***US Soccer Youth Prospects Thread

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  1. miles

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    Team really lacks width/pace in general. Kinda make up for it with good passing, but I really can't understand why a guy like Gaines couldn't have helped us a ton there.
     
  2. miles

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    Good article on Sargent from Parchman http://www.topdrawersoccer.com/the91stminute/2017/05/josh-sargent-is-an-american-revelation/

    I want you to think about where Josh Sargent was exactly 15 days before the Ecuadorian U20 team etched a line in the sand and Sargent kicked it back in their faces.

    And, more specifically, who he was with.


    Sargent spent the latter part of April and the first week of May in Panama with the U17 MNT, the captain’s armband cinched to his bicep and the scoring load dropped firmly on his shoulders with the help of an industrial strength crane. In Panama, Sargent had the full burden of responsibility as the center forward, and he delivered. Again. And again. And again. Sargent scored five times in six games and hit his penalty in the finale shootout against Mexico that ultimately ended a missed take shy of a title. If that part stung, it didn’t really matter. With an immense amount of help from Sargent, the U17 MNT qualified for the World Cup later this year.

    Now imagine Sargent’s two weeks in the days that followed. He’d only been called into a U20 MNT camp once, back in January as an exploratory measure in case he might be ready for the U20 World Cup. U20 MNT coach Tab Ramos had discussed bringing Sargent into U20 qualifying in February, but that plan was dashed to keep Sargent with his 17s. Still, the idea gnawed at Ramos, and it became even more stark after Sargent dynamited CONCACAF in Panama.

    Two days after the U17 MNT lost to Mexico in the U17 final, Ramos announced his U20 roster. Sargent was on it, now the youngest player on Ramos’ roster. From captain to competing against two center forwards who’d spent the better part of the year in professional systems. Sargent would have precious little time to shift his cone of vision, from carrying the bulk of the emotional weight for the U17 team to finding a way to fit in with older players, most of them full-fledged professionals, he scarcely knew. And he’d have to fly around the world to South Korea on a few days’ notice.

    Sargent’s role was immediately of the highest interest. The U.S. hadn’t struggled defensively this cycle – in truth it rarely does under Ramos’ watch – but the finishing was objectively poor in qualifying. Had Ramos had better options available, Jeremy Ebobisse probably would’ve lost his job even sooner than he did. But would he really start Sargent in the opener on May 22 against Ecuador literally 15 days after competing in a high-intensity U17 tournament? That jump is stark, as any youth player can tell you. But doing it directly into a U20 World Cup, against South America’s second-best U20 team at the moment, might be borderline mad.

    Or might it not be?

    Sargent, it would seem, is cut from different cloth. Sargent scored twice against Ecuador, punctuating a wild series of comebacks from 2-0 down and then 3-2 down with seconds left to play. The U.S. earned the point with a 3-3 result, and Sargent’s role in that was as pivotal as anyone’s.

    Sargent’s first was a deceptively difficult finish. His first touch ran the ball up his leg a bit, which meant Sargent had to wait for it to drop to his feet before striking through. He let it bounce, while still in motion, stilled his body shape and dropped the hammer at the near post. Watch Sargent’s eyes through this whole thing. He never lifts them. This sort of instinctual feel for his positioning is almost impossible to teach.

    The second was another deceptively difficult finish on a somewhat awkwardly-heighted but otherwise quality cross from Brooks Lennon. Sargent broke open in the box, and Lennon lined him up in his crosshairs, but his cross was slightly back and low. Sargent never broke his stride and adjusted mid-air to Lennon’s ball, smartly pushing it low to use the trajectory to bounce it past the keeper.

    A lesser striker attempts to air this ball out, but that’d have killed the chance. His body plane is too low, and any attempt to pick out a top corner without the help of the ground would’ve sent this thing careening into the 10th row. Sargent knew better.

    Again, remind yourself where Sargent was 15 days ago.

    Allow me to redirect you to a comment Ramos made about Sargent before the tournament, featuring a fairly lofty, if oblique, reference.

    “In the end, whether he plays at the U17 World Cup after this or not, I think the possibility will be there, but it’s sort of the same scenario with Christian (Pulisic), obviously at a different level. Some players sometimes outgrow an age group, and if they have to move on we have to remember here the youth national teams are here to provide a good experience internationally, and I think Josh will get that with us hopefully and let’s see what the future brings.”

    Sargent was fast-tracked to this tournament because his talent demanded it, and Ramos duly started him because he’s the hottest USYNT player on form in the entire pool regardless of position. All he did was score twice, on the biggest YNT stage in the world, 13 days after finding out he’d even be included in the first place. So yes, Josh Sargent is a fairly big deal.

    Sargent will almost certainly be decamping for Europe soon, and it would seem that Germany is his most likely destination after a tour through that country earlier this year brought training opportunities with several Bundesliga teams. One presumes he’ll have his pick after blasting a top South American defense in his first game as the youngest player on the field. For now, we simply get to revel in one of the most rapid ascendances in recent U.S. Soccer history.

    Thought the bolded was pretty impressive. Kind of a shit pass from DLT to send a bouncing ball to a guy 15 feet away
     
  3. triceratops

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  4. miles

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    That seems like it could be a really good place for him. He'll get some great training- and Bremen is a solid club, but probably not good enough to where he would have a super hard time breaking into the first team a while down the road.
     
  5. zeberdee

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    sounds like a torn ACL for Zelalem.
     
  6. goheels10

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    yep...

     
  7. miles

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    Hate to say it but at this point if he's ever a significant contributor for the MNT I'll be surprised.
     
  8. elfrid

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    rip zelly

    never forget asia tour 2013
     
  9. triceratops

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    Agree.

    20 year old who made 9 appearances in the Dutch Second Division last year.

    Zelalem Isn't an attacking player, but isn't physical enough to be DM. High level skill seems to be non-attacking passes. Not sure how that translate, but his star has been fading pretty rapidly for me. Looks like more of a MLS type league or player on a low-level type team in the Top 4 as a ceiling.

    More excited about dozens of other prospects at this point and this will set him back further.
     
  10. miles

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    Yeah. Really good at keeping possession both in passing and dribbling, but is never going to dribble past guys, doesn't have much of an attacking mindset, and has always struggled with physicality.

    Thought it was a bad sign when Hyndman was one of the Rangers best players this year and he had a hard time even getting on the field, last.
     
  11. miles

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    Senegal game is on at 6. Not sure yet if I'm gonna get up for the beginning of it.
     
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  13. snowfx2

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    Goodness that was nice
     
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  14. El_Pato

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    What a play
     
  15. SugarShaun

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    Damn that would've been incredible
     
  16. ChileanNole

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    Fun match so far
     
  17. Thoros of Beer

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    tab taking a page out of jurgen's book with no substitutes
     
  18. ChileanNole

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    Good job on beating the Senegal U-28 team
     
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  19. football501

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    Saw that Saudi Arabia beat Ecuador 2-1. That's quite unexpected right?
     
  20. miles

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    Yep
     
  21. miles

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    Didn't get to watch much of it. How'd we look?

    That Sargent goal was filthy btw
     
  22. SaturdaysAtDoak

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    I think the best way to describe it was organized. Back like played off of each other and never really let Senegal get any open runs. Midfield possessed the ball well and the wingers, specifically Lennon put some really good crosses in front of goal. Probably unlucky we didnt get another. Sargent continues to impress just with his maturity and calm headedness. Dont think he will ever wow anyone with athleticism, but has great touch and seems to just always put the ball on target. Will be fun to watch him progress to see what he becomes.
     
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  23. snowfx2

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    Yeah a very tactical performance. Missing a ball circulator like Zelalem but it was a very solid performance. The spine of the team with CCV, EPB, Jones, and Adams were particularly good.

    If we win the group, play either New Zealand, Honduras, or Vietnam in R16.
     
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  24. tne

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    Adams is the dude.
     
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  25. snowfx2

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    Ginger Drogba

     
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  26. miles

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    Maybe the most under-hyped prospect for us right now.
     
  27. miles

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    Kind of figured this would happen after the last 2 games. With how good he's looked even after a step up in competition, it seems like Bremen are going to have competition from bigger clubs. Bremen's (Probably shittily translated) statement:

    "We've been watching him for quite some time," says Werder's sports chef Frank Baumann, "Josh is one of the greatest talents in his year in the US." This is what the player currently shows impressively in the US jersey selection. And that has consequences. "He has aroused the interest of many well-known clubs through his achievements," continued Baumann, "so a commitment is rather unrealistic."
     
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  28. Arrec Bardwin

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    Hnnnggggg at Sargent.

    Big fan of Adams too, he looked great on and off the ball this game.
     
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  29. miles

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    PSV is reportedly another team interested in Sargent.

    Either of those options seem quite appealing.
     
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  30. Corky Bucek

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    Should go to Ajax imo
     
  31. Sam Elliott

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    After watching Ajax in Europa I'd love to see US youth talent land there.
     
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  32. miles

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  33. miles

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    Schalke's u19's played Dortmund today and it was the Haji and Nick show. Hat trick for Wright and a brace for Taitague.
     
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  35. Rootgers

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    I'll let you be assistant captain
     
  36. football501

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    CCV, Jones, and Herrera all out for the game against the Kiwis on cards
     
  37. miles

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    Jesus our back line
     
  38. miles

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  39. snowfx2

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    Only 14 field players available for New Zealand after getting CONCACAF'd by the Peruvian ref.

    If we win, Venezuela/Japan will have 2 extra days rest on us for the QF's.
     
  40. elfrid

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    if we have to play with 14, at least we get to face new zealand and not mexico or uruguay
     
  41. miles

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    We should still win, but it's going to be a lot harder than it should with no CCV and Jones
     
  42. snowfx2

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    Looks like NZ is losing their 2 best players because they're joining their NT for the Confederations Cup.
     
  43. Homo Erectus

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    Evens out the odds a bit
     
  44. miles

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  45. miles

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    So, pretty shitty story regarding 19 YO Keaton Parks at Varzim in Portugal's second division. He was in a weird situation where he had made his debut right after he turned 19, played well enough to quickly establish himself as a starter, and then abruptly stopped playing. At all.

    -Parks was linked to a move to Benefica
    -Varzim's president previously made a deal with another club for Parks without his consent/knowledge and so his move to Benefica does not go through
    -Parks' agent nixes the deal with the other club
    -Varzim then refuses to play Parks or pay him
    -Parks sues Varzim, wins, and cuts ties with Varzim (obvi)

    No one knows what he's going to do next but supposedly there is interest out there from solid clubs. Flown pretty under the radar, but seems like a good prospect.
     
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  46. miles

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    He retweeted this

     
  47. football501

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    Anybody watching the youngsters?
     
  48. snowfx2

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    What a goal by Ebobisse
     
  49. football501

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    Stellar second goal
     
  50. JGator1

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    Ebobisse beast mode