Jacksonville Jaguars - Orange is the New Black

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  1. kennypowers

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    Yeah I remember it being brought up when the Panthers went with 7 wins. It's a fair rule.
     
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  2. THE REAL GUBBERJK

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    look your choice gubbs hot list.
    Vernon hargreeves 3
    joey bosa - big at either de/olb cross trained
    Robert nkemidiche - big at either dt/de cross trained
    laremy tonsil - ot
    Ronnie Stanley - ot
    Jalen ramsey - big at either cb/s cross trained .
    vadal alexander - big at either g/ot cross trained .
    those are the top choices for us .
    now gubbs prime players
    josh doctson
    miles jack
    Jeremy cash
    jake McGee
    all great value for the jaguars
    we need a good te.
    we need a great cb /s
    we need great o+d - lineman.
     
  3. kennypowers

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    Can we please cut gratz
     
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  4. Xander Crews

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    This chargers team is banged up and terrible. Jags are bad and should feel bad.
     
  5. kennypowers

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  6. kennypowers

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    Defense is who I thought they were
     
  7. kennypowers

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    Fuck everything. Fucking losing bunch of assholes.
     
  8. dblplay1212

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  9. Big Meech

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  10. kennypowers

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    This team sucks
     
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  11. kennypowers

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    AR15 is the realest tho
     
  12. Xander Crews

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    Hell of a 3rd quarter for the Jags
     
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  13. dblplay1212

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  14. dblplay1212

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    After being complete ass for us, Reggie Nelson is 2nd in the NFL in INT's since 2010.
     
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  15. Duval

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    This team excels at winning meaningless games in December.

    Still enjoyed it.
     
  16. dblplay1212

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  17. Gaknight

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    Does everyone love Blake yet?
     
  18. kennypowers

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    Winning is fun
     
  19. Jorts

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    I'd say nice win, But we are a terrible team. Everything is going to plan... We can't compete until Grigson & Pagano are gone.
     
  20. dblplay1212

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    Any win vs the Colts is a good win.
     
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  21. Jorts

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    Colts & Jags have been trending in opposite directions for awhile now... We just won the lottery with Luck. It is embarrassing how poor a job Grigson has done. Gene/Shack-level bad
     
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  22. Xander Crews

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    This might be the dumbest thing I've ever read.

    Espns total QBR is a joke.


    The Jaguars Scored 51 Points; Blake Bortles Had Practically Nothing To Do With It
    By NEIL PAINE

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    Jacksonville Jaguars quarterback Blake Bortles had a 3.8 Total QBR in Sunday’s huge win against the Indianapolis Colts.

    PHELAN M. EBENHACK / AP

    Fifty-point outings are pretty rare in the NFL. When teams do break the half-century barrier, it’s usually the result of an exceptional individual performance; in 26 of the NFL’s 36 50-point games since 2006,1 the high-scoring team’s primary passer2 posted a score of 90 or better on Total QBR’s 0-to-100 scale, where 50 is average.

    Only twice in the past decade has a team dropped 50 or more on an opponent despite its quarterback having a QBR below league average. The first was a mediocre Jay Cutler game from 2012, in which Cutler had a QBR of 43.8 — not horrendous, though also not what you think of when you envision a 50-point offensive outburst. The second happened Sunday, in the Jacksonville Jaguars’ out-of-nowhere 51-16 romp over the tailspinning Indianapolis Colts. Because, despite his team’s huge scoring output, Jags QB Blake Bortles posted an impossibly low 3.8 QBR for the game:

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    Since 2006, Bortles’s QBR was easily the worst by the QB on a team that scored at least 50 points. Or 45. Or even 40. Among teams scoring 30 or more points, only Eli Manning’s microscopic 0.2 QBR in this 38-21 win against the Buffalo Bills was worse. (Naturally, Eli followed up that stinker with a near-upset of the 15-0 New England Patriots and then won four straight games, including the Super Bowl.) The average sub-5.0-QBR game yields a shade under 9.9 points. Overcoming that kind of performance, much less stacking another 40 points of production on top of it, requires something remarkable.

    In Manning’s case, it was two long rushing touchdowns and two defensive touchdowns. For Jacksonville, it was a couple of return touchdowns — a fumble and a punt — plus a dangerous Bortles pass to Allen Hurns that was nearly intercepted but instead turned into an 80-yard touchdown. The latter was likely scored as a bad pass despite its good result, which is one of the selling points for QBR — that its individual inputs and charting make it a better representation of play than traditional QB rating (which put Bortles at 114.6). But then, the black-box mechanics of QBR can also lead to wacky results; the formula, with all its credit-splitting and other arcana, undeniably makes more sense on a season-long scalethan in single games.

    Even so, outliers as extreme as Bortles’s win don’t come along every week — or every decade. Fifty-point games are rare, but ones in which the quarterback is so immaterial to the product are all but non-existent.
     
  23. Fusiontegra

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    I've discussed this before but that's because Jax did a shit job developing DBs during the Del Rio years. Mathis hit a wall, then fell off a cliff not long after he took over, and it seemed like every DB we brought was solid their rookie or second year, then started getting coached by our staff, and became awful.

    It also helps that Cincy put him a role that he excelled at in college(and they regularly get to the QB, forcing bad throws).
     
  24. kennypowers

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    I seem to remember Mel Tucker loving that single high safety and Nelson could just not handle it.
     
  25. Big Meech

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    Reggie Nelson is dumb as a bag of dicks. Jags asked him to do too much. Ultimately, he was not a good fit for what we wanted to do. Cincy does not ask him to do nearly as much.
     
  26. dblplay1212

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    Jorts used to say this all the time and I think he's right. Don't ask him to read shit. Don't ask him to cover man on man. Just put him in CF and let him go get the ball. He's too dumb to do anything else.
     
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  27. Duval

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    Our current defensive staff seems pretty intent on forcing their scheme on players that can't handle it either.

    We better make it rain in free agency this year.
     
  28. Big Meech

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    Not sure I agree with that. I just think we lack speed and talent on the defensive side of the ball. There are some decent pieces (Colvin, House, Smith, Odrick and maybe Cyprien), but the rest are old or not very good). Frankly, it's kind of hard to tell how goo or bad some of our defensive backs are because we get zero pass rush.
     
  29. killrbee7

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    Arkadin and I will be in attendance on Sunday, donning Falcons (read: Dimarco) attire. Be forewarned.
     
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  30. kennypowers

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    Sunday the Colts and Texans will square off in a first place battle with Charlie whitehurst and Tj Yates as starting QBs.
     
  31. Big Meech

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    I will look for the two of you on the kiss cam.
     
  32. Fusiontegra

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  33. kennypowers

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    I know we talk about this a lot, but there has never been a worse defensive end duo than what we trot out there. They just cripple our defense.
     
  34. kennypowers

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    God fucking damn it.
     
  35. dblplay1212

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    We can win out and win the division if the Texans lose next week and then to us in last week and the Colts lose at some point, right?
     
  36. kennypowers

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    It's so draining to watch this team. You see the pieces there. You see some flashes. You think you can win every week. Then you realize that we can't do the little things consistently to beat even average teams. Throwing a pick at the 1, fumbling the ball around, dropped passes, not getting off the field on third down.

    We should have won the division this year given the Luck injury, and it sucks throwing it away on games to the Falcons and chargers and Titans.
     
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  37. Mix

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    Maybe you can draft Luke Adams.
     
  38. kennypowers

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    I'm already like six hop drops in and standing at the ledge, are you trying to get me to jump?
     
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  39. Big Meech

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    Offense was a let down yesterday, but I think it highlights that Yeldon is a bigger piece of this offense than we realized. We need another serviceable RB and Robinson is not it.

    Oh, and I sign at least one FA DE, and draft a couple more to go with Fowler. We absolutely have to find a way to create a pass rush.
     
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  40. kennypowers

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    Yeah yesterday was a huge eye opener of why we drafted Yeldon in the first place.
     
  41. kennypowers

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    Joeckel also looked like the Luke of old yesterday against a really weak Falcons front.
     
  42. Duval

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    Sign Irvin and Vernon; draft CB/FS/SS.

    Really wish we could have seen what sample can do.

    Kind of hope we lose out at this point.
     
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  43. kennypowers

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    Cyprien is shit and that depresses me.
     
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  44. dblplay1212

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    Overall it's been a much more enjoyable season to watch, mostly bc we can actually score points now. This defense is absolute trash, though. We need some help on the OL and then help at every level of the D. For the first time in a long time, I think we're close to being a team that can battle for a playoff birth next season.
     
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  45. dblplay1212

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    And we really need to work on shotgun snaps. We've had half a dozen fuckups this year.
     
  46. kennypowers

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    Need a LT. Shift Cann to LG and tell Beadles to fuck off. Pay out the ass for a center. Offense is good then

    Need pass rush like crazy. Replace both safeties. Playoff bound. This offensive nucleus is serious.
     
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  47. fsudan

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    Why not replace both DB's as well? Really the entire D still needs a complete overhaul which is fucking unreal and depressing.
     
  48. SaturdaysAtDoak

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    By work on shotgun snaps I hope you mean get Alex Mack.
     
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  49. kennypowers

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    I think House and Colvin are serviceable. It's hard to really judge their performance this season considering the pass rush and safeties. The Marshall experiment needs to end however, it's embarrassing trotting him out there. Yet somehow he is still better than gratz.
     
  50. SaturdaysAtDoak

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    DE - Fowler
    DT - Marks
    DT - New/ Miller
    DE - New/ Odrick
    OLB - Telvin
    MLB - New, Poz is too one dimensional
    OLB - New/Skuta
    CB1 - New
    CB2 - House
    Nickel - Colvin
    FS- New
    SS - Cyprien

    I think we need 6 new starters (7 if you count Fowler) on this defense next year. My guess is Poz is back though, so we need 5 new guys in the offseason. I think we go after the best CB and FS in FA, which ever one we get, we go after the other position early in the draft. I would love to get Josh Norman in FA and then draft Jalen Ramsey and play him at FS, which i think is his more natural position. I think this would allow Cyp to do what he does best, play closer to the LOS.

    Shaq Lawson in the second round, and fill the rest of the Defense with more picks and FA's