Maybe we don't have the skill level yet to be any good, but since I've been following US Soccer more closely the past few years, it really seems that we have a losers mentality and obvious lack of confidence. How the fuck you don't bring in the German guy to address that very issue is beyond me.
Bruce got two because we balled out in 2002 and he deserved it Bob was 1 minute and 1 missed shot by Donovan from not advancing out of the group stages. After tonight he does not deserve to coach 2014
Yep, if I hear that excuse from USA soccer I'm going to be pissed. The rest of the teams are not good outside of Honduras, so making the final should happen every cycle
The announcers were praising Bradley for finally playing Adu, but its a joke given how Agudelo and Wondo have played that Adu didnt get a shot this whole tournament except for the last 2 games. Bornstein enough said, gave up all 4 goals today. the Gio shot he was ballwatching the entire time didnt even try to help. Also on the Gio shot, should Lichaj just caught the ball and taken the red card?
In hindsight, probably, but he thought he was going to be able to get a head to it and probably didn't have time to react once he realized it was to high.
I'm very interested to see if US Soccer is finally done with their little MLS experiment for head coaches. It's clearly not the answer but I wonder how many more WC and Gold Cup cycles we go through before we branch out for a top name international
i dont think he had an idea where exactly he was and where exactly the ball was going. it was a perfect strike. if i was in his position, i wouldve a) thought i could get my head on it or b) it was gonna sail over, so probably wouldn't have used my hands
This should be Wondos one and only international tournament he isn't good enough. Bornstein is just something else, how he gets so many chances to redeem himself yet he continues to suck is beyond me....
This. Also Boca doing an interview right now saying how inept the backline was/is "I put some of the blame on myself" no Boca just blame Bornstein....so terrible
this is the single thing that pisses me the most off about Bradley. Its obvious he plays favorites, but guys like Bornstein, Altidore, Kljestan and Wondo get dozens of chances to redeem themselves. Wondo missed a complete sitter and was rewarded with his first start in the next game. Meanwhile guys like Adu, Diskerud, Shea (though i still dont think he is USMNT level) for example get one game where they played like shit and they never play for us again.
if we had Holden, Chandler, and Dolo the rest of that game we beat Mexico imo But for real, what are the chances (if any) Bradley gets fired? And why is Gulati so afraid to fire him? Money?
I think he wants to prove to the world we can do it by ourselves and don't need to go outside for coaching. At this point it's clear we have plateaued and need help getting up again
Thank you, exactly. Clark is rewarded with his awful performances by getting the opportunity to knock us out of the world cup. Findley fucking findley started WC games for us never scoring a goal. Hell Bedoya only got called up because Feilhaber was injured. He played like shit today im sure we never see him again. And there are numerous other guys in our pool who never get a chance. Bunbury, Mccarty. Dax McCarty is playing great with DC United and has done ok in the few games he has appeared with the USMNT
Grades are up: http://espn.go.com/sports/soccer/news/_/id/6704737/mexico-beats-us-win-gold-cup-soccer
LMAO "D, Jonathan Bornstein, 2: Took over for Lichaj on the left after he moved to right to replace Cherundolo. Bornstein was dreadful, completely failing at all his defensive tasks." He never gives anyone a 2...fucking Bob Bradley how do you not put in Spector my god
fuck, the last couple pages have me depressed as shit for the next WCQ cycle need to put the soccer board twitter to use and start a #firebobbradley thing
The one thing that I take from all of this... Mexico finally has a competent coach and system in place. Even though we got the better of them for most of the last decade or so, they have always been a more talented team. Guys like Guardado, Chicharito, and even Dos Santos are just guys we don't have right now. Bob Bradley is a decent coach who works/tries hard. He's not capable of taking this team any further than he already has. He is limited by the personnel though, we simply have no forwards and only a couple decent defenders(and Cherundolo won't be around in 2014 in all likelihood). Holden and Dempsey were the only 2 Americans to really have strong seasons in Europe at a high level and Holden missed the tournament(though he would have played in front of Jones, not Michael Bradley I think). Michael Bradley has really regressed in the last year, had a poor first half for Gladbach, couldn't get a game at Aston Villa, and totally sucked ass during this tournament. We need new ideas and a coach who isn't afraid to shake things up with his regulars.
yeah I mean Bradley has done better than some on here (me included) give him credit for. But we've definitely stagnated and need some fresh blood at the helm. Not sure if this solves any of our problems but it couldn't hurt.
Howard's pissed the ceremony was in Spanish. http://sports.espn.go.com/los-angeles/soccer/news/story?id=6705473
He should be pissed by how shitty he played. And I'm saying this even though he's a Toffee. It was complete shit.
was this the only way to qualify for the confederations cup? sorry if it's common knowledge. It would have been nice to get a run in brazil before the world cup...man some day the U.S is going to win the world cup...hopefully in my lifetime...lol
I think Bradley will be ready to lead the U.S. to the World Cup with another 25-30 years of experience.
If you are looking for some laughs... http://bleacherreport.com/articles/748575-us-soccer-addressing-the-demands-for-bob-bradleys-firing
I think anyone who tries to say "My parents immigrated here from Mexico, I was born here, they gave my dad a job and I've grown up in the United States, but fuck all that cause I'm rooting for Mexico" is dead wrong. Immigrants were what founded America and makes it a special place and by no means anyone should disregard their heritage or customs when they come here. But, this is your country now, why are you rooting against it? Guess we have to reach another generation in that lineage before the US starts to earn that support. Don't judge things on colors alone Many wore green at the Rose Bowl, but the stories behind the jerseys run deeper PASADENA, Calif. -- Ninety-three thousand fans jammed the Rose Bowl in Pasadena for Saturday's Gold Cup final between the United States and Mexico and at least 85 percent of them were cheering for Mexico. For the U.S. side, it was expected. For fans of the U.S. team watching at home, it must have been a bit jarring; a sea of green in a stadium that has hosted some of America's proudest sporting moments. But this was no road game for the United States, no home-field disadvantage. This was the best of Los Angeles. And, as it would turn out after Mexico's 4-2 comeback win and Giovani dos Santos' goal for the ages, the best of soccer in this region, no matter which side you were supporting. A lot of people will misinterpret U.S. goalkeeper Tim Howard's criticism of CONCACAF officials for announcing the entire postgame ceremony in Spanish as commentary on the crowd inside the stadium. A lot more will take what Howard said and misguidedly turn it into a political statement. That's a shame, because that's neither what Howard meant, nor what this day was about. For 90 minutes Saturday, the U.S. and Mexico played a wildly entertaining game of soccer. And in the 76th minute, dos Santos rewarded everyone with a special goal. Howard was on the humiliating end of the goal as he flailed not once, but twice, trying to snatch the ball from Dos Santos' magic boots before the talented striker deftly pulled the ball away from him, dribbled toward the center of the field and sent a perfect left-footed shot over the head of U.S. defender Eric Lichaj. "It was one of those special goals," U.S. coach Bob Bradley said afterward. "That fourth goal took any of our momentum away." Howard collapsed to the ground in disgust and despair. Lichaj stayed down on his stomach, motionless. Soccer Blog French Scott French covers the Southern California soccer scene and beyond for ESPNLA.com. Football Futbol Soccer » It was painful for U.S. fans to watch, and yet, beautiful, in the same way it was so heartening to watch the way the crowd behaved Saturday. To judge the crowd on the jerseys and colors they wore would be superficial. Each fan had a story and the more of them I talked to, the more I heard about American dreams that had been fulfilled. Hector Herrera attended Saturday's game with his parents Aurelio and Teresa, who were wearing Mexico jerseys, and his sons Jason and Hector Jr., who were wearing U.S. jerseys. Hector, a real estate agent from Riverside, broke the family tie. He wore green. "We're proud Americans, but we have Mexican blood," he explained. "This is where we live, this is where we work, this is our life, but we're Mexican blood and we're proud of the fact that Mexico is doing well right now. "But for me, whoever wins today is good." He meant it, too. This country has been good to his family. Aurelio, his father, came here from Guadalajara as a young man in 1967. He worked for a year at La Gloria Tortillas first, then found a job at a mattress factory that allowed him to save enough to bring Teresa here three years later. For the first 12 years, they lived in an apartment in downtown Los Angeles. "We used to have to jump over rats to get into our front door," Hector said. "But my dad kept working and here we are now." In 1979, Aurelio had saved enough to put a down payment on a house in Bell. "That changed everything," Hector said. "That started everything for us." [+] EnlargeCouple at the Gold Cup Ramona Shelburne/ESPNLA.comThere were plenty of fans of both the U.S. and Mexico, including this couple who split their loyalties. Hector went to Cerritos College for a while, then got his real estate license. His oldest son Jason, 18, attends Riverside Community College and plans to be a physical therapist one day. I'm sure there are those who will judge Hector Herrera and his family for wearing green and supporting Mexico, instead of the side representing the country that has given them so much. But that's as wrong as interpreting Howard's statement as an indictment of the pro-Mexico crowd, instead of a narrow criticism of the short-sighted CONCACAF officials who failed to offer an English version of the postgame ceremony. It's possible to love both countries, just as it's possible to love a wildly-entertaining game of soccer in which the home team suffered through an epic collapse and was on the wrong end of an epic goal. America is a place where everyone was from somewhere else first. It is at its best when that becomes a common ground, not a dividing line. Saturday afternoon, 93,420 fans came together to watch the biggest even in Los Angeles this summer. They cheered loudly and left peacefully, for the most part. Officials announced there were only 26 arrests, a staggeringly low number for a crowd of this size. They were treated to a fantastic soccer match. Who cares what colors they were wearing.
Let's look at Bob Bradley's reign 2007 12 wins 5 losses 1 tie, 2007 Gold Cup Champions, disaster in Copa America, 2-0 record against Mexico Jan. 20, 2007 U.S. Men vs. Denmark 3-1 W Donovan, Bornstein, Cooper The Home Depot Center Carson, Calif. 10,048 Feb. 7, 2007 U.S. Men vs. Mexico 2-0 W Conrad, Donovan University of Phoenix Stadium Glendale, Ariz. 62,462 March 25, 2007 U.S. Men vs. Ecuador 3-1 W Donovan (3) Raymond James Stadium Tampa, Fla. 31,547 March 28, 2007 U.S. Men vs. Guatemala 0-0 T -- Pizza Hut Park Frisco, Texas 10,932 June 2, 2007 U.S. Men vs. China PR 4-1 W Beasley, Feilhaber, Dempsey, Onyewu Spartan Stadium San Jose, Calif. 20,821 June 7, 2007 U.S. Men vs. Guatemala 1-0 W Dempsey The Home Depot Center Carson, Calif. 21,334 June 9, 2007 U.S. Men vs. Trinidad & Tobago 2-0 W Ching, Johnson The Home Depot Center Carson, Calif. 27,000 June 12, 2007 U.S. Men vs. El Salvador 4-0 W Beasley (2), Donovan, Twellman Gillette Stadium Foxborough, Mass. 26,523 June 16, 2007 U.S. Men vs. Panama 2-1 W Donovan, Bocanegra Gillette Stadium Foxborough, Mass. 22,412 June 21, 2007 U.S. Men vs. Canada 2-1 W Hejduk, Donovan Soldier Field Chicago, Ill. 50,760 June 24, 2007 U.S. Men vs. Mexico 2-1 W Donovan, Feilhaber Soldier Field Chicago, Ill. 60,000 June 28, 2007 U.S. Men vs. Argentina 1-4 L Johnson Estadio Jose Panchencho Romero Maracaibo 34,500 July 2, 2007 U.S. Men vs. Paraguay 1-3 L Clark Estadio Agustin Tovar Barinas, Venezuela 25,000 July 5, 2007 U.S. Men vs. Colombia 0-1 L -- Estadio Metropolitano Barquisimeto, Venezuela 35,000 Aug. 22, 2007 U.S. Men vs. Sweden 0-1 L -- Ullevi Stadium Göteborg, Sweden 20,648 Sep. 9, 2007 U.S. Men vs. Brazil 2-4 L Bocanegra, Dempsey Soldier Field Chicago, Ill. 43,543 Oct. 17, 2007 U.S. Men vs. Switzerland 1-0 W Bradley St. Jakob Park Basel, Switzerland 16,500 Nov. 17, 2007 U.S. Men vs. South Africa 1-0 W 2008 9 wins 3 losses 2 ties, 1 tie against Mexico an. 19, 2008 U.S. Men vs. Sweden 2-0 W Robinson, Donovan The Home Depot Center Carson, Calif. 14,878 Feb. 6, 2008 U.S. Men vs. Mexico 2-2 T Onyewu, Altidore Reliant Stadium Houston, Texas 70,103 March 26, 2008 U.S. Men vs. Poland 3-0 W Bocanegra, Onyewu, Lewis Wisla Stadium Krakow, Poland 20,000 May 28, 2008 U.S. Men vs. England 0-2 L -- Wembley Stadium London, England 71,222 June 4, 2008 U.S. Men vs. Spain 0-1 L -- Estadio El Sardinero Santander, Spain 14,232 June 8, 2008 U.S. Men vs. Argentina 0-0 T -- Giants Stadium E. Rutherford, N.J. 78,682 June 15, 2008 U.S. Men vs. Barbados 8-0 W Dempsey (2), Bradley, Ching (2), Donovan, Own Goal, Johnson The Home Depot Center Carson, Calif. 11,476 June 22, 2008 U.S. Men vs. Barbados 1-0 W Lewis Kensington Oval Bridgetown, Barbados 2,000 Aug. 20, 2008 U.S. Men vs. Guatemala 1-0 W Bocanegra Estadio Mateo Flores Guatemala City, Guatemala 25,000 Sep. 6, 2008 U.S. Men vs. Cuba 1-0 W Dempsey Estadio Pedro Marrero Havana, Cuba n/a Sep. 10, 2008 U.S. Men vs. Trinidad & Tobago 3-0 W Bradley, Dempsey, Ching Toyota Park Bridgeview, Ill. 11,452 Oct. 11, 2008 U.S. Men vs. Cuba 6-1 W Beasley (2), Donovan, Ching, Altidore, Onyewu RFK Stadium Washington, D.C. 20,293 Oct. 15, 2008 U.S. Men vs. Trinidad & Tobago 1-2 L Davies Hasely Crawford Stadium Port of Spain, Trinidad 18,000 Nov. 19, 2008 U.S. Men vs. Guatemala 2-0 W 2009 13 wins 8 losses 3 ties, 1-2 against Mexico, blowout loss in the Gold Cup, barely qualified out of our group at the Confed Cup, huge win over Spain Jan. 24, 2009 U.S. Men vs. Sweden 3-2 W Kljestan (3) The Home Depot Center Carson, Calif. 9,918 Feb. 11, 2009 U.S. Men vs. Mexico * 2-0 W Bradley (2) Columbus Crew Stadium Columbus, Ohio 23,776 March 28, 2009 U.S. Men vs. El Salvador * 2-2 T Altidore, Hejduk Estadio Cuzcatlan San Salvador 30,500 April 1, 2009 U.S. Men vs. Trinidad & Tobago * 3-0 W Altidore (3) LP Field Nashville, Tenn. 27,959 June 3, 2009 U.S. Men vs. Costa Rica * 1-3 L Donovan Estadio Ricardo Saprissa San Jose, Costa Rica 19,200 June 6, 2009 U.S. Men vs. Honduras * 2-1 W Donovan, Bocanegra Soldier Field Chicago, Ill. 55,647 June 15, 2009 U.S. Men vs. Italy # 1-3 L Donovan Loftus Versfeld Tshwane/Pretoria, South Africa 34,341 June 18, 2009 U.S. Men vs. Brazil # 0-3 L -- Loftus Versfeld Tshwane/Pretoria, South Africa 39,617 June 21, 2009 U.S. Men vs. Egypt # 3-0 W Davies, Bradley, Dempsey Royal Bafokeng Stadium Rustenburg, South Africa 23,140 June 24, 2009 U.S. Men vs. Spain # 2-0 W Altidore, Dempsey Free State Stadium Manguang/Bloemfontein, South Africa 35,396 June 28, 2009 U.S. Men vs. Brazil # 2-3 L Dempsey, Donovan Ellis Park Johannesburg 52,291 July 4, 2009 U.S. Men vs. Grenada ^ 4-0 W Adu, Holden, Rogers, Davies Qwest Field Seattle, Wash. 15,387 July 8, 2009 U.S. Men vs. Honduras ^ 2-0 W Quaranta, Ching RFK Stadium Washington, D.C. 26,079 July 11, 2009 U.S. Men vs. Haiti ^ 2-2 T Arnaud, Holden Gillette Stadium Foxborough, Mass. 24,137 July 18, 2009 U.S. Men vs. Panama ^ 2-1 W (OT) Beckerman, Cooper Lincoln Financial Field Philadelphia, Pa. 31,087 July 23, 2009 U.S. Men vs. Honduras ^ 2-0 W Goodson, Cooper Soldier Field Chicago, Ill. 55,173 July 26, 2009 U.S. Men vs. Mexico ^ 0-5 L -- Giants Stadium E. Rutherford, N.J. 79,156 Aug. 12, 2009 U.S. Men vs. Mexico * 1-2 L Davies Estadio Azteca Mexico City Sep. 5, 2009 U.S. Men vs. El Salvador * 2-1 W Dempsey, Altidore Rio Tinto Stadium Sandy, Utah Sep. 9, 2009 U.S. Men vs. Trinidad & Tobago * 1-0 W Clark Hasely Crawford Stadium Port of Spain, Trinidad Oct. 10, 2009 U.S. Men vs. Honduras * 3-2 W Casey (2), Donovan Estadio Olimpico San Pedro Sula, Honduras 37,000 Oct. 14, 2009 U.S. Men vs. Costa Rica * 2-2 T Bradley, Bornstein RFK Stadium Washington, D.C. Nov. 14, 2009 U.S. Men vs. Slovakia 0-1 L -- Tehelne Pole Bratislava, Slovakia Nov. 18, 2009 U.S. Men vs. Denmark 1-3 L 2010 5 wins 5 losses 4 ties, barely qualified for knockout stage of WC on last second goal, crashed out against Ghana Jan. 23, 2010 U.S. Men vs. Honduras 1-3 L Goodson The Home Depot Center Carson, Calif. 18,626 Feb. 24, 2010 U.S. Men vs. El Salvador 2-1 W Ching, Kljestan Raymond James Stadium Tampa, Fla. 21,737 March 3, 2010 U.S. Men vs. Netherlands 1-2 L Bocanegra Amsterdam ArenA Amsterdam, Netherlands 46,630 May 25, 2010 U.S. Men vs. Czech Republic 2-4 L Edu, Gomez Rentschler Field East Hartford, Conn. 36,218 May 29, 2010 U.S. Men vs. Turkey 2-1 W Altidore, Dempsey Lincoln Financial Field Philadelphia, Pa. 55,407 June 5, 2010 U.S. Men vs. Australia 3-1 W Buddle (2), Gomez Ruimsig Stadium Roodepoort, South Africa n/a June 12, 2010 U.S. Men vs. England 1-1 T Dempsey Royal Bafokeng Stadium Rustenburg, South Africa 38,646 June 18, 2010 U.S. Men vs. Slovenia 2-2 T Donovan, Bradley Ellis Park Johannesburg 45,573 June 23, 2010 U.S. Men vs. Algeria 1-0 W Donovan Loftus Versfeld Tshwane/Pretoria, South Africa 35,827 June 26, 2010 U.S. Men vs. Ghana 1-2 L (OT) Donovan Royal Bafokeng Stadium Rustenburg, South Africa 34,976 Aug. 10, 2010 U.S. Men vs. Brazil 0-2 L -- New Meadowlands Stadium E. Rutherford, N.J. 77,223 Oct. 9, 2010 U.S. Men vs. Poland 2-2 T Altidore, Onyewu Soldier Field Chicago, Ill. 31,696 Oct. 12, 2010 U.S. Men vs. Colombia 0-0 T -- PPL Park Chester, Pa. 8,823 Nov. 17, 2010 U.S. Men vs. South Africa 1-0 Agudelo 2011 4 wins 4 losses 2 ties, 2nd big Gold Cup loss to Mexico Jan. 22, 2011 U.S. Men vs. Chile 1-1 T Bunbury The Home Depot Center Carson, Calif. 18,580 March 26, 2011 U.S. Men vs. Argentina 1-1 T Agudelo New Meadowlands Stadium E. Rutherford, N.J. 78,936 March 29, 2011 U.S. Men vs. Paraguay 0-1 L -- LP Field Nashville, Tenn. 29,059 June 4, 2011 U.S. Men vs. Spain 0-4 L -- Gillette Stadium Foxborough, Mass. 64,121 June 7, 2011 U.S. Men vs. Canada 2-0 W Altidore, Dempsey Ford Field Detroit, Mich. 28,209 June 11, 2011 U.S. Men vs. Panama 1-2 L Goodson Raymond James Stadium Tampa, Fla. 27,731 June 14, 2011 U.S. Men vs. Guadeloupe 1-0 W Altidore LIVESTRONG Sporting Park Kansas City, Kan. 20,109 June 19, 2011 U.S. Men vs. Jamaica 2-0 W Jones, Dempsey RFK Stadium Washington, D.C. 45,423 June 22, 2011 U.S. Men vs. Panama 1-0 W Dempsey Reliant Stadium Houston, Texas June 25, 2011 U.S. Men vs. Mexico 2-4 L Bradley, Donovan 43 wins 25 losses 12 ties over 5 years I see one tournament championship, a lot of luck, huge win against Spain, two bad losses to Mexico in Gold Cups and a shitload of padded win totals against CONCACAF opponents and not enough progress against Euro teams in our skill level
When you look at the resume of Bradley like that, game by game, it looks terrible. All we're doing is (mostly) beating the teams we should, with an occasional surprise thrown in and a balanced record v. Mexico. As one of the largest nations in the world, we have to do better.
Watched SC this morning and Bornstein basically blamed his performance on not getting much playing time in the other matches in the gold cup. To me it seems like the USSF is perfectly content with the way things currently are. We will always make the WC since CONCACAF is garbage, we may advance to the knockout stages every once in a while, and it seems like the USSF considers that a success. They get into the WC every year and they dont have to pay the HC much and can control all of his decisions. Many others have said it in this thread, but we always whoop the Belizes and Trinidads of the world, we never beat any of the top teams in the world (always lose to Brazil, Spain was a fluke, France, etc), and usually lose to teams with a comparable talent level to us. Teams like Egypt, Poland, etc. Mexico got dominated by us in the early 2000s, and were tired of it so they got a new coach, developed a solid young crop of players, and now had a solid performance in the WC and have beaten us 9-2 in our last 2 matches vs them.
I hate the Mexican team as much as any in sports, but I can respect them for admitting that they needed to get better and changing their philosophy and dynamic in order to accomplish that.
Disgraceful? No. Desperate? Yes. None of it was disgraceful. Bornstein was horrendous. But, he wasn't disgraceful. He's just wasn't good enough. Howard looked bad. But he's good enough. He got put in several shitty situations, and wasn't able to muster the heroics that people wanted. But, when a guy has five different ways he can score, just by himself, the keeper's going to look bad.