The Citadel/Maester conspiracy (all book spoilers)

Discussion in 'Game of Thrones (ASOIAF)' started by andres 3000, Feb 12, 2012.

  1. three stacks

    three stacks we eat so many shrimp, I got iodine poisoning

    i've been reading some of the forums on westeros.org and some posters over there have a theory that it was the citadel that was behind the dragons dying out and the end of house targaryen. anyone know more about this?
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  2. zeberdee

    zeberdee Señor Savior

    I definitely think we're about to find out that there's some shady stuff going on at the Citadel. not sure if it's related to killing the dragons though.
  3. three stacks

    three stacks we eat so many shrimp, I got iodine poisoning

    the stuff i've been reading is pretty deep and i don't believe some of it. some of the conspiracy theorists claim that the maesters, at the command of the archmaesters at the citadel, were advising their respective lords to raise up against the targaryens. great houses rarely married into one another, but in one year you have a stark betrothed to a tully, a baratheon to a stark, a tully to a lannister, all while eddard and robert are being fostered at the vale.
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  4. zeberdee

    zeberdee Señor Savior

    that's a pretty good point.

    link to the thread?
  5. three stacks

    three stacks we eat so many shrimp, I got iodine poisoning

  6. zeberdee

    zeberdee Señor Savior

    just started reading about Varys, and two things that jump out to me immediately is 1. doesn't Varys use magic? didn't Tyrion discover that he used a counter gravity spell to move the bed and get to the secret passage in the Red Keep? and 2. if Varys is helping rid the world of dragons and the Targaryens, why would he be trying to clear the way for Aegon's return? even if he is an impostor, their plan still seems to be to unite him with Dany, right?

    I'm gonna keep reading though. Sundays are so boring without football.
  7. zeberdee

    zeberdee Señor Savior

    how do they know so much about Rickard and Maester Walys?
  8. three stacks

    three stacks we eat so many shrimp, I got iodine poisoning

    that's what seemed so odd and wrong to me. i know lady ryswell hated maester walys and called maesters grey rats. her conversation to theon about rickard's "southron ambitions" seem to be the only basis for this
  9. zeberdee

    zeberdee Señor Savior

    yea unless there is some other writing that I'm not aware of, I feel like they're making a shitload of assumptions.
  10. three stacks

    three stacks we eat so many shrimp, I got iodine poisoning

  11. Cawgs or Gie!

    Cawgs or Gie! The next Jordy Nelson, obviously.

    Tyrion was making a joke. Shae said it magically rose from the ground. Tyron said sarcastically that it was a counterweight spell. He just meant that there was an unseen counterweight that would be engaged when varys pulled a lever.
  12. three stacks

    three stacks we eat so many shrimp, I got iodine poisoning

    yea, there was no way varys used magic there
  13. zeberdee

    zeberdee Señor Savior

    wrong thread
  14. Spontaneous Cumbustion

    Spontaneous Cumbustion I <3 boobies

    Great choice of icon
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  15. Dan Patrick

    Dan Patrick Fan of: Roll Tide and Vagina

    lol at the ppl on that website that act this is written history. Its a really good story but jeez some ppl take it way to far.
  16. Larry Sura

    Larry Sura EC4L

    you're not one of us
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  17. SWT

    SWT - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

    You need to slow your roll, basada
  18. Dan Patrick

    Dan Patrick Fan of: Roll Tide and Vagina

  19. ColeTrickle

    ColeTrickle tmb scares me to death

    I just posted this in the book 5 thread but I forgot about this part from the end of book 4 about Marwyn.

  20. three stacks

    three stacks we eat so many shrimp, I got iodine poisoning

    i totally forgot about that. the conspiracy is so much easier to believe because of that
  21. ColeTrickle

    ColeTrickle tmb scares me to death

    Plus I feel like most maesters are anti-magic. Luwin was always shooting down Nan's stories. Aemon was definitely unique in his embracing old stories and magic.
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  22. Cawgs or Gie!

    Cawgs or Gie! The next Jordy Nelson, obviously.

    I've seen that too, and I think it is tied in with the quote that keeps coming up about how sorcery is a sword without a sheath. Dragons bring magic/sorcery. Magic/sorcery are impossible to harness once unleashed, and is therefore a huge danger to the world. Kill dragons, kill magic. Kill dragons, remove a huge danger to humanity.

    The best example in our lives is Religious leaders trying to stop scientific discovery (stem cells, cloning, etc.), which would put the archmaesters on the wrong side in my opinion.

    While sorcery may be dangerous, experimentation and learning may lead to methods of controlling it, which would be of a greater long term benefit to humanity. Marwyn is like a Galileo or Copernicus of his time.
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  23. Larry Sura

    Larry Sura EC4L

    ZOLTAN
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  24. zeberdee

    zeberdee Señor Savior

    just noticed another small detail that I found interesting. when Ghost leads Jon to the dragonglass near the Fist of the First Men, Jon remarks that it's called dragonglass, but the Maesters call it obsedian. interesting that the Maesters go out of their way to call it something that does not refer to dragons.
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  25. ColeTrickle

    ColeTrickle tmb scares me to death

    GRRM trying to make us think that scene wasn't significant. Ghost done found the Horn of Joramun.
  26. zeberdee

    zeberdee Señor Savior

    well yea, that too. but I was just referring to it in the context of the maester conspiracy theory.
  27. ColeTrickle

    ColeTrickle tmb scares me to death

    Yeah it's funny I never really caught the Maesters angle until I went back and read about it online
  28. ChileanNole

    ChileanNole New Member

    interesting...will read those linked threads from westeros. I always had a feeling that The Citadel would have a bigger impact in the overall story
  29. three stacks

    three stacks we eat so many shrimp, I got iodine poisoning

    a lot of stuff there is fan fic being based as canon so be careful what you read
  30. ChileanNole

    ChileanNole New Member

    oh i know, those people are crazy lol thanks for the heads up tho
  31. jorge

    jorge Just tryin' out this Football fad

    What do you mean?
  32. three stacks

    three stacks we eat so many shrimp, I got iodine poisoning

    Some posters believe their theories so much they believe them to be absolute fact. I'm not saying they're baseless, but they believe them as if they were absolute facts
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  33. jorge

    jorge Just tryin' out this Football fad

    Okay. Thanks. I'll keep that in mind.
  34. three stacks

    three stacks we eat so many shrimp, I got iodine poisoning

  35. jorge

    jorge Just tryin' out this Football fad

    After reading up this I'm thinking its more likely than not.
  36. zeberdee

    zeberdee Señor Savior

    this is why I desperately want a Marwyn POV
  37. GBG_24

    GBG_24 Ya'll ready to smash some fruit?!?

    Didn't Ned read, in the book about the lineages of all the houses in Westeros, about multiple times when Baratheons married Lannisters? He figured Joff wasn't a Baratheon because all the prior times that Baratheons and Lannisters hooked up the Baratheon dark hair was the dominant gene, plus all of Robert's bastards had dark hair. Do we really know that it was uncommon for powerful houses to intermarry?
  38. three stacks

    three stacks we eat so many shrimp, I got iodine poisoning

    yes because no lannister married a baratheon before robert and cersei. with the exception of some targaryens who married martells and some smaller houses, the great houses never married
  39. Arrec Bardwin

    Arrec Bardwin Sammie black as fuck

    That isn't true.
  40. three stacks

    three stacks we eat so many shrimp, I got iodine poisoning

    of course i may be wrong, but what are the exceptions?
  41. LT8

    LT8 New Member

    Catelyn Tully and Ned, Lisa Tully and Jon Arryn. Couple more examples but those just off the top of my head. But yeah most of the time the great houses didn't intermarry they strengthened their own position by marrying bannermen.
  42. zeberdee

    zeberdee Señor Savior

    lol you're making his point for him.
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  43. three stacks

    three stacks we eat so many shrimp, I got iodine poisoning

    the only exception i can find of a great house marrying into each other before the events surrounding robert's rebellion (other than targaryen/martell) is when robert's grandfather married a targaryen
  44. WPS OTM

    WPS OTM ESJ PRC GBR STB RIP ABP TSM USA SEC SEC HTH NFM

    Never though about it that way, when you hear about the older generations the great lords usually married the daughters of the lords that paid fealty to them (Mace tyrell's mom was a Redwyne, Ned's mother was a Flint ect). Interesting.
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  45. WPS OTM

    WPS OTM ESJ PRC GBR STB RIP ABP TSM USA SEC SEC HTH NFM

    The quote is sorcery is a sword without a hilt, and it's not unique to asoiaf. It means that it is difficult to wield as well as being extremely dangerous for the user as well as the intended target.
  46. jorge

    jorge Just tryin' out this Football fad

    They never mentioned that it was unusual when Oberyn and Elia were going to marry Jaime and Cersei.
  47. zeberdee

    zeberdee Señor Savior

    I feel like that plays into the theory considering it was all happening around the same time.
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  48. zeberdee

    zeberdee Señor Savior

    and I think it's ridiculous that the Martell's thought Oberyn had a realistic shot at marrying Cersei. he wasn't even the heir to Dorne. Tywin would never go for that.
  49. jorge

    jorge Just tryin' out this Football fad

    From what I gather, Joanna had Tywin by the balls because of how much he loved her. It was her that arranged it and Tywin only rejected it because Joanna died before their(Edit: The Martells) arrival... I'm guessing thats when he got the illusions of grandeur of her marrying Rhaegar.
  50. steamengine

    steamengine Paris is stale

    What am I missing here?

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