LEAGUE RULES: 1). Draft order determined by final standings from the previous season. Last place picks first, etc. 2). 6 keepers 3). 2nd and following year keepers determined by ADP listed below. 4). Players acquired via trade retain their draft slot 5). 2nd year and following keepers acquired via trade follow the same rules as if they weren't traded - so draft slot determined by ADP listed below 6). Players added from the waiver wire/FA pool count as a last round pick 7). Read this thread in its entirety (which you should've done by now) 8). Read all the messages from the 2009 league homepage on yahoo (which you should've done by now) 9). Check your team at least once a week unless you're on vacation or something. Everyone can see your "Last League Activity" by clicking the "Managers" tab on the league homepage. 10). Participate in this thread KEEPER INFO: atl14straight (Diamond Dores) Mark Teixeira (1) 18.8 Justin Morneau (2) 58.3 Josh Beckett (4) 150.2 Andrew McCutchen (5) 37.5 Neftali Feliz (11) 69.6 Adrian Beltre (12) 48.5 Triple-R Albert Pujols (1) 1.2 Shin-Soo Choo (2) 35.1 Cliff Lee (5) 29.1 Carlos Marmol (11) 60.4 Francisco Cordero (12) 134.2 Starlin Castro (24) 152.1 TheManster (No Tengo Pineiro) Kevin Youkilis (2) 27.8 Jason Heyward (8) 46.3 Francisco Liriano (16) 83.5 Max Scherzer (17) 106.5 Mat Latos (20) 78.1 Shaun Marcum (24) 116.0 StinkyP1nky Dustin Pedroia (1) 25.3 Troy Tulowitzki (2) 4.5 Ryan Zimmerman (3) 21.9 Josh Hamilton (5) 18.6 Domonic Brown (23) 228.0 Gio Gonzalez (24) 153.0 Trofie Jon Lester (6) 38.2 Rickie Weeks (11) 52.8 Gordon Beckham (21) 157.5 Chris Young (22) 90.8 Buster Posey (23) 35.0 Brennan Boesch (24) 233.4 Jpripper (Wannstache Riders) Evan Longoria (1) 5.9 Joey Votto (3) 6.7 David Price (14) 56.3 Carlos Santana (20) 76.2 Hunter Pence (23) 62.9 Mike Stanton (24) 87.9 jcane (Lauderdale Landsharks) Ryan Braun (1) 8.7 Matt Kemp (2) 25.6 Ian Kinsler (3) 34.7 Chris Carpenter (4) 93.0 Jonathan Papelbon (6) 84.0 Cole Hamels (8) 64.0 eyehateorange (eyehatejeter) Hanley Ramirez (1) 2.5 Carl Crawford (2) 12.1 Matt Holliday (3) 26.8 Brian McCann (4) 53.2 Nelson Cruz (5) 32.3 Tommy Hanson (8) 72.6 soulfly Alex Rodriguez (1) 15.4 Robinson Cano (4) 9.6 Clayton Kershaw (8) 40.1 Colby Rasmus (13) 104.3 Vernon Wells (22) 137.1 Brett Myers (24) 197.0 ochoseis (Ocho Loco) Joe Mauer (1) 28.2 David Wright (2) 13.3 Tim Lincecum (3) 20.9 Mariano Rivera (6) 61.5 Matt Garza (9) 172.2 Alex Rios (10) 68.0 oac001 (chompzy) Justin Upton (2) 40.8 Felix Hernandez (3) 21.2 Josh Johnson (6) 48.2 Ubaldo Jiminez (7) 47.2 Jay Bruce (8) 66.6 Pedro Alvarez (24) 96.1 w2d Miguel Cabrera (1) 5.0 Roy Halladay (2) 10.9 Adrian Gonzalez (3) 11.3 Zack Greinke (4) 53.3 CC Sabathia (5) 44.8 Carlos Gonzalez (8) 8.7
Re: oac001's Yahoo TMB 2nd Year Keeper League Yeah....I'm back home now and can't remember my login info. Hopefully I uh....remember that soon. Can you see what email/login is attached with my name? If so, I will know my password.
Re: oac001's Yahoo TMB 2nd Year Keeper League last year Started Great Finished last This year Starting terrible finish first sounds good to me.
Re: oac001's Yahoo TMB 2nd Year Keeper League Anyone wanting to deal? Check out Ocho Loco if so. Pretty much everyone but Tim and Joe are avail right now, for the right price.
Re: oac001's Yahoo TMB 2nd Year Keeper League Wannestache, work with me here. I think we can make each other better.
Re: oac001's Yahoo TMB 2nd Year Keeper League I have to do something. That would benefit you this year. That being said. I'm starting a fire sale. I need young players.
Re: oac001's Yahoo TMB 2nd Year Keeper League Yeah those are 2 young guys that I didn't want to get rid of for sure. It didn't help that right around that time I was starting to move up in the standings.
Re: oac001's Yahoo TMB 2nd Year Keeper League Is jpripper active on tmb? I'm on my phone right now and can't check.
Re: oac001's Yahoo TMB 2nd Year Keeper League http://www.the-mainboard.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=507
Re: oac001's Yahoo TMB 2nd Year Keeper League what the fuck trofie. i'm gonna need to hear from the rest of the managers before i can let that trade go through.
Re: oac001's Yahoo TMB 2nd Year Keeper League How is that a bad trade? I'm going to need to get much younger and build through the draft. I got a top 5 prospect and ditched a 1st round keeper for next year . I only get 5 keepers and as of now they're Boesch, Posey, Stanton, lester , Romero
Re: oac001's Yahoo TMB 2nd Year Keeper League 1. you get 6 keepers 2. if you think stanton is worth howard/gallardo/ortiz, then you're on crack revise the trade then get back to me.
Re: oac001's Yahoo TMB 2nd Year Keeper League i think including Gallardo in there is where it kind of raised some eyebrows.
Re: oac001's Yahoo TMB 2nd Year Keeper League Stanton is absolutely worth Howard. If you don't think so , then you're a fucking moron Keeping 6 doesn't change the outcome at all
Re: oac001's Yahoo TMB 2nd Year Keeper League Picking up Brett Cecil of the Bluejays was a nice pickup for me if I don't say so myself. Although I am still tied for 8th :curses: But since i picked him up on May 6th. He is 3-1 with a 2.33 ERA (that is me subtracting his 1 horrible start though) Tonight he is through 6 1/3 having only given up 1 run. But if he goes 7 without giving up another run (and the bullpen holding the lead) He will be 4-1 with a 2.11 ERA but when you add in his bad start it's a 4.00 ERA but I'm not counting that one
Re: oac001's Yahoo TMB 2nd Year Keeper League yes, nice pick up. i had given consideration to picking him up around that point that you did but you beat me to it.
Re: oac001's Yahoo TMB 2nd Year Keeper League learn to read you dumb shit. Stanton is the only keeper candidate in that deal and he's not worth Howard/Gallardo/Ortiz. If you want to do Howard for Stanton, go for it but everyone here will agree that that deal was unbelievably retarded.
Re: oac001's Yahoo TMB 2nd Year Keeper League Nobody wants Howard. Hence the 5 or so deals every owner has turned down fuck head. Quit over commissioning the league Poweshow
Re: oac001's Yahoo TMB 2nd Year Keeper League pretty sure the other owners agree with me. if you dont like it, then get the fuck out. plus its not like you ever checked your team before I PM'd you last week. you're last league activity prior to my email was the first week in April.
Re: oac001's Yahoo TMB 2nd Year Keeper League Good luck finding an owner to take this abortion. Are you aware how baseball works. I'm out of contention. I need to get younger. The trade does that.
Re: oac001's Yahoo TMB 2nd Year Keeper League Ortiz has nothing to do with the deal as he was just dropping him. Howard with a 1st rounder and Gallardo as a 3rd would be way down on my keeper list (like 8th and 9th) and Stanton as a 24th is most likely a definite keeper for Trofie unless he has a major injury or falls flat on his face when he comes up. Howard and Gallardo are just to help me try to contend this year. With the way Howard and all the Phillies are hitting right now I am betting he turns around and helps more than Loney, who has been better so far this year. oac's response to me about Kennedy was that he shouldn't even be owned because he is only owned in 38% of leagues. Triple-R you should drop Brett Cecil and certainly can't trade him because he is only owned in 33% of leagues. He has no value what so ever. Also, w2d same goes for Sean Marshall. No value what so ever. Yahoo % owned tells you everything you need to know man. Wow even the commish has a SP in Contreras that is only owned in 33% of leagues. Better drop him or never trade him. He clearly shouldn't be owned.
Re: oac001's Yahoo TMB 2nd Year Keeper League you bring up some valid points & didn't realize he had Gallardo as a 3rd rounder. essentially he was trading Howard for Stanton & the number one pick in next seasons draft. no issue there IMO. and moving Gallardo opens up another early pick. i do think alot of us were skewed by the dropping of Ortiz, so you're right there. as an addendum, it's JMO that trades should only be vetoed if there is collusion going on. different owners are going to value certain players differently, especially in a keeper league where one might be looking at long term value while the other party is concerned only with immediate dividends.
Re: oac001's Yahoo TMB 2nd Year Keeper League Exactly my point to oac. Of course his lone response point was Kennedy should not even been owned and thus has no value. I doubt he even cared to look up the draft rounds for the players exchanged. And yes in a keeper league like this, if it isn't collusion then trades should be allowed. If the league is run where there is a commish making the lone decision on trades and does it on his perception of value (i.e. the Kennedy comment and probably not realizing the Gallardo or Howard rounds) then there is really no point of having the league. At this point IMO this is more about how the league will run than this particular trade. In fact at this point I am actually questioning whether it makes sense for me to do the trade with how far I have fallen out of contention and instead wait and see what Stanton and Santana do after their call ups.
Re: oac001's Yahoo TMB 2nd Year Keeper League so what does Kennedy and Loney have to do with anything? they've both been in a league for a couple years now so it's not like we don't know their talent level. but hey, if you want to be a retard, then i guess i won't stop you this time.
Re: oac001's Yahoo TMB 2nd Year Keeper League The issue is that you tried to use an argument that because of Kennedy's own % in Yahoo that "he isn't even worthy of a roster spot" and that is just a ludicrous way to determine a trade and player value. Guess what? You own a SP owned at the same % as him and you own two hitters below 20%. They better not be included in any deal because they have ZERO value. You also tried to bring up Ortiz as part of the deal. He wasn't. It is less about vetoing the deal than it is about what your reasoning was. Did you examine my team's roster and check to see who the likely keepers were and the round values for each and then add Howard and Gallardo to the equation? If you did you would have seen that Gallardo would have to be crazy good for me to contemplate keeping him, so he is just a rental. Did you see that Howard has a 1st round tag and is not playing near that? Chances are he would not be kept. You also made the comment that Loney is a "league average 1st baseman" but did you actually check Howard's stats and see that Loney is outperforming him so far this year? As I posted earlier the trade isn't even the issue here. The response and vetoing is the issue. The reasons you gave for vetoing it raise significant questions about how you would evaluate a deal (even though collusion should be the only reason trades are vetoed) and whether you really examined all parts and reasoning behind the trade. At this point I (yep me "the guy who would be "fucking up the balance of the league") am not even sure I would still do it, just because of how far I am now out of 1st and the fact Gallardo certainly isn't being kept and Howard would have to have a big 2nd half to be worthy at his draft slot based on the 1Bs that are likely to be available next year. Stanton as a 24th rounder is much more likely to have better value as a keeper.
Re: oac001's Yahoo TMB 2nd Year Keeper League Do you get how keepers work? Howard and Gallardo have no value to me. I'm that far out of contention. 0 value. It's bullshit you wouldn't allow the trade and hopefully you're starting to realize it.
Re: oac001's Yahoo TMB 2nd Year Keeper League simply dropping Ortiz, someone who was one of the best hitters in May, means you don't care about this league. Howard and Gallardo may have no value to you, but that would be like some team trading two of their best players because they can't afford to re-sign them for one legit prospect and two league-average players that won't be re-signed either. maybe you just got lazy but all three players each could've netted legit potential keepers themselves. and no jpripper, i dont care about who you might keep because you were trading prospects for established players so you were going for the championship this year. trofie is building for next year while you are trying to build the best roster you can for the rest of this year. at this point, i don't even care anymore. there would've been people bitching either way. so i guess the question now is should i retroactively allow the trade and change up your rosters since jpripper seems to have changed his mind.
Re: oac001's Yahoo TMB 2nd Year Keeper League I say if they still wanna do it, they can re-put it through
Re: oac001's Yahoo TMB 2nd Year Keeper League How can you veto a trade in a keeper league when you didn't even examine player's keeper value? That makes no sense what so ever. What did you judge the trade on? Just Kennedy's % owned, the fact he was dropping Ortiz and player name value? At this point I am at a loss for what you actually evaluated the trade on beyond those things. People can complain if they want as long as they understand all the keeper values for one team and the other plus the standings. If they don't then they should realize it is a keeper league and not a 1 year league, so much more goes into it than just the next 4 months of production.
Re: oac001's Yahoo TMB 2nd Year Keeper League This has everything to do with Trofie's evaluation of the players involved in the deal. You are essentially renting Howard and Gallardo for the rest of the season so why would I look closely into their keeper statuses? He is building for the future but apparently he thinks Ortiz is worthless and the best he can get for Howard and Gallardo is Stanton and two fringe keeper prospects. Loney and Kennedy are useful players but calling them keeper candidates is quite the stretch. If Trofie still wants to be an idiot and not maximize returns on his players, then fine. Selig doesn't stop GMs from getting fleeced and I shouldn't either. Send the trade through again.
Re: oac001's Yahoo TMB 2nd Year Keeper League I don't know what you don't get. Howard and Gallardo have no fucking value to me. Zero. All this does for me allows me a 1st and 3rd next year. Along with a top 5 prospect in Stanton
Re: oac001's Yahoo TMB 2nd Year Keeper League they have no value to you so you just give them away? really didn't think you were this stupid.
Re: oac001's Yahoo TMB 2nd Year Keeper League That's how trades work Einstein. My goal isn't to appease others. I need to get better in the Future. And that's what this deal does for me.
Re: oac001's Yahoo TMB 2nd Year Keeper League you could've gotten a lot more than Stanton/Kennedy/Loney but if you want to continue making bad decisions, I'm not gonna stop you anymore.
Re: oac001's Yahoo TMB 2nd Year Keeper League Actually you already fucked me so thanks. He doesn't want the deal anymore. Bravo
Re: oac001's Yahoo TMB 2nd Year Keeper League Anyone interested in DWright? Might be willing to trade him
Re: oac001's Yahoo TMB 2nd Year Keeper League actually yeah. i was actually coming here to post that all my pitchers are available and that I wanted a 3B in return.
Re: oac001's Yahoo TMB 2nd Year Keeper League Cecil gets me another win. 5-1 since I've picked him up
Re: oac001's Yahoo TMB 2nd Year Keeper League toronto's rotation has a lot of talent when healthy. romero/marcum/cecil/morrow/mcgowan.