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  1. mtsucalico85

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    Art Sherman announced today that California Chrome will race in 2016, possibly as early as January if everything goes well.
     
  2. Cza

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    Damn. That's shocking, then again, his bloodline is shit.
     
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    Went to opening day at Saratoga yesterday. Came close on a couple of superfectas but still ended up doubling what I came in with. One race paid 85k off a $1 super ticket. Overall pretty awesome day, love the track up here and the bars after the races.
     
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    As of today, these are the potential fields for the Jim Dandy and the Haskell, which are coming up next weekend. Neither field looks to be all that large, but the Jim Dandy looks to be fairly well balanced, while there are some talented (if enigmatic) colts taking on American Pharoah (though AP will still be the heavy favorite).

    Jim Dandy-
    Frosted
    Texas Red
    Materiality
    Upstart
    Frammento
    Japan

    Haskell-
    American Pharoah
    Competitive Edge
    Keen Ice
    Mr. Jordan
    Stanford
    Tekton
     
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    Lol but the owners really studied it and found a perfect horse for the Triple Crown
     
  6. Cza

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    Starting prep for these cards tonight. Dandy looks awesome, Haskell just want to see AP which is going on NBC live btw.
     
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    We'll see how many of those actually run in the Dandy. Tekton and Competitive Edge have both also been mentioned for the Haskell, and Tekton is also entered into the West Virginia Derby.

    I'm excited to see Barbados run again, I think he can be a top level sprinter. I also didn't realize that Al Khali is still running in races. He's been around forever.
     
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    Texas Red is my mom's cousins' horse (part owner)

    /coolstorybro
     
  9. Cza

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    Tulira's Star (4) racing at Arlington tonight in race 7 at 7:21. Should be going off at close to 4-1 and has been breezing great, moved her back to 5F on the Turf so first race off of Dirt, she has the speed for 5F and could be special if she takes to the surface. Anyway, might want to throw a couple of bucks on her to hit the board, has a solid shot to win.
     
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    Tulira going off at 5/2 it looks like in about 12 minutes.
     
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    2nd, probably not a Stakes horse. Going to throw her in a claimer, I'm sticking with Harness. haha.

    Actually, pretty good time at 57.2, winner just ran a bullet at 57 so we'll give her another couple of shots.
     
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  12. mtsucalico85

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    My thoughts on some of this weekend's bigger races:

    Amsterdam Stakes (Saratoga, Saturday Race 5):

    I like Barbados a lot in this spot. I've always loved this horse- I remember at the start of the year having him as one of my top 10 Derby horses, but his connections didn't do anything with him other than keep him in sprint races, and then he got hurt. He ran well enough in his return race last time out, and I expect him to improve his second time out. By the end of the year, I think he's a horse that will be a big factor for the Breeders Cup Sprint. And with March (who I'm way against) and Holy Boss in the race, he likely won't be favored. As long as he stays above 2-1 (and I think he should), he's a bet for me.

    Amsterdam selections:
    1. Barbados (5) 7-2
    2. Holy Boss (7) 5-2
    3. Victory Is Sweet (4) 5-1

    Vanderbilt Stakes (Saratoga, Saturday Race 8)

    This is a pretty strong group of 7 from top to bottom- when a horse like Departing is your longest shot in the field, you know it's filled with quality. Rock Fall and Salutos Amigos will be your favorites, and deservedly so, but this is a step up in class for both of those horses from what they have been facing. I can't help myself- I'm going with Clearly Now. I land on him every time, and almost every time, he disappoints me, but I still believe his best race is better than any other horses best race in the field. Now, it's probably only about a 20% chance that we see him run his A race, but given that he'll likely be above 5-1, I'll take my chances with him. But I'll probably end up being disappointed by him again.

    Vanderbilt selections:
    1. Clearly Now (4) 8-1
    2. Rock Fall (3) 2-1
    3. Salutos Amigos (2) 5-2

    Bowling Green Stakes (Saratoga, Saturday Race 9)

    I've seen enough of the established turf horses in this race (War Dancer and Imagining are the big names, but I also feel this way about Red Rifle, Golden Soul, Dramedy, and Al Khali (still can't believe he's racing at 9 years old)) to want to try to go in a different direction. With Main Sequence now gone, there just isn't much quality at the top of the division. Now I expect War Dancer and Imagining to both run well (I prefer Imagining of the two), but lately, neither of them like to win. So that leaves me with Innovation Economy, Iron Power, and Morning Calm. I don't have a strong feeling in this race, but I'm intrigued by Iron Power. I don't think there will be a ton of pace unless Red Rifle and War Dancer decide to push him, and New York jockeys are notorious for not being aggressive early in the race, especially on the turf. It's a step up in class, but he's been running similar numbers in comparison to the bigger names in the field. Like I said, this is a bit of a shot in the dark, but he'll be a big price. I'll probably do a small WPS bet on him, but I'll more likely try to get him in the exotics with Innovation Economy, Imagining, War Dancer, and I'll throw Morning Calm in there as well.

    Bowling Green selections:
    1. Iron Power (4) 15-1
    2. Innovation Economy (7) 5-2
    3. Imagining (3) 3-1

    Jim Dandy Stakes (Saratoga, Saturday Race 10)

    It'll be a four horse field, as three horses are scratching to run in the Haskell. Remaining horses are Frammento, Japan, Texas Red, and Frosted. Definitely not a betting race. I'll go with Texas Red to beat Frosted- he finally gets back to running 2 turns, which is what he wants to do. But I won't have any money on this race. I won't even bother putting down the morning lines, because they won't be anywhere near what they'll actually be with the defections.

    Jim Dandy selections:
    1. Texas Red (3)
    2. Frosted (7)
    3. Japan (2)

    Haskell Stakes (Monmouth, Sunday Race 12)

    I won't be trying to beat American Pharoah here, but there could be some value in the exotics if played right. To me, there are four other horse that have a chance to finish in the exotics- Upstart, Competitive Edge, Keen Ice, and Mr. Jordan. Of those four, I'm most against Competitive Edge. He's the most talented of those four, but I also think he's a one turn horse, and I can't get past how awful he looked on the Belmont undercard. And, in addition to that, there is a lot of early speed, which will further hurt his chances. I'm kicking him out completely of the top three spots. Of the other three, I like the pace setup that Keen Ice should get, as I'm expecting a fair to fast pace. Upstart has a history of running a big effort his first start off of a layoff, so even though I've never been his biggest fan, I can't dismiss him. And Mr. Jordan, in six lifetime starts, has 5 wins and 2 seconds. Granted, he hasn't beaten much, and his one loss was a trouncing at the hands of Competitive Edge, but that was off a layoff for him. I could see him sneaking in to third, if things break right. In order, the secondary contenders for me goes Keen Ice, Upstart, and Mr. Jordan.

    Haskell selections:
    1. American Pharoah (4) 1-5
    2. Keen Ice (6) 12-1
    3. Upstart (1) 6-1
     
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    Beholder absolutely demolished the competition in the G1 Hirsch.... that competition included #2 ranked mare Warren's Veneda, Beholder is of course the #1 ranked. After the race Beholder's trainer was talking about entering her in the G1 Pacific Classic at Del Mar against the male horses, a race in which I think she'd have a real chance at winning given how down the male competition is this year.

    Definitely something to watch for...
     
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    Would love to see this. She definitely would have a chance- there isn't a horse that you really fear in there, especially with Bayern not running as well this year. I still have a tough time imagining a horse sired by Henny Hughes go a mile and a quarter. But she's already proven that she can outrun her pedigree.
     
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    Tell me how to build my tri's and supers plzxz
     
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    I'm thinking something along the lines of:

    4/1,6/1,5,6/1,2,5,6,7
     
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    Damn, Pharoah odds at 1/9
     
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    Not unusual for the first tick to be super dramatic. It will most likely fall... not by much, but it should.
     
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    Hit the superfecta, but holy fuck was it an awful payout: $1 > 35.50
     
  20. Cza

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    Doesn't matter. Never seen anything like this horse, could have won by 20 but jogged home. Going to win one more and then the Cup. Un fucking real, horse is a once in a lifetime.
     
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    You learning. Kicking knowledge.
     
  22. mtsucalico85

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    The Whitney is going to be an absolute war:

    1. Honor Code (3-1)
    2. Tonalist (4-1)
    3. Noble Bird (5-1)
    4. Liam's Map (6-1)
    5. Moreno (12-1)
    6. V.E. Day (8-1)
    7. Lea (9/2)
    8. Coach Inge (15-1)
    9. Wicked Strong (20-1)
    10. Normandy Invasion (30-1)

    That's an incredible field.
     
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    Going to be a fun one for sure. My soft spot for Normandy is going to make me play him in some losing exotics.
     
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    Whitney Stakes (Saturday Race 9, Saratoga)

    Going to break this one down by post position, because it’s that strong of a field.

    1. Honor Code (3-1): I will be trying to beat him. His Met Mile was great, but whenever he has gone two turns, he hasn’t been the same horse. His last two turn start was in the Alysheba, where he finished 5th (Noble Bird finished 2nd in that race). I just don’t think he has the same closing kick when forced to run around that second turn.

    2. Tonalist (4-1): I do think he’ll get a good setup in this spot, and he’s a logical contender here. With that said, I’m disappointed that he couldn’t win in the Suburban over a horse in Effinex that is not all that special. There’s also reason to question whether he runs as well as Saratoga as he does at Belmont. Going back to his Peter Pan win last year, he’s run 100+ Beyers in 7 of his 9 starts. The only 2 he didn’t were his two Saratoga starts. So while I’ll use him in exotics, he won’t be my top pick.

    3. Noble Bird (5-1): He gets better with each race he runs, and he beat a good horse in Lea and a decent horse in Hoppertunity last time out in the Stephen Foster. He should set a good stalking trip. And he doesn’t have the name recognition that other horses have in this field, so I don’t see his price falling too much from his morning line. I’m picking him second, but I’ll use him in all spots.

    4. Liam’s Map (6-1): He’s the wildcard in this race. He might have the most upside of any horse in this race, but at the same time, this is a major step up in class. I don’t like the pace scenario for him, with Moreno right to his outside. And I also think it’s worth pointing out that his two prior jockeys, Javier Castellano (Honor Code) and John Velasquez (Tonalist), are sticking with other horses (not that Mike Smith is a bad consolation). I’m not going to use him, but he scares me. And down the road, if I had to pick one horse from this field to beat American Pharoah, he’s probably it, because I feel like I know the upside for horses like Tonalist, but I have no clue with Liam’s Map how good he could be.

    5. Moreno (12-1): Last year’s Whitney winner will be the likely pace setter. Historically, he runs his best races at Saratoga, but this is the toughest field he’s faced here, and with Liam’s Map, he’ll have some pressure up front. I just think others are better than him, and I won’t be using him.

    6. V.E. Day (8-1): Another horse that has historically run well at Saratoga (2 for 2, including last year’s Travers), but he had far and away the best trip of the top three (with Wicked Strong and Tonalist) that day, and since then, he’s been fairly average. He’s another horse I’ll be against.

    7. Lea (9-2): He’s probably the horse that is most likely to finish in the top 3 from this group. But, other than his win in the Donn in 2014, when he runs against this quality of competition, he runs his race, but has often found one better. Still, he’s a horse that has to be used.

    8. Coach Inge (SCR): He’s scratching to run in the Pacific Classic.

    9. Wicked Strong (20-1): I think his form is dirtied up considerably. Looking at his last three races, his Excelsior was a pure prep for the Met Mile, he got squeezed near the break in the Met Mile, and last time out was put on the turf- a race that, once again, was purely a race to get in further conditioning. And, for what it’s worth, Jimmy Jerkens is very successful with horses moving from the turf to dirt. He’s run very well both times at Saratoga (and finished ahead of Tonalist each time), and should be able to sit a decent trip in midpack. He’ll be my top pick.

    10. Normandy Invasion (30-1): One of my all-time favorite horses, and I so badly want to use him. But he simply hasn’t been running as well as the other horses in this field have this year. Because of my history with him, I may have a token WPS bet on him, and he’ll be a monster price, but realistically, I wouldn’t advise others to bet him.

    Whitney selections:

    1. Wicked Strong (9)
    2. Noble Bird (3)
    3. Lea (7)
    4.Tonalist (2)
     
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    $2 WPS on Normandy,had to do it also. Coverage starts on NBC in 10 minutes, I'll go with you on Wicked Strong, at 20-1, ridiculous price on him.
     
  26. POWESHOW

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    Whitney in about 20 minutes... best field of horses I've seen since I've gotten into horse racing.
     
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    I am getting my fucking ass kicked this year, down $2100 since May.

    I'm still way out of the black overall the past 5 years, but damn, even Hoosier is kicking my ass so bad I quit predicting stuff here.

    That awesome feeling when you have a $2 1-4-9-2 straight super and you get the 1-4-2-9. Arrrgh.

    08/085:44 PMSaratoga Thoroughbred9$2.00SF (PWHL)1 / 4 / 9 / 2$2.00$0.00

    Would have been $1343, likely a couple hundred more with Wicked Strong 3rd.
     
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    Make that $1500 down, won $600 ($1200 total but had to split it via agreement) on one of the guys accounts who was in our Derby bet and used his free $100 on the Belmont. Still though, brutal.
     
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    Twice today I've missed out on trifectas by second guessing myself and leaving a horse out of a position. Oh well... I'm still playing on the $320 I won a few weeks ago and picked up a $210 win yesterday. If I had the balls to lose a little bit more money I'd be sitting pretty right now.
     
  30. Cza

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    Nice, I bet retarded and still will hit something huge by the end of the year, but damn, never been this far back by August. Hoosier stuff is falling into place, I should have some plays for next Friday I will post here on Wednesday. I'll likely keep losing until October and then hit some random $20 super straight to save the year. Then I will bump this post and gloat.
     
  31. POWESHOW

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    I've gotten a lot better at covering my ass with secondary bets to make up for losing trifectas... that is also placing an exacta so I lose limited money or actually make money. I know the solution to this is to just bet more in my trifectas (said nobody ever) but I just cant bring myself to doing it.
     
  32. Cza

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    $0.50 tri stuff with favorites suck balls. I know it's a necessity, especially this year, but it's a high risk/low payout.

    I still love key tri bets with an extra horse. Big fan of exacta straights, but I have been being stupid this year just marlin fishing. The Derby has me scorned on big box bets for this year, betting $1680 to win $1340 is a punch to the gut. That being said, in every big race this year, basically have to bet huge to win, hasn't been a lot of upsets in the big ones.
     
  33. mtsucalico85

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    Honor Code proved me wrong, but that was an absolute perfect setup for him. Liam's Map was the best horse.
     
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    I had the super pegged in the Hambletonian yesterday. I just didnt bet enough. (Like always when you hit)
     
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    Just hit a $890 trifecta in the 8th at Saratoga, 50 cent bet totaling $15.00. Hit a 6/5 at the top with 50/1 in second and 50/1 in third. Fucking ridiculous. I was absolutely shaking.
     
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    Does AP race again before the BCC?

    The Downs at Mohegan Sun Pocono has a decent card on Saturday. Race 11 $500k 3yr trot. with some of the Hambo field, mostly Takter horses. Pinkman opens at 5-2.
     
  37. mtsucalico85

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    He'll race at least once more. Maybe twice, but I think that racing once is more likely at this time.

    As long as everything goes well, he'll be pointed to the Travers.
     
  38. Cza

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    Finally won a decent one this year, of course, was a State fair with no TV/Radio coverage so had to wait for ustrotting to update.

    [​IMG]

    Tulira's Star back at it at Arlington tomorrow in the 7th race, safe place bet. She hasn't shown the same burst on Turf that she initially did on dirt, but only her 2nd time going 5F so might be able to pull it off.

    Besides that, not a lot on tap this weekend. Jess's Dream, Rachel Alexandra's first foal gets going Monday at Saratoga in a fucking $83k maiden.
     
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    Pacific Classic looks like a decent race, although the quality doesn't look near as good as the Whitney did earlier this month. But Beholder, Catch a Flight, Bayern, Hoppertunity, Hard Aces, and Red Vine make up a pretty solid top 6.

    I probably won't be betting, but Red Vine could intrigue me at the right price. And I do think he's the one horse of those six that could drift the most in the wagering, as he's not as well known as the others.

    It is nice to see Jess's Dream finally entered in a race. Rachel Alexandra's other foal, Rachel's Valentina, actually beat her to the race track earlier this month. She won her debut, and actually looked pretty good in doing so. Not sure what she will do next, but I would think they would try a stakes race. Maybe the Spinaway?



    We'll see what happens with Jess's Dream, but just solely from Rachel's Valentina, Rachel Alexandra is ahead of Zenyatta in terms of being a broodmare. Cozmic One has disappointed each time, and Ziconic (her 2-year old) hasn't raced yet, but also hasn't been all that strong of a worker in the morning.
     
  41. Cza

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    Holy shit, yeah, I was a little excited last night. Totally blanked on the Pac Classic, not a bad field, but nothing like last year.

    Bayern looked better last time out, starting to think that foot injury in the spring was worse than what was thought. Beholder looked awesome 3 weeks ago, deserved favorite.
     
  42. POWESHOW

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    Really pulling for Beholder, she's an incredible mare and I'd love to see her continue to face the boys as she has no competition in the female division.
     
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  43. Cza

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    20 minutes out at Arlington, Let's go Tulira!
     
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    Any tips on the rest of the field. Pulling up xpress now.
     
  45. Cza

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    Wide open, I keyed her up top in a lot.
     
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    Tough race. I thought she had it.
     
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    Fuck, 3rd. Maybe we should put her in sprints.

    Terrible betting race too.
     
  48. Cza

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    and btw, if you come upon some money randomly and want to get a piece of a horse, don't use Team Valor or LRF. Study the bloodlines, buy your own, kind of at the mercy with these assholes with minimal control and you end up with stuff like today. Unless you like email newsletters telling you how good the horse is going to be and then see the same stuff over and over. Ugh! Tough hobby, I only call it a business to the govt.

    Fucking Arlington TV too, prune the trees blocking the entire back stretch already.
     
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    Thats the first thing I thought about was the trees. Terrible
     
  50. Cza

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    Yeah, I just talked to the SBR crew, we're advocating getting bought out on Tulira and getting on the KY (state, not the jelly Pow) sale solo this year.
     
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