Gun Control Debate Thread: So we don't trash the Texas Thread

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  1. Redav

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    I'm sure there are a bunch of people that would act responsibly with a nuclear weapon. That doesn't mean they should be allowed for civilian use.
     
  2. RWisoursavior

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    It isn't an either or situation. Reducing guns in America would reduce homicides/suicides and gun violence. Addressing mental health problems would reduce homicides/suicides and gun violence.

    Both are issues this country needs to deal with, not one or the other.
     
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  3. Dennis Reynolds

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    When there is an amendment in the constitution about nuclear weapons, the issue can be considered. As it stands, the constitution gives us the right to own firearms.
     
  4. Redav

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    And the constitution is designed to be changed.
     
  5. Dennis Reynolds

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    I realize it is not an either/or. Untreated mental illness contributes to the issue of gun violence. While there are exceptions, an argument could be made that the vast majority of suicides occur in mentally ill patients. No one brings up gun control when there is an inner city shooting. Gun control arguments usually happen after a person commits a mass killing. Usually that person is mentally ill. The mental illness issue compounds the gun control issue. A civil rights issue would occur if the mentally ill were discriminated against and were not allowed to own weapons.. The whole situation is a mess. Such a small percentage of gun owners commit these crimes, yet we consistently say that guns are the issue instead of the person using the gun. The truly tragic gun issues occur when children accidentally discharge a firearm that they should not be able to access within a home.
     
  6. shawnoc

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    How can you have a "well regulated militia" without at least one nuke to keep the other guys honest?
    (Also, it just says "arms", it doesn't specify what type of armament you can keep.)
     
  7. Dennis Reynolds

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    When it is changed, I will act accordingly. I am a law abiding citizen. The criminals and people with a desire to mass kill might not choose to do the same. Considering that they would actually have to respect and follow the law to make if effective, I have my doubts that changing the constitution will reduce these tragedies.
     
  8. RWisoursavior

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    There is no amendment in the constitution. There is an amendment to the constitution.

    The next amendment is the right to not quarter soldier's. You have to understand that the Bill of Rights was written over 200 years ago and the purpose of owning a firearm has changed since then.


    This is just rambling. Yes, a small percentage of gun owners commit these crimes, but a large percentage of crime is committed with guns.
     
  9. Dennis Reynolds

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    Crimes are absolutely committed with guns. How many of them were obtained legally? This discussion can go in circles constantly and get nowhere. I have no issue admitting that crimes are committed with guns of all types. I also think that controlling guns will only keep the people that are already using them properly from enjoying them. I apologize that I have no desire to give up any portion of my right to own a weapon. Yes, the purpose has changed for owning a weapon. I now own weapons for personal protection and for recreation during hunting season. Last week a person in my field was held at gunpoint for 3 hours in a hostage situation. My purpose for owning and carrying a weapon might be different from some of the people that want guns to be more controlled. I own almost all of the weapons that people seem to think are so dangerous. I will never be involved in a gun crime and I am far more likely to have my guns stolen than I am to actually use them.
     
  10. Frank Martin

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    Might want to reread the second amendment. nuclear weapons are arms as well.

    But most of us would agree that isn't what is meant by the second amendment. The same way it doesn't mean you're free to run around with guns.
     
  11. RWisoursavior

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    What?

    Are you saying yes there are many flaws to gun ownership but I don't care because I like having them?
     
  12. Dennis Reynolds

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    Not at all. I am saying that the reasons to own guns have in fact changed since the mass production of weapons made them more readily available. Conversely, I happen to own most of the guns that are on the list that the media seems to hate and contrary to popular belief, owning an AR will not make me shoot up a school.
     
  13. Redav

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    But if you decided to shoot up a school, an AR would make it much easier.
     
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  14. Merica

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    Pointing out mental health is such a cop out now.

    Yeah obviously a crazy person is the only type that would do something like this. But if they don't have the tools to succeed it doesn't fucking matter.

    And on the whole big bad government aspect, isn't the gov't getting to decide who is too crazy to own a gun kind just as Orwellian as making sure no one has them?
     
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  15. Redav

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    It's worse. You're asking them to use judgement in one.
     
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  16. Dennis Reynolds

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    I think a handgun would be better for close range due to the ease of handling the weapon. I think that a person that wanted to maximize damage would get a long range scope and rifle and a high vantage point.

    People want to make the AR more deadly than it is. A trained person is dangerous with any firearm. I personally cannot understand why people that shoot up public places choose to use the AR. For reference, the guy that shot up the church used a .45 which would be pretty tough at close range.
     
  17. Cornfed Buffalo

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    Sounds like you've put too much thought into this. Where can I contact your local authorities?
     
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  18. Dennis Reynolds

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    This is a point that I have considered. Is it currently a violation of rights to regulate gun ownership rights of people with mental illness? I cannot think of an appropriate answer. Is that a discriminatory practice or an exercise in the best interest of public safety?

    If everyone was reasonable and fit to own weapons, guns would be a minor contributor to the crime rate. How does a country make that determination?
     
  19. Dennis Reynolds

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    I just hunt on a regular basis. Shooting a handgun and being accurate on a moving target more than 10 yards away is nothing but luck or excellent training. On the other hand, anyone on this board could shot an unsuspecting target at 300 yards with the right scope and gun. At 50 yards, the same person would hit 8/10 if they had never shot a rifle.
     
  20. RWisoursavior

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    We limit rights everyday.

    I can't go as say false things about people, that's libel. Why is everyone pissed about wiki leaks? Isn't there freedom of the press? Why would I be arrested for saying I'm going to murder a political figure, isn't there freedom of speech? Why can't I own a Gatling gun, isn't there a right the bear arms?

    Americans like to pound and exercise their rights... until they don't.
     
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  21. RWisoursavior

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    If you agree that hanguns should be banned and hunting rifles legal then we can agree.
     
  22. TTgator91

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    WE dont need these AR's in the streets...dont nobody need them unless you goin to war. you dont need no SKS for home safety.
     
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  23. Artoo

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    You realize that whole system centers on mandatory military service, right? You cannot have mandatory service in the US, the size of the military would be ridiculous.
     
  24. Randy Bobandi

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    Why focus on "AR's"? They represent such a tiny slice of gun crime in America.
     
  25. jokewood

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    Society really should do something about mental health care. Other than pay for it, I mean.
     
  26. TTgator91

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    Seen them bitches fly....wouldnt of cared less 10 years ago tbqh here but everyone Ive seen, belongs to a crazy fuck. But you're a million percent right tho Randy. hard to stop mass shooting or murder in a blink of a eye. Now we all know, if the American Gov't did establish a no gun law....they still coming cross the border.
     
  27. TTgator91

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    I remember having the same talks here with folks just after the Sandy Hook school shootings..... sadly it didnt stop there and its hard honestly to say it won happen in 2 minutes or 2 months from now. I dont make the rules. but long as you got your gun license....you good. Is that right? yeah I think so...so we have been taught.
     
  28. J.R. Bob Dobbs

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    we have a similar system in the underfunded and under utilitzed civilian marksmanship program
     
  29. Daniel Ocean

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    I've found shotguns are the best for close range fights.
     
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  30. AIOLICOCK

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  32. wes tegg

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  33. wes tegg

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    It says "bear arms" without qualification. Nuclear weapons are arms.
     
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  34. wes tegg

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    And the Sumpreme Court has changed the interpretation of the Second Amendment dozens of times.
     
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  35. AIOLICOCK

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    I am. I've talked about it in the left thread.
     
  36. Bill the Butcher

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    So because you are unable to control yourself, you should determine if I am allowed to have a gun.........

    And lol at no one taking Merica and his "people dont maintain their guns......." You can tell this guy has never been around a gun in his life. I bet he has a shared facebook page.
     
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  37. AptosDuck

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    I've owned ten firearms for over twenty years, and I agree with just about everything he's posted in this thread.
     
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  38. Bill the Butcher

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  39. RWisoursavior

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    MarineTodd how do you view guns in our society?
     
  40. Bill the Butcher

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    Oh shit we have the editor of some Wisconsin paper(the online edition) checking in.

    I think the only problem is dipshits like Aptos that apparently fire their gun then just put it away without cleaning it. That and people like Redav that arent able to make sound decisions but believe they can make them for me.
     
  41. Beachy Toast

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  42. AptosDuck

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    That was about as well reasoned and articulate a response as I was expecting.

    He was still shitting his diapers when I was going full-auto on sporting clays and firing my friend's homemade 3" cannon broadside off his stakebed truck in the Cali high desert, but yeah, no self-respecting gun owner with BALLS could possibly think that there needs to be tighter restrictions on firearms in this country.
     
  43. wes tegg

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    Whose hilarious parody account is this one?
     
  44. AIOLICOCK

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    KALECOCK
     
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  45. RWisoursavior

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    It was the Wisconsin State Journal if you'd like to look them up.

    You also failed to answer my question.
     
  46. Bill the Butcher

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    So you agree with him saying most gun owners dont maintain their guns?
     
  47. Bill the Butcher

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    Well that makes a huge difference, thanks for clarifying.

    And I answered it. A non issue.
     
  48. Merica

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    I have 4 rifles and a shotgun in my house. My dad was a hunting safety instructor and I was a part of a state champion skeet shooting team.

    I'm just not a fucking idiot who can't see why these instruments might not be good for the stability of a society. Particularly handguns.
     
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  49. AIOLICOCK

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    Is Marine Todd former user Matt Smith?
     
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  50. RWisoursavior

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    Why is it a non issue? Why do you think people are overblowing these gun control ideas?