Detroit Lions: Readying our appeal for Goodell b/c 53 people with vaginas are about to get smacked

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  1. buckwild

    buckwild BUMP

    Cliff Avril may hold out if tagged

    ESPN.com news services

    Defensive end Cliff Avril said he will contemplate holding out from the Detroit Lions' offseason program and training camp if the team uses its franchise tag on him rather than negotiate a long-term deal.


    "There's a lot of different possibilities, and that's one of the possibilities -- not showing up," Avril told the Detroit Free Press on Saturday. "But we don't know. That's not the plan, obviously. But there's a lot of different possibilities, and that's definitely one of them."
    The Lions can use the franchise tag on Avril to keep him off the market with a one-year deal for the average of the five highest-paid defensive ends as soon as Monday or as late as March 5.
    "I don't want to be franchised," Avril told the newspaper. "That's basically what I got last year. The (restricted free-agent) tender was basically the same thing. I just want security and longevity."
    General manager Martin Mayhew has said publicly he doesn't plan to use the franchise tag but the Free Press reported Friday, citing unnamed sources, that the Lions are likely to apply their franchise tender to Avril if they can't agree to a long-term deal.
    Avril recorded a career-high 11 sacks in his fourth year with the Lions. He also forced six fumbles.

    The Lions have said they want to keep Avril for the long haul, but his agent doesn't sound encouraged by how negotiations have gone so far.
    "Talks are going very slowly," Brian Mackler, Avril's agent, said Friday, refusing to get into details.
    Avril was drafted in the third round out of Purdue in 2008. His rookie season was forgettable. He started four games but Detroit went 0-16. Since then, he's made steady progress while remaining somewhat under the radar.

    The 25-year-old defensive end has 30 sacks in 57 career games.
  2. ~ taylor ~

    ~ taylor ~ Иф ыоу хавеньт хеард, Мичиган ис бацк.

    Avril is going to have to play for a moderate discount over what the market would likely bear, or deal with the franchise tag, if he wants to be a Lion next year.
  3. MG2

    MG2 Still celebrating the Jim Schwartz era

    Avril isn't going to sign for a team friendly deal before he hits the market because it wouldn't make sense for him. The Lions appear unlikely to give him a monster deal to make sure he's locked up before FA starts. Thus, he's either going to be franchised, or he's probably going to hit the open market and get a huge deal the Lions won't top because of the cap situation they're in.

    I think we'd have to clear some pretty serious space to be able to franchise him soon, so that could be a problem. As good as he is at times, I would almost prefer it if we franchised him and someone traded some picks for him.
  4. DeToxRox

    DeToxRox Victim of the Rooney Rule

    Team Let Avril Walk.

    He is a good rusher and will be good wherever he goes. DE's in the Wide 9 can be found in a lot of places though and at this point Avril is a luxury, not a need. Keep the cash, let him go.
  5. MG2

    MG2 Still celebrating the Jim Schwartz era

    Not much at the combine will change anything for Detroit with the offensive skill guys (at least in the first 2-3 rounds, I would think), but yesterday probably changed some things with the OL. Seems like Kahlil and Reiff will both be long gone by the time Detroit picks, but Cordy Glenn seems to be shooting up draft boards after his postseason work. He might not even make it to where Detroit picks at this rate if people think he can play tackle. DeCastro also probably ensured that he'll be gone by the Lions' pick as well.

    Jonathan Martin from Stanford didn't work out yesterday because of an illness, though. I wonder if he might start to slip a bit as Glenn moves up the boards, so that would be nice. McShay (which means nothing, I know) has Martin ranked at 24 overall and behind DeCastro, Glenn and Mike Adams.
  6. MG2

    MG2 Still celebrating the Jim Schwartz era

    Can't say I saw this one coming, as I thought they'd be rather disappointed in the way Wright finished the season and prefer to move on:

  7. MG2

    MG2 Still celebrating the Jim Schwartz era

    Also, from earlier in the week on PFT (sorry Moxin24)

  8. Moxin24

    Moxin24 I'M TALKING ABOUT WHORES PEOPLE!

    He's such a fucking bum.
  9. ~ taylor ~

    ~ taylor ~ Иф ыоу хавеньт хеард, Мичиган ис бацк.

    Burleson makes $2M too much.
  10. Manny

    Manny I love lamp.

    Want Vontaze to continue to plummet so we can get him in the 3rd and complete the triumvirate of personal fouls with Suh and Fairley.
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  11. DeToxRox

    DeToxRox Victim of the Rooney Rule

    Burfict is this years Brandon Spikes. He could end up in the 3rd.

    At this point Janoris Jenkins is #1 on my wish list with Nick Perry a close second. Perry is going to be far out of reach I'd imagine following the Combine, but Jenkins could be there. Jenkins has high boom/bust potential but the kid is the best DB in the draft. My hope now is Jonathan Martin somehow falls to our spot at which point he'd be tied with Jenkins a top my wish list but I view he, Glenn and DeCastro has locks to be gone before we're up at this point.
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  12. MG2

    MG2 Still celebrating the Jim Schwartz era

    PFT had something on Jenkins the other day from his presser at the combine, and he talked about how he has 4 kids. Maybe it shouldn't be this way, but that kind of scares me more than the off field stuff from UF.

    On talent alone, I think Jenkins is the #2 CB after Claiborne. Kirkpatrick is a really good athlete with elite size, but I'm scared shitless of DBs who don't find the ball in coverage consistently, and that's my question on him. I saw more of that from Jenkins when he was at UF.

    Martin kind of seems like Jeff Backus/Matt Light to me. Doesn't seem like he does anything at an elite level, but he does everything well enough to be at least competent at LT for a decade. If you're picking 23rd in the draft, I think you take a guy like that every time if you can get him.
  13. StinkyP1nky

    StinkyP1nky Quack Quack!

    Lions first pick is after 7pm this year?
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  14. Ikawgagoo

    Ikawgagoo New Member

    I really wanted Mike Adams but the 19 reps is kind of worrisome. I know he probably has some of the longest arms but still.

    Would love Perry.
  15. Vinegar Strokes

    Vinegar Strokes New Member

    I want Janoris Jenkins. We need some swag to go along with Delmas in our secondary :dennard:
  16. buckwild

    buckwild BUMP

    The Lions placed the franchise tag on Avril...

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    Lions use franchise tag on Avril

    Posted by ttwentyman on March 5, 2012 – 12:23 pm


    As expected, the Lions have placed the non-exclusive franchise tag on defensive end Cliff Avril.
    The team and Avril could not come to an agreement on a long-term contract today so the team placed the one-year franchise tag on him before today’s 4 p.m. deadline. The move prevents Avril from hitting free agency March 13.
    Placing the non-exclusive tag on Avril allows him to negotiate with other teams, but the Lions would have the right to match any offer or be compensated with two first-round selections.
    The Lions will pay Avril $10.6 million next season, which is a hefty raise from the $2.61 million he made in 2011. Avril is bound to play under the tag next season unless an agreement on a long-term deal can be made before July 15. After that date, Avril has no choice but to play next season under the tag or not play at all.
    The franchise tag certainly isn’t an ideal move for a Lions team looking for salary cap relief, but losing Avril ultimately proved to be a worse option in the long run.
    Avril, 25, has improved his sack total each season since being drafted in 2008 by the Lions. In 47 career games (44 starts), Avril has 30 sacks, 129 tackles, 14 forced fumbles, 12 passes defended and two touchdowns.
    His 11 sacks led the team last season and his six forced fumbles were second-most in the NFL to only the Ravens’ Terrell Suggs (7). Avril also recovered three fumbles, the second most in the league.
    Avril became the first Lions player to register 10 sacks and have at least one fumble return touchdown and one interception return touchdown in the same season. He’s only the sixth player since the NFL started registering sacks as a statistic in 1982 to accomplish that feat, and the first since 2006 (DeMarcus Ware).
    His season earned him the Lem Barney Defensive MVP Award, as voted by his teammates.
    The Lions will continue to negotiate with Avril’s agent Brian Mackler on a long-term deal, but can now shift some focus to getting some of the other team’s key free agents signed knowing that Avril will be a Lion next year.
  17. DeToxRox

    DeToxRox Victim of the Rooney Rule

    I am going to predict Avril is dealt to a team like the Pats for a 1st.
  18. MG2

    MG2 Still celebrating the Jim Schwartz era

    I'm going to predict that I will be a happy man if that happens.
  19. DeToxRox

    DeToxRox Victim of the Rooney Rule

    With the NFL aglow in the "Bountygate" controversy surrounding the New Orleans Saints, word is coming out from around the league about different instances of players being paid for big hits or big plays – even accusations of injuring opponents.
    Detroit Lions head coach Jim Schwartz is now getting some attention.
    Schwartz replaced Gregg Williams &ndashah; the man at the center of the controversy – as Tennessee's defensive coordinator in 2001, and some Titans players told The Tennessean's Jim Wyatt he "handed out baseball bats or boxing gloves for big hits."
    Some players took it to the next level, though, according to ex-Titans safety Lance Schulters, who played for the team from 2002-2004.
    "Guys would throw out there, 'Hey, knock this guy out and it's worth $1,000,' " he said. "Let's say when we played the Steelers, and Hines Ward was always trying to knock guys out. So if you knocked (him) out, there might be something in the pot, $100 or whatever, for a big hit on Hines – a legal, big hit.
    "In some of our (defensive back meeting) rooms we had money up for big hits, stuff like that. But it wasn't dirty, or anything crazy like 'Take this guy's knee out and you get $5,000.' It was just a way of keeping it interesting."
    Tony Dungy's accusations – the former Indianapolis head coach said the Titans had bounties out on Colts quarterback Peyton Manning – are much more serious, though Dungy didn't specify whether he was referring to a Williams- or Schwartz-coached defense.
    New York Giants linebacker Keith Bulluck, who played for Titans from 2000-2009, downplays what went on when he was in Tennessee, comparing it to March Madness.
    "I am aware of that kind of stuff happening, but within those types of things, that is done amongst the players and there is definitely nothing malicious about it. It is more for fun,'' he told The Tennessean. "The NFL has been around a long time, so things didn't just start happening in 2011. It is like when players in college get stickers (for their helmets). It is just ingrained in the sport."
  20. MG2

    MG2 Still celebrating the Jim Schwartz era

    I don't really see how the NFL can ever stop the players from doing this among themselves. I can understand why they'd flip about an organization (which they already warned to stop, in the case of NO) having coaches basically running that kind of stuff, but there's nothing they can really do if they find out about players running that kind of thing in hindsight.
  21. DeToxRox

    DeToxRox Victim of the Rooney Rule

    That is the the thing. The players will never be stopped unless the NFL starts putting NFL officials in every locker room to curb it from happening.
  22. MG2

    MG2 Still celebrating the Jim Schwartz era

    Bruschi and Woodson have been on ESPN all day and basically saying they were in locker rooms that did that sort of thing. Bruschi said the NFL found out about their players doing it and told them to stop. I don't see what the NFL could do in terms of going back and finding out something of that nature happened, though, as long as only players were doing it and they weren't "bounties" for taking guys out.
  23. Moxin24

    Moxin24 I'M TALKING ABOUT WHORES PEOPLE!

    Unless they are talking about illegal hits the NFL needs to STFU about this bounty shit. Guys are getting paid a few hundred bucks extra to do their jobs? Color me fucking shocked.

    Every fucking coach in America with a set of ball tell his players to hit hard, to hit clean and to hit hard enough to knock the other guy out of the game. I'm usually a defender of Goodell but if he turns this into a jihad he's a bitch.
  24. MG2

    MG2 Still celebrating the Jim Schwartz era

    I don't think it's as big a deal as the media is making it out to be, or as big as the NFL is reportedly going to make it out to be, but I can understand the NFL's position. You don't want coaches of these organizations running these things. The NFL probably doesn't give a damn if the players do this stuff, as long as they (or anyone else) don't hear about it. The coaches running this stuff is a bigger deal for them, and it probably should be. In this situation, it seems the Saints were already warned to stop it and they didn't, which is probably making it a bigger deal for the NFL.

    I didn't think the Pats video taping stuff was that big a deal either, to be honest, but the NFL was pretty serious about that issue and put the hammer down. Seems this is another situation like that.
  25. Moxin24

    Moxin24 I'M TALKING ABOUT WHORES PEOPLE!

    I understand the PR side of it, and slapping some people on the wrist is fine. Its the righteousness coming from ESPN and NFL that drive me nuts. Like in a game where 250lbs LBs slam into 220lbs RBs each play, causing God knows how much long term damage in the process, that its beyond the pale guys would get a couple hundred bucks for big hits just pisses me off.
  26. MG2

    MG2 Still celebrating the Jim Schwartz era

    No disagreement from me on that. I don't watch ESPN or read articles about this on PFT when this kind of thing comes out because of what you talk about.
  27. DeToxRox

    DeToxRox Victim of the Rooney Rule

    Oh look you two aren't fighting. How cute.
  28. DeToxRox

    DeToxRox Victim of the Rooney Rule

    MG2 has a new player to love while Moxin24 has more reasons to hate

    Detroit Lions DE Lawrence Jackson talks about his growing interest in NFL analytics

    Published: Tuesday, March 06, 2012, 10:40 AM Updated: Tuesday, March 06, 2012, 10:48 AM

    [​IMG] By Justin Rogers | jrogers@mlive.com
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    [​IMG]AP File PhotoDetroit Lions DE Lawrence Jackson wraps up Denver Broncos QB Tim Tebow for one of his 4.5 sacks last season.
    Lawrence Jackson has been one of the most efficient players for the Detroit Lions since being acquired from the Seattle Seahawks for a sixth-round pick two years ago.
    Despite playing fewer than half the snaps of starters Cliff Avril and Kyle Vanden Bosch during that stretch, Jackson has accumulated 10.5 sacks, and has been the team's most effective defensive lineman against the run according to NFL analytics site Pro Football Focus.
    That production hasn't been lost on his teammates, who heaped praise on Jackson days before the start of the 2011 season.
    A few months earlier, PFF wrote a feature on Jackson, labeling him a secret superstar. The article caught Jackson's attention and got him more interested in the world of analytics, a path that led him to be a panelist at the MIT Sloan Sports Analytics Conference this past weekend.
    At the conference, Jackson sat down for a lengthy interview with Grantland. He talked about a number of topics including his budding interest in analytics, how the trend is being accepted across the NFL, his diverse interests and thirst for knowledge, and his nicknames, including LoJackrates (like the philosopher Socrates).
    Here's a small sample of the Q & A, but it's really worth reading the entire thing if you have the time.
    Do you get the sense that teams are looking at (analytics) too?
    I can't necessarily say whether or not Detroit does, because I don't really know how they operate in their front office, but I think to some degree every team has an idea of how analytics can help them, but there's variety in the depth. You look at what Paraag [Marathe, the 49ers COO] was saying in his panel. The depth of analytics coincides with the intelligence of the people running an organization, and whether or not this is something they feel they can adapt to and benefit from. Many sports, not just football, have kind of the macho meathead mentality where innovation is almost frowned upon.
    Sometimes it does seem like someone in a league front office, or a scout, can take it as almost a threat to the intellectual capital they feel they've accumulated over the years.
    As an athlete who is an intellectual, I deal with this a lot. People may feel like I might undermine whatever thought process the coaches generate. That's not the case. Part of being intellectual is knowing that you might have a different opinion than somebody else has. You might be in a certain position of the hierarchical order or on the totem pole, and it doesn't matter how you feel about it. I'm signing on to be an athlete and it's almost like Karl Marx's theory on capitalism. I am both the worker and the product. I'm choosing to be a part of this system, thus I'm choosing to be part of the conditions that are set in this system.​
    We probably shouldn't be too surprised by Jackson's wide-ranging interests. This is the same guy who told MLive.com in 2010 that one of his hidden talents was was writing poetry about the internal struggle. An appropriate topic for someone who studied philosophy, sociology and psychology in college.
  29. MG2

    MG2 Still celebrating the Jim Schwartz era

    I like that Jackson became interested in football analytics because he saw an article saying that those stats say he's good.
  30. DeToxRox

    DeToxRox Victim of the Rooney Rule

    Dr. Bob Anderson informed Mikel Leshoure that the running back's Achilles surgery was one of the better procedures he's performed and the injury is healing perfectly.

    Leshoure is regaining strength in his calf and Achilles. Although he's yet to run full-speed sprints or cuts, Leshoure's lower leg feels good after jogging and running half-gassers. Although he's making no guarantees on training camp, Leshoure insists he will be "100 percent to go" in time for the 2012 season opener.
  31. buckwild

    buckwild BUMP

    Skeptical Hippo that Leshoure will be 100% in time for the season opener.
  32. DeToxRox

    DeToxRox Victim of the Rooney Rule

    Schefter is reporting Best has already been cleared to participate in OTAs.
  33. MG2

    MG2 Still celebrating the Jim Schwartz era

    I'm in favor of placing Best in a bubble from now until opening day, and also never allowing anyone to hit him in any practice. Might be able to get four games out of him next year if we do that.
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  34. FAULK

    FAULK Courage is a kind of salvation.

    My God, the Lions' D would be so filthy with a legit lockdown CB.
  35. DeToxRox

    DeToxRox Victim of the Rooney Rule

  36. MG2

    MG2 Still celebrating the Jim Schwartz era

    I'm starting to worry a bit about the Calvin extension stuff. Seemed like both sides had motivation to get this done. That Fitzgerald deal is probably hurting us right now. Would love to lock him up long term with a cap number below $15 million this year, but I'm not sure how likely that is at this point.
  37. DeToxRox

    DeToxRox Victim of the Rooney Rule

    It is a big worry because if he is franchised next year he would make $26 mil, and if we decided to franchise him again in 2014 it would be $31 mil. Add in the fact that Stafford and Suh's contracts end after 2014 and you have a massive clusterfuck developing. All of this is why I don't agree with the organizations willingness to sign Avril to a potentially lucrative extension.
  38. MG2

    MG2 Still celebrating the Jim Schwartz era

    Completely agree on just about all fronts. Also, I don't know if Fairley can eventually put his name up there as an elite guy, but I think he'd be a FA at the same time as Suh and Stafford, as well.
  39. DeToxRox

    DeToxRox Victim of the Rooney Rule

  40. MG2

    MG2 Still celebrating the Jim Schwartz era

    That article mentions Sammie Hill some and gives him props at the end. I'm wondering if we're wasting a pretty good asset there in the role they have him in. I'd like to see us either move Corey Williams in order to get Hill more snaps, or see if maybe we can't move Hill for something good. He's a FA after next year, if I'm not mistaken.
  41. MG2

    MG2 Still celebrating the Jim Schwartz era

    Why PFT now sucks and is only going to get worse moving forward:

    Apparently speeding is PFT worthy now if it means Florio can drop a one-liner that bad on us at the end. Some of the comments after the story are gold. People around the country hate them some Suh.
  42. DeToxRox

    DeToxRox Victim of the Rooney Rule

    So Birkett reported we're 11 mil over the cap as of Friday. We have to be under by the start of FA so there is going to be some big decisions to make if we can't get some restructuring done.
  43. MG2

    MG2 Still celebrating the Jim Schwartz era

    It's weird that we haven't heard more about this leading up to FA. I'm sure they're hoping to fix a lot of that with a Calvin extension, but it would seem to be hard to get all the way down to the cap number (with at least a bit of room for another FA or two) without cutting a few people.
  44. DeToxRox

    DeToxRox Victim of the Rooney Rule

    Agreed. I know they have said they want to keep Corey and Nate but if they want to keep the tag on Avril and can't extend Calvin, well than they are going to have to make some tough decisions. I love Corey Williams, he's been sensational for this team, but it's probably time to trade him away or out right cut him. A Suh, Fairley and Hill rotation is still likely a top 3 DT rotation in the NFL so there is not going to be an extreme drop off in production from the position. Ditto with Burleson; he'll be the third best WR on the team next year anyway. There is an abundance of WR talent in FA so there are bargains to be had as well.

    The next 30 hours or so will be mighty interesting.
  45. Moxin24

    Moxin24 I'M TALKING ABOUT WHORES PEOPLE!

  46. DeToxRox

    DeToxRox Victim of the Rooney Rule

  47. DeToxRox

    DeToxRox Victim of the Rooney Rule

  48. DeToxRox

    DeToxRox Victim of the Rooney Rule

    Stafford and Suh restructuring are not shocking at all. Nate is basically restructuring to get one more season here because I am going to assume his money will be turned into bonuses he won't get a chance to reach next season.
  49. DeToxRox

    DeToxRox Victim of the Rooney Rule

  50. ~ taylor ~

    ~ taylor ~ Иф ыоу хавеньт хеард, Мичиган ис бацк.

    So now we're $4M or so under the cap?

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