w/out being seen) the food/drink that the kid was already eating/drinking.

    Either way it's too big of a plot point to leave blank in a show that is all about the details.
  25. Craig Pettis

    Craig Pettis The first million is the hardest- Hitler Donor

    "$79,000? Who cares? Do you know how much money I make in a day?" :rain: :rain: :rain:

    I'm team it's not that damn hard to give food/candy/what the fuck ever to an 8 yr old kid. It would be as simple to write off as he had someone break in their house (the redheaded guy, he can pick a lock, let's say) and poison candy (he knew the kid would eat the candy and not the mother)

    I came up with that in 3 seconds, I'm sure the writers can come up with something airtight and believable in 5 mins :twocents:
  26. SugarShaun

    SugarShaun Russ was right, this guy fucks Donor

    Another fantastic scene

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  27. southlick

    southlick Centaur Donor TMB OG

  28. Buster Bryant

    Buster Bryant Fan of: Cubs, Chiefs, Hawkeyes, Lakers Donor

    Truly incredible. Got chills.
  29. willcrazyiii

    willcrazyiii Member

    For all the people that are saying there's plot holes galore in Walt poisoning Brock, you might want to check out this video. Pretty much clears up everything, and it's all been confirmed by Gilligan.

  30. gatorfromiowa

    gatorfromiowa only UF commits have committable offers Donor TMB OG

    Ya the major plot holes with the cigarette exchange include:

    Why in the fuck does Saul want to go through with this? Saul is not on team "do anything for Walt no matter what." Only thing that would make sense is Walt telling him "I'll give you some huge amount of money to switch out the cigs with no questions asked." Even then it's a stretch.

    The physical exchange itself is completely far-fetched.

    Still a problem with the number of cigs being exchanged. Jesse could've had a full pack, a pack that was nearly empty, etc. He's going to notice if his swapped out pack isn't anywhere close in number to his old pack. Simply swapping out the packs isn't going to sell Jesse 100% on Gus stealing it especially when his other train of thought is "you had saul take them from me."

    I think for being the biggest plot point of the whole season it was sloppy writing. "How are we going to convince Jesse to side with Walt? Oh I know let's have the 350 lb bodyguard magically swap out a pack of cigs (with all of the problems mentioned above)."

    And in addition to all of that we have to just assume that poisoning the kid went down without any problems.

    Those are 2 actions that required flawless execution to come close to working, and we got no details on either of them.

    Oh and I almost forgot, Gus is the most cautious person in the world, and he basically decides to walk into a trap by himself knowing full well that Walt is trying to kill him.
  31. SugarShaun

    SugarShaun Russ was right, this guy fucks Donor

    Saul was in full panic mode so I don't think its a stretch he would give in to Walt on drastic measures

    Gus was different with Hector, he typically dealt with Hector alone and with him seemed blinded by his hatred for him.

    That still doesn't explain the how many cigarettes though but I just don't think those 2 are as big of holes as you made them out to be

    SWIMFAN Waiting for 2016: New President, New Coach Donor

    im willing to look past that at this point
  33. Jean-Ralphio

    Jean-Ralphio A real toe-tapper Donor

    fucking can't wait!!!!!!
  34. SugarShaun

    SugarShaun Russ was right, this guy fucks Donor

  35. gatorfromiowa

    gatorfromiowa only UF commits have committable offers Donor TMB OG

    Ya I get that it's nitpicky. I'm not saying that those are 2 big holes but it's that there are a lot of little holes in the details of the 2 big things: the cig swap and no details in the poisoning. So I think with those being the 2 most important things in Walt's plan that's it's hard for me to just assume that everything worked out and look past it.
  36. SugarShaun

    SugarShaun Russ was right, this guy fucks Donor

    My hope is that as someone else mentioned there will be a flashback this season that helps make it easier to swallow.
  37. Jean-Ralphio

    Jean-Ralphio A real toe-tapper Donor

    gatorfromiowa at it again folks. i honestly dont get why you even watch television, all you do is bitch and moan. If you really want to find holes in a show it's really not that hard. the show is about a HS teacher turned drug kingpin. do you really expect the story to be bulletproof? the fact that it's this good should be something to be happy about.
  38. willcrazyiii

    willcrazyiii Member

    I think Saul is totally rational in helping Walt out here. Saul knows that if Gus is around much longer then he's going go get iced along with Walt and Jesse, so I'm sure Walt let him on his plan to get Jesse back in his good graces. Sure, there's no love lost between Walt and Saul, but Walt's persuasive if nothing else. It worked didn't it?
  39. NCHusker88

    NCHusker88 Come with me if you don't want to get paint on you Donor TMB OG

    Breaking Bad, as well done as it is, is full of moments where you have to stretch what you would consider likely or probable. Yeah it's a stretch to think everything would go perfectly in the Brock poisoning. But it's not a plot hole, just something that is unlikely to work so well in real life.
  40. EdmondDantes

    EdmondDantes Both winner in league and apparently at life, haha Staff Member Donor TMB OG

  41. George Costanza

    George Costanza It's not a lie if you believe it Donor

  42. Daniel Ocean

    Daniel Ocean I only lied about being a thief Staff Member Donor TMB OG

    Exactly. In the Homeland thread people are bitching about
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    the fact that daughter call comes in at the last moment and it stops him
    but the way I see it is a drama on tv so as long as the "plot holes" are totally against all logic I allow myself to suspend disbelief, if not why do anything entertaining. If one is unwilling to allow for "plot holes" they should only watch documentaires and the news and only read non fiction.
  43. OTM

    OTM Can I interest you in a game of Online Wizards? Donor

  44. tjosu

    tjosu This is kind of like the breakfast club, huh? Donor

    My roommate is watching the series for the first time and is in season 2. I've been watching as well, but just had to leave the room so I didn't have to see the painfully awkward happy birthday song from Skyler to Beneke
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  45. JeremyLambsFace

    JeremyLambsFace Fan of: Coach Muschamp

    That was miserable.
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  46. Houndster

    Houndster Ball don't lie Staff Member Donor

    What does everyone think about Ted's death? That was the most random thing to happen in this series and it really got glazed over by the Walt/Gus battle.
  47. EdmondDantes

    EdmondDantes Both winner in league and apparently at life, haha Staff Member Donor TMB OG

    are we certain that he died?
  48. fattmante

    fattmante Love is the coal that makes this train roll


    the chemical formula for methamphetamine
  49. LKRFN88jp

    LKRFN88jp Husking Staff Member Donor TMB OG

    Most painful scene of the series iyam.
  50. EdmondDantes

    EdmondDantes Both winner in league and apparently at life, haha Staff Member Donor TMB OG

    in my medicinal chemistry class last semester our professor casually told us a 3 step process for making crystal meth

    i lol'd

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