DotA 2: -APEM pros only go fast!

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  1. miles

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    Tide
     
  2. LuPoor

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    Legion Commander
     
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  3. DEAD7

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    Hands down.
     
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  4. BrickTamland

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    All are pretty bad or at least incredibly situational. I'm still going with Jakiro, not sure how you could argue otherwise.
     
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  5. LuPoor

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    Because legion commander's aghs actually makes the skill worse. A trivial improvement is still better than that.
     
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  6. BrickTamland

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    Forgot they changed it from being a perpetual dual.
     
  7. miles

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    Phoenix aghs deserves a shout out as well
     
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  8. BrickTamland

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    HEY DEAD7 SHUT UP NO ON ASKED YOU YOU DONT EVEN DOTO ANYMORE.
     
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  9. BrickTamland

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    Fuck your ninja-edit, miles.
     
  10. miles

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    haha, I had the same thought process as you, forgot LC's aghs was changed because I never play him.
     
  11. LuPoor

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    How could upping AoE, DPS and duration possibly be the worst aghs in the game? Just a reminder that LC aghs makes the opponent literally impervious to all damage sources on your team other than the LC. It's fucking stupid.
     
  12. miles

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    See above post
     
  13. LuPoor

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    I don't think Phoenix aghs is bad at all. I have a friend who plays a shitload of Phoenix with a 58% win rate and he gets it every game. It's a risky item, but you can bring a teammate from the brink of death to full HP.
     
  14. miles

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    There's probably a skill gap issue here.

    In my shitty level of mmr I've seen about 5 people get it and it's resulted in basically a game losing teamfight every time.
     
  15. Name P. Redacted

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    LC agh is up there on worst agh.
     
  16. RonBurgundy

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    Earth Spirit.
     
  17. miles

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  18. skiedfrillet

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    oh man 7min
     
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    that was so good wombo combo
     
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  20. swiggle

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    Holy shit at both those plays
     
  21. LuPoor

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    Today in NA qualifiers I saw the most cancerous strat I've ever seen. You need a Kunkka and a Tinker. Once Kunkka gets level 4 X he goes to the fountain and stays there. Every time Tinker returns to fountain, Kunkka casts X on him so that if he gets ganked and might die, you immediately recall Tinker. Thankfully they were not rewarded with a win for this bullshit.
     
  22. J.R. Bob Dobbs

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    that's an antique strategy that used to be used during the height of the tinker cancer.
     
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  23. RonBurgundy

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    We should 5 man the level 1 rosh and push all mid and take racks/towers at 6 minutes strat.

    and if we fail then we all feed and lose at 10 minutes.

    New Riki post patch + tranqs = pub cancer in garbage tier, love it.
     
  24. RonBurgundy

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    WTF and Fails of the week are usually hilarious.

    Also: Elder Titan post patch now at 60% win rate in <2.5k brackets, and even 57% in 5k+ bracket.
     
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  25. miles

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    might need to do some ET now. Always seemed fun, just wonky as hell.
     
  26. miles

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    been working on puck who is also fun. I'm terrible at timing phase shifts though.
     
  27. Name P. Redacted

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    production value on WTF is way higher than Fails
     
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  28. RonBurgundy

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    Memes enormously funnier too, even with slacks on fails.
     
  29. Name P. Redacted

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    i don't find slacks funny anymore, but WTF has way better memes i agree
     
  30. miles

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    -Team needs a hard carry for last pick
    -Picks PA against team of which every hero has a stun
    -Doesn't buy BKB
    - -25 mmr
     
  31. miles

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  32. LuPoor

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    Slacks is fucking awful. The only time I mute a game is when he's doing commentary.
     
  33. BrickTamland

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    Forever team omnislacks voice pack.
     
  34. RonBurgundy

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    I find slacks funny in moderate increments. During ESL Manilla they actually had a great setup with Tobi, Purge and him, so the other 2 did a normal cast and he just randomly threw in jokes/memes, but it was in small amounts so it worked well.
     
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  35. BrickTamland

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    If I support, we mostly win.

    If I don't support, we always lose.

    So is doto.
     
  36. RonBurgundy

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    after you rage quit we decimated the next team in a stomp.
     
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  37. Skiddly

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    I went KOTL mid. Dagon/veil rush.
     
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    Which one of you fine gentlemen was it that said they would help me when I was ready to build myself a new PC?
     
  39. J.R. Bob Dobbs

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    logicalincrements.com
     
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  40. RonBurgundy

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    Goodness I love Riki in pubs. Even with my fucking horrible team ( miles can confirm), I can always managed a positive KD ratio and usually control mid game with ganks.
     
  41. skiedfrillet

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    start out 6-1 as riki

    husk mid starts feeding the fuck out to pudge

    he ends up going 9-20

    good stuff
     
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  42. skiedfrillet

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    pick LC

    win game

    it's that simple, folks
     
  43. miles

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    hello am shitfaced who wants to lose dota ggwp
     
  44. BrickTamland

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    Thinking about how to improve omni's laning, what about early basi and raindrops? I'm really going away from soul ring as it delays arcanes too much. Both should help you trade better in lane (magic absorb and armor, coupled with great mana regen.) Basi builds into your vlads.
     
  45. RonBurgundy

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    I love basi/late game vlads on omni, but obviously only if no one else on your team is building it. Otherwise a waste.

    Raindrops interesting idea
     
  46. skiedfrillet

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    pffft bad idea

    everyone knows best romney is:

    boots - drums - sny - win game
     
  47. LuPoor

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    Ehh I'm not sure. Raindrops are situationally very good, but I don't see the point if you're laning against a void or slardar who is only going to have physical damage. And soul ring only costs 50 gold more than basi + raindrops. Soul ring works as a decent farm accelerator on omni too, since you can purify into creep waves or neutral camps a lot more often.

    I think soul ring into arcane boots and then on from there is still the way to go, but I'm very old fashioned. If you're doing lane support, OOV and wind lace would be dope AF on him starting out.
     
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  48. BrickTamland

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    Fair points. Here's my thought on raindrops: it's all the mana regen from vlads for 225g. The longer you can hold it the more value you get. The same value points hood true for basi since it builds into a natural item.

    Taking a step back this predicated on being forced to play omni where he doesn't belong, as a 5.
     
  49. LuPoor

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    If this is a poverty omni, I think soul ring into arcanes becomes even more of a must. You need mana EXACTLY WHEN YOU NEED IT because you aren't going to be able to effect team fights through your items, and a burst regen item (which still passively boosts mana regen by 50%) becomes more important than a flat regen increase item.
     
  50. BrickTamland

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    Maybe I'm just averse to the idea of an item that doesn't build into anything I'd use on omni.

    Farming accelerant is really the sell for soul ring. With a 30s cool down, I'd argue you're not necessarily able to have mana "when you need it." It's not as though you're going to have two uses in an engagement.
     
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