Official Chicago Blackhawks Thread: Bedard Era

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  1. illinasty

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    I don't like this deal but I will say I have always liked Daley.

    That deal also means the Hawks won't be taking a step back next year, they are going for it again. Independent of the deals made this offseason, if you look at the roster as it's currently built it's a cup favorite. Thought Stan would take a step back. Doesn't look like that was ever the plan.
     
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  3. Illinihockey

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    Daley is not good, oduya better sign for waaaay more than 3.6
     
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    I'm probably in the minority on this but I'm fine with this return.

    Daley has talent. Had a bad year but he can play. He also is a LHD that we need.

    Its not easy to move talent when the league knows you have no choice. Not going to kill Stan for this. Like I mentioned before I have learned to trust him on all moves. Hes earned that.
     
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  6. Illinihockey

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    Daley is awful

    @HawksNumbers: Daley's relative CF% of -9.07 and relative FF% of -8.44 were both worst in the NHL for defensemen. Relative SC% of -7.95 2nd worst.

    @HawksNumbers: Daley was worst on the Stars (5v5 adj) in Corsi for% (46.05), Fenwick for% (46.71), and scoring chances % (47.73)
     
  7. visa

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    Is last year an anomaly or has he always been a marginal guy? That's a sizable salary for a shitty player
     
  8. Illinihockey

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    I asked

    @HawksNumbers: On the bright side, Daley's 13-14 season was more productive. His CF% of 51.09 was 2nd among Dallas D, FF% of 51.55 was #3
     
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  9. Illinihockey

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    Hawks need to move salary still. Bet it's versteeg or Shaw
     
  10. wes tegg

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    If shaw and sharp are gone, I might cry.
     
  11. Bankz

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    Give Versteeg away... seriously... I love Shaw
     
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    @SteveBurtch: Trevor Daley's passing results are like Kimmo Timonen from the #Hawks last season - have fun with that CHI?
     
  13. visa

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    @adater: NHL source tells me, in fact, Oduya will not be retained by Blackhawks
     
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    Welp...

    @BrianHedger: If #Blackhawks don't sign Oduya, because of Daley, look for Oduya to maybe sign in Dallas. Was looking there before waiting for CHI offer
     
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  16. Bankz

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    Timmo couldn't skate.. lets hope Daley just had a off season and can still skate.
     
  17. theregionsitter

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    Can we just dump Daley for some pucks and resign Oduya?
     
  18. illinasty

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    Thinking about this more... Stan has gone off the rails here. Oduya is going to sign with Dallas now and it'll be Sharp, Oduya and Johns for fucking Garbutt and Daley. Now looking at these numbers on Daley... I mean... they are frighteningly bad. He skates well and looks the part. I guess I'm way off on thinking he was good.
     
  19. R2d2

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    I know the return is not the best but we had to cut salary
     
  20. Jork

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    Daley makes like 3.5m. We net like 2.4m here. Maybe 2.7m tops.

    :killme:
     
  21. Illinihockey

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    The problem is this resulted in very little cap savings. About as much as if they had just given versteeg away. Hawks are still over the cap and don't have Kruger or oduya and gave away their best prospect. I hate this off season
     
  22. Illinihockey

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    The next trade is going to be Kruger + Shaw or versteeg
     
  23. Fran Tarkenton

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    the defenseman prospect pool went from pretty loaded to Pokka and a bunch of meh in a few years
     
  24. Illinihockey

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    Pokka is the last hope. If Dallas also kept 50% of daley's salary too I could live with this deal
     
  25. illinasty

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    Pokka is good. TVR is good. Forsling is good. Norell, Snuggerud and Press are good prospects.

    I don't care about the general outflow of prospects, just this specific one. There are alot of people doom and glooming right now. You can lose alot of trades and still win alot of games. Hell, I don't think we've difinitively won one since Brouwer/1st trade.

    The team on paper still looks really strong. This forward group is phenomenal.
     
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  26. Illinihockey

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    Oduya for a 2nd and a 3rd.
     
  27. theregionsitter

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    three things:

    1) Stan prolly waited too long to move Sharp and the market deteriated
    2) no team wants to help the blackhawks
    3) Bickell is unmoveable- so that deal looks even worse now
     
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  28. Jork

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    I would have rather traded Sharp to Dallas for nothing. There, I said it.
     
  29. Illinihockey

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    @ESPNChiPowers: Stars GM Jim Nill says Stephen Johns was a big part of the trade. If he was going to give up Daley, he had to get quality D-man back.

    Bowman targeted Daley
     
  30. Illinihockey

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    So oduya had terrible possession numbers the 4 years before joining the Hawks then was a possession driver all 4 years in Chicago. So maybe all is not lost
     
  31. Jork

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    Lets hope youre right. Still have to make a move just to get Kruger in, right?
     
  32. Truman

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    Unless he wants to play for around 500k
     
  33. Jork

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    If Bickell is untradeable, its gotta be Versteeg. They better not cut Shaw loose for Kruger.
     
  34. Illinihockey

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    Kruger is way better than Shaw but honestly, both are replaceable
     
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  35. Jork

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    I really hope Daley becomes Oduya redux and Stan makes us all look like simpletons.
     
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  37. Illinihockey

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    That made me laugh out loud and is one of my favorite movie lines ever
     
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  38. Jork

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    Id have rather kept both and just cut Sharp loose. I know this is redundant but Im probably gonna kick and scream about this one for awhile.
     
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  39. Illinihockey

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    Even strength Corsi the 4 years before joining the Hawks and corresponding defensive zone start percentage

    Player A: 43.2/46.9, 46.5/49.2, 49.4/49, 48.5/48.8

    Player B: 47.3/51.6, 46.9/54.7, 51.5/52.2, 46.6/52.5
     
  40. Jork

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    A is Oduya and B is Daley?
     
  41. Illinihockey

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    Correct. Oduya sucked but played protected shifts, daley sucked but got tough zone starts. Didn't look up their qual comp stuff though
     
  42. Jork

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    So the logic is we took a younger version of Oduya and dealt Johns to compete for a cup now?

    I can see that but I think we should have asked for them to retain more salary or took a draft pick instead of that forward.
     
  43. Illinihockey

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    What Bowman has done says to me he thinks the Hawks can contend next year. I agree about the salary. I would have asked for them to keep at least 25% of Daley's money
     
  44. visa

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    Do you not think Stan tried to?
     
  45. Illinihockey

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    I'm sure he did but he should have made it a condition of the deal
     
  46. wes tegg

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    :tebow:
     
  47. Bankz

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    Man.. The feels are strong on that one
     
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  48. Illinihockey

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    Chris Kuc‏@ChrisKuc 8m8 minutes ago
    No deal between Marcus Kruger and #Blackhawks is looming. Center is waiting for Hawks to be ready to re-engage on exploring a longer term.
     
  49. Fran Tarkenton

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