Official Mad Men Thread

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  1. laxjoe

    laxjoe Well-Known Member Donor

  2. Legend

    Legend -

    so excited
  3. LKRFN88jp

    LKRFN88jp Husking Staff Member Donor TMB OG

    Just set my dvr to record the entire season, so damn excited.
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  4. laxjoe

    laxjoe Well-Known Member Donor

    'Mad Men' comes to PaleyFest to talk happiness, douchebags and the endgame

    Few hints about season 5, but lots of reflection on what's come before
    By Alan Sepinwall Wednesday, Mar 14, 2012 8:34 AM


    "Mad Men" star Jon Hamm looking sheepish next to January Jones at PaleyFest.
    Credit: The Paley Center for Media

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    "Mad Men" finally returns to television next Sunday, March 25 at 9 p.m., but because creator Matthew Weiner is so paranoid about spoilers (and has a much broader definition of the concept than almost any other showrunner), the "Mad Men" panel at PaleyFest spent virtually the entire time looking back, not forward. Fans got to watch last season's finale, "Tomorrowland," and though moderator Elvis Mitchell tried to prod Weiner for a few details about the upcoming season, the biggest tidbit the show's creator revealed is that (spoiler alert!) Lane Pryce will become a Mets fan.

    But with almost the full cast on-hand (Elisabeth Moss and Christina Hendricks had other commitments), there was plenty of time to reflect on where we left the characters when "Tomorrowland" aired 17 months ago, to learn a bit about how the actors see their Sterling Cooper Draper Pryce alter egos, and to get a few amusing anecdotes along the way. Among the highlights:

    * Because the crowd had just watched "Tomorrowland," there was a lot of discussion of Don's impulsive decision to propose to Megan, what that means for him, etc. Jon Hamm said he was glad that the season ended on a note of hope after Don had been in a downward spiral all year. Weiner said when he directed the scene where Don told his co-workers about the engagement, he filmed the reaction shots first, and the other actors mostly seemed frozen. Then he turned the camera around to see what they were so stunned by, and it was Hamm smiling as broadly as he ever has playing the role, which unnerved everyone. Hamm also enjoyed last season's "The Summer Man," where Don keeps a journal of his attempts to drink less, because, "It was refreshing to actually get to say those things and go through those emotions as a character who had really been wrung out."

    * Speaking of reaction shots, John Slattery got a lot of laughs recapping the filming of the blackface scene from the season 3 episode "My Old Kentucky Home," and how he wishes they had filmed the reaction shots first, as his co-stars and the extras were all suitably horrified at their first glimpse of him. He also admitted that he couldn't exactly ask Weiner to take it out of the script: "You can't ride the girl in her underwear singing cowboy sings and then say, 'No, I won't do the blackface.'"

    * Rich Sommer introduced the word of the night when he said his reaction to "Tomorrowland" was to ask, "When, exactly, did Harry become such a douchebag?" Various other actors would try to seize the douchebag mantle for their character (Jay R. Ferguson thought "the douche torch had been passed to Stan"), but it kept coming back to Sommer, who said he didn't actually think Harry had changed all that much from the first season. ""I think if you took Harry Crane from episodes in season 1 and put him into the situation he's in now," he said, "I don't think he would've been any different. He was just under a thumb before. He just has freedom to be who he truly is." Weiner said that Harry had become incredibly important to the agency, but Sommer has no illusions about his own position within the series: "I still think it'll be a show about Don Draper. Harry just might have more important places to go when he leaves a scene."

    * Kiernan Shipka, who plays Sally Draper, once again proved herself to be more composed and articulate than many actors twice her age or more. When Weiner asked whether she felt Sally was more like her mother or father, Shipka observed, "I thinkshe's more like her own person." The crowd applauded, and Sommer interjected, "If you guys are going to applaud every time Kiernan says something smart, then you will be applauding all night. She'll definitely say the smartest things out of everyone."

    * As for Sally's mom, the audience Q&A brought up how much fans dislike Betty, and January Jones quipped that "People run away from me on the street all the time. They're worried about me being a mother now." Weiner defended Betty, insisting that her open-handed slap of Sally's face last season wasn't that unusual for the period ("Oh, she's a monster! Lock her up!" he said sarcastically), and said that Betty had just cause to fire Carla for letting creepy, older Glen be around Sally despite her orders not to. (Though he did admit that Betty should have let Carla say goodbye to the kids.)
    * Part of the reason for the long delay between seasons was a contract negotiation with Weiner, but it's one that should take the show through the seventh season, which Weiner confirmed is their current plan of when to end the show. "My whole thing is, I don't want to overstay our welcome, and it's really hard to do (the show)." He said that he and writer/producers Marie and André Jacquemetton had discussed what they want to do over the final season, but "there's no master plan." With each season so far, he's tried to end it in such a way that if the show didn't continue, that finale would feel like a good ending. Noting that people ask him about the ending all the time and seem anxious that he has something specific in mind, he joked, "I know everything, exactly how it's going to go."

    Again, "Mad Men" is back on the 25th. It sounds like the premiere is the only episode AMC will be sending out in advance this season, so future episode reviews will come sometime on Monday, but you should have my thoughts on the first one that night.
  5. Hank Scorpio

    Hank Scorpio Globex Corporation, Philanthropist, Supervillain Donor

    Watched the 1st 2 episodes on Netflix and am somewhat intrigued but not hooked yet. How does the 1st season develop?
  6. LKRFN88jp

    LKRFN88jp Husking Staff Member Donor TMB OG

    I think it's fantastic but I was hooked within the first scene of the show when Don is talking about the cigarettes. But it definitely gets more interesting the more you learn about Don's past.
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  7. J_Jalapeno

    J_Jalapeno What am I gonna do with 40 subscriptions to Vibe?

    I just had a buddy tell me it took him two seasons to understand what the buzz is all about. Imo, the character progressions are the most interesting part.
  8. steamengine

    steamengine Fiscally liberal, socially conservative Donor

    Just saw this episode. I love this show so very much.
  9. CC

    CC Waiting for moments that never come Donor TMB OG

    I actually just watched it last night too. Also had one of my favorite scenes in the show

  10. Legend

    Legend -

    I feel like Dorothy, everything just turned to color
  11. LKRFN88jp

    LKRFN88jp Husking Staff Member Donor TMB OG

    One week, so excited.
  12. i am a bammer

    i am a bammer Ben Eblen>Jamychal Green TMB OG

    just finished season 2. does it get better or worse from here?
  13. CC

    CC Waiting for moments that never come Donor TMB OG

    It maintains the same performance that has led to four consecutive Emmys for Best Drama
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  14. The Blackfish

    The Blackfish Family, Duty, Honor? Whatever Staff Member Donor TMB OG

    That was going to be my answer. It is very consistently good.
  15. LKRFN88jp

    LKRFN88jp Husking Staff Member Donor TMB OG

    Season 4 is my favorite season so I would say it raises its already amazing level of consistency tbqh.
  16. bic

    bic the way out is through Staff Member Donor TMB OG

    Yeah, I watched all 4 seasons over a month or so on Netflix and it didn't have any noticeable jumps. It was just consistently what is is. Pretty rare.
  17. CC

    CC Waiting for moments that never come Donor TMB OG

    This was my non pretentious answer
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  18. i am a bammer

    i am a bammer Ben Eblen>Jamychal Green TMB OG

    i've noticed, unlike other shows, i really havent had any favorite episodes. they all just make me want to keep following the lives of these petulant, unfaithful characters. I tend to hate everyone not named Peggy, but I love the show
  19. CC

    CC Waiting for moments that never come Donor TMB OG

    I agree with this although there are a few standout episodes I feel like. From what you have seen, the consensus in this thread is that The Wheel and the one where Don goes to Los Angeles are definitely up there. In season 3, My Old Kentucky Home (I think it's the third episode) is also one of my favorites
  20. The Blackfish

    The Blackfish Family, Duty, Honor? Whatever Staff Member Donor TMB OG

    The Suitcase
  21. i am a bammer

    i am a bammer Ben Eblen>Jamychal Green TMB OG

    I did enjoy the episode where a certain character pissed his pants
  22. LKRFN88jp

    LKRFN88jp Husking Staff Member Donor TMB OG

    This. The Wheel was great, but damn, The Suitcase is just a different level of television. One of my favorite episodes of any show.
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  23. CC

    CC Waiting for moments that never come Donor TMB OG

    He's only watched 2 seasons so far, thus the Suitcase omission :crossedarms:
  24. laxjoe

    laxjoe Well-Known Member Donor

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  25. CC

    CC Waiting for moments that never come Donor TMB OG

  26. steamengine

    steamengine Fiscally liberal, socially conservative Donor

    Sees slide #29

    Welp, time for an avatar change.
  27. Biff Bridges

    Biff Bridges The words, you're good with the words man Donor TMB OG

    Not necessarily.

    Look at the time :smug:
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  28. Flagpole

    Flagpole catch the blast of a hype post Donor

    I rewatched The Suitcase because I was bored, and immediately started power watching the rest of season 4 again.

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  29. laxjoe

    laxjoe Well-Known Member Donor

    When AMC sent TV critics a review copy of the two-hour "Mad Men" fifth season premiere (Sunday at 9 p.m.), they attached a note from series creator Matthew Weiner, who is both more paranoid about spoilers, and has a broader definition of what constitutes a spoiler, than any showrunner I've ever encountered. So it wasn't a surprise that the letter included a list of details from the premiere that Weiner asked us to not reveal, like "What year is it?" and "What happened with Don and Megan?" and "Did Joan have the baby?" The list is thorough enough that I think the only premiere details I imagine Weiner would be entirely comfortable with me revealing are that Roger Sterling says several funny things, Pete Campbell pouts over a perceived slight, and Harry Crane acts obnoxious — and only because those things happen in every episode of "Mad Men."

    I think there's a point at which Weiner's spoiler phobia actually undersells the show he's making. While there are certainly "Mad Men" twists I'm glad I didn't know about in advance, the genius of the show resides much less in the "what" than the "how."

    Last season, for instance, a paparazzo took pictures of Jon Hamm and Jessica Paré acting flirty in a hotel pool during filming of the season finale, and the photos were published even before Hamm's Don Draper and Paré's Megan Calvet were any kind of item on the show, let alone before he impulsively proposed marriage to her in the finale. I was irked to learn of the photos way ahead of time, which seemed to suggest a number of things that were coming later in the season. But seeing exactly how it played out — not just in terms of plot mechanics, but in the unnerving Stepford Don smile that Jon Hamm wore for a good chunk of that finale — was plenty satisfying even if some of the surprise factor was taken away.

    "Mad Men" handles its secrets well, but the artistry of the series is so strong that it plays almost as well even if certain things come pre-spoiled. And by expending so much energy to guard those secrets, Weiner can create the false impression that they're the show's greatest strength, when instead it's the smaller moments between the characters as they struggle to connect with one another and to adapt to a terrifying, rapidly-changing world.

    Still, I'll honor Weiner's request. And since I can't write about what's happening at the moment for the staff of Sterling Cooper Draper Pryce — or even when that moment is, or what's happened in between moments — let's instead take a look at what's happened in the real world since we last saw Don and Roger and Pete and Peggy and Joan and all the rest.

    When Sunday rolls around, it will have been a little over 17 months — 525 days, if we're being exact — since AMC last aired an original episode of "Mad Men." Over that span, we've had two World Series champions, two Super Bowls, an earthquake in Japan, war in Syria and other uprisings in the Middle East, and approximately 150 different Republican presidential debates.

    "Mad Men" last appeared on our televisions as the reigning Emmy winner for best drama, and won another of those trophies during the long hiatus. But even before it went away for a while, it was running neck-and-neck with AMC neighbor "Breaking Bad" for that title among many critics. During the hiatus, "Bad" had another incredible season, while FX's "Justified" took a major leap forward in quality, and Showtime's "Homeland" and HBO's "Game of Thrones" both had exceptional debut seasons.

    At the same time, HBO has introduced a pair of other dramas — the Scorsese-directed "Boardwalk Empire" (whose first season overlapped with part of the "Mad Men" fourth) and the Hoffman/Nolte/Milch/Mann super team-up "Luck" — which were so talent-laden that one or both were supposed to break AMC's Emmy stranglehold and reassert the pay cabler's position as the place for quality TV. But while "Boardwalk" has been a moderate success (which I like a lot), all but one of its Emmy wins came in the technical categories, where "Luck" was low-rated but renewed, then canceled after several horses died during filming, and (though I also like it a lot) it doesn't seem any kind of Emmy favorite.

    Meanwhile, the broadcast networks introduced a pair of dramas last fall — NBC's "The Playboy Club" and ABC's "Pan Am" — set in the "Mad Men" era. Neither was exactly a clone (though the writing for and styling of Eddie Cibrian's "Playboy" character was pretty Draper-esque), but the commercial and creative failures of each illustrated that doing a '60s drama requires a lot more than getting the clothes, hairstyles and topical references right.

    When I interviewed Weiner in January, we talked about the potentially increased competition. He laughed and asked, " You think that I'm upset when there's good things on TV? I think it's good. I compete with everybody, but I think the more good stuff there is, the more TV people watch."

    He did, however, lament that "Mad Men" is now an entrenched veteran — "I still want my special excuses: We're new! You don't understand us!" — before insisting, "We're always going to be an underdog. The show is very specific and it's very peculiar."

    And as it returns on Sunday, it is still specific, and peculiar, and the same "Mad Men" it ever was. It is smart and funny in some moments, sad and ugly in others. It is meticulously, beautifully observed. It understands its characters intimately, and recognizes that its viewers understand them as well and don't need to be spoon-fed. (Many of the best moments in the premiere, as they've been for the life of the series, come from silence, or from what isn't being said.) It has a deep, versatile cast that it uses tremendously(*). It is great to look at, and listen to.

    (*) The most baffling thing about "Mad Men" and the Emmys is that while it dominates many categories, no one has ever won an Emmy for acting on the show. And after Jon Hamm failed to win last time out — when perennial winner Bryan Cranston was ineligible, and when he had what seemed to be the award-baiting episode to end all award-baiting episodes in "The Suitcase" — I wonder if any actor from the show ever will win one. And this is why awards are silly, whether "Mad Men" is winning or losing them.

    It is, after all this time, "Mad Men." And despite all the comings and goings on TV in the last 17 months, despite the great work being done on FX and HBO and Showtime, the premiere suggests that the only other show that belongs with it in the discussion for the best drama on television is the same one we were talking about last season. There is "Breaking Bad," and there is — finally, thankfully, exceptionally — "Mad Men," and then there is everything else.
  30. Sam Elliott

    Sam Elliott Job title: Assistant Bouncer at the Double Deuce

    Bump for the big day

  31. kezarmyaj

    kezarmyaj look in the tunk Donor TMB OG

  32. LKRFN88jp

    LKRFN88jp Husking Staff Member Donor TMB OG

    So excited.
  33. Sam Elliott

    Sam Elliott Job title: Assistant Bouncer at the Double Deuce

    Just moved into a new place so I don't have cable yet, anywhere online that this might be streaming?
  34. ndpat3130

    ndpat3130 Well-Known Member Donor TMB OG

  35. CC

    CC Waiting for moments that never come Donor TMB OG

  36. Capstone 88

    Capstone 88 Going hard in the paint Donor

    Frantically trying to finish up previous seasons. I'm on Ep 3 of Season 3. Won't be able to watch tonight :(
  37. Dayneface

    Dayneface Touch & Go Like A Dantonio Heartbeat Staff Member Donor

  38. CC

    CC Waiting for moments that never come Donor TMB OG

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  39. thegenerel

    thegenerel Well-Known Member Donor

    So scared.
  40. The Blackfish

    The Blackfish Family, Duty, Honor? Whatever Staff Member Donor TMB OG

    I would love to hate fuck the shit out of Betty
  41. southlick

    southlick Centaur Donor TMB OG

    Tempted to go pick up some scotch
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  42. The Blackfish

    The Blackfish Family, Duty, Honor? Whatever Staff Member Donor TMB OG

    Have some Glenlivet 12 I'll be imbibing tonight
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  43. phunkybuck

    phunkybuck Your pennies have been in my ass Donor TMB OG

    love seeing this thread bumped

    watched the s.4 finale earlier in preparation
  44. Charlie Conway

    Charlie Conway Touch that thang fo Donor

    What is it that Don is always drinking in the office?
  45. Kevintensity

    Kevintensity Noles, Thunder, Barves, Buccaneers

  46. The Blackfish

    The Blackfish Family, Duty, Honor? Whatever Staff Member Donor TMB OG

  47. LeVar Burton

    LeVar Burton Popped a molly, I'm sweatin' WHOA!

  48. CC

    CC Waiting for moments that never come Donor TMB OG

  49. CC

    CC Waiting for moments that never come Donor TMB OG


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  50. bstaple12

    bstaple12 Nole World Order

    Don't get AMC here at my apartment at school :facepalm:

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