What theories do you buy into and what do you think will happen in the upcoming books?

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  1. Fuzzy Zoeller

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    Here's something I've been wondering lately - is there any explanation for the gap in age between Aerys' kids?

    Rhaegar was old enough to have 2 kids of his own when he died. Mid-20's at least. And Viserys was between 5 and 7 at the time of Danerys' birth.
     
  2. Veal&Eggs

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    Maybe pursuing some Lannister interests ...

    Rhaegar born 259AL, Cersei/Jaime born 266AL, Tyrion born 274AL
     
  3. pennstate2012

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    Maybe Tyrion, but I tend to think Cersei and Jamie are true Lannisters.
     
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    Yes, they fit the mold perfectly.
     
  5. Fuzzy Zoeller

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    Even if Tyrion is a Targ, he was still delivered by Joanna Lannister.
     
  6. pennstate2012

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    He would be a bastard Targ rather than a true Lannister.
     
  7. Artoo

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    Yeah, been a minute since I rad them but how many other characters share a name? There aren't really very many, even minor characters that share a name, let alone two more important characters.
     
  8. Phil Weston

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    i just wanna know who rides the other 2 dragons. i hope that people do and he doesn't just have 2 of them die.
     
  9. Artoo

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    Two of them are definitely not dying. Not sure if they will all have riders though. I hope so. I hope Jon is on one hut I could also see Dany just ride one and lead the others.
     
  10. AIP

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    euron is daario
     
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  11. DuckD

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    No
     
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  12. OHW

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    with teleportation powers
     
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  13. zeberdee

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    yea if someone can explain to me logistically how they are the same person I might actually give that theory the time of day.
     
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  14. zeberdee

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    also the whole part about Daario having two eyes and Euron only having one that isn't black.
     
  15. OHW

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  16. Champ

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    I spent a lot of time on the ASOIF reddit reading theories while the board was down and there are some wacked out ones on there
     
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  18. Ace Boogie

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    Like skin stealing immortal Roose "Bolt-on" Bolton?
     
  19. Ace Boogie

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    The Euron=Daario theory is new to me.

     
  20. Fuzzy Zoeller

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    SOLD!
     
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  21. Krieger

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    even weirder one

    books spoilers obvs

     
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  22. zeberdee

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    after listening to that I would love to get on board with Daario=Euron, but I still don't see how it would work logistically. there are a lot of similarities, but I think it is just the character type that GRRM likes to use. the sweet-talking, slick-fighting bad guy. it could be really cool if it could work, but I don't think it can.
     
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  23. zeberdee

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    I am so far down the rabbit hole right now.
     
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  24. lastsonofkrypton

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    I didn't dive in yet but if Euron didn't hire a Faceless man to kill Balon & then impersonate him at the kingsmoot & Pyke I don't see how it's possible.
     
  25. OHW

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    That Preston Jacobs guy on YouTube thinks that Euron hiring the faceless man is a misdirect by George. He also believes Daario is Euron.
    He gets to it in part 4.




     
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  26. Cronk

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    I can't find the thread I have argued this in the past and no idea if it is gone but someone else is on board with the Syrio is Jaqen H'ghar theory finally (though she does acknowledge it is harder for it to be true in the books)

    Game of Thrones: The Insanely Great and Spoiler-Free Theory Behind Jaqen H’ghar’s Return
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    The following Game of Thrones theory is based purely on informed speculation and evidence that already exists in the show. No book spoilers or casting news were abused in the making of this post. But just the same and to be safe, here’s Ser Pounce with a spoiler warning anyway.

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    This week’s episode of Game of Thrones saw the welcome return of German actor Tom Wlaschiha as the mysterious Jaqen H’ghar. Some casting news and red-carpet appearances “spoiled” his surprise reveal for some, but since Jaqen H’ghar isn’t in the books at this point, there’s a chance Sunday night’s face-off moment came as a shock to show watchers and book readers alike.

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    H’ghar—or at least his face—is taking the place of a book character called the Kindly Man, a.k.a. the latest in a string of men mentoring Arya Stark. But given the shape-shifting nature of the Faceless Men, could we see the return of another memorable figure from Arya’s past? A new interview from Wlaschiha certainly opens that door. When asked about his character’s mysterious past, Wlaschiha told The Hollywood Reporter:

    It’s all part of a bigger plan. We still don’t know who Jaqen is and why he showed up in the story in the first place. It was never explained why he ended up in the black cells in King’s Landing and then went on that journey. It wasn’t a coincidence. It was all part of a bigger plan — that’s my theory.

    The “that’s my theory” coda here is either Wlaschiha hastily covering his spoiler bases, or this is all truly speculation on his part. But it’s worth asking how a highly trained assassin like H’ghar—the Anton Chigurh of Westeros—ever found himself in captivity. There’s a long-cherished book-reader theory about that and while it may never pay off in the novels, it’s entirely possible it could fit in the show. What if Jaqen H’ghar and Arya’s vivacious fencing instructor from Season 1, Syrio Forel, are the same person?

    There are some technical reasons why this can’t work in the books, but as far as the show is concerned, the timeline adds up. The last time we saw Forel was in Season 1, Episode 8. After besting a group of guards, he squared off against the villainous Ser Meryn Trant in order to protect Arya. At his insistence, Arya runs away before the confrontation between Trant and Forel is over. Could Forel still be alive? It’s entirely possible.

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    We didn’t meet Wlaschiha until Season 2, Episode 2, though the cage where his character is presumably restrained is introduced in Season 1, Episode 10. But two episodes is plenty of time for Forel to get himself down to the black cells, swap out his face (one again, this process is clearly more complicated in the books than it is on the show) and put himself in a position to be rounded up by Yoren and sent off the Wall with Arya.

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    As I’ve said several times now, this is a link that would only really work with what we know about the show versions of Syrio, Jaqen, and the Faceless Men, not what we know about the book versions. But there are also a couple more show-based indications that everyone’s favorite First Sword of Braavos could make a triumphant return. First, there’s the “God of Death” connection. “What do we say to the God of Death?” is Syrio’s most memorable line from Season 1. The House of Black and White is a temple dedicated to the God of Death.

    But if that’s too shaky a connection for you then let’s look at Arya’s death list. Many viewers have noticed that Arya’s morbid little mantra has been cut down significantly between Season 4 and Season 5. Missing from the list? Joffrey, Tywin Lannister, the Red Woman, Beric Dondarrion, Thoros of Myr, Ilyn Payne, and the Hound. Many of those people are obviously off the list because they’ve died, but the Red Woman (a.k.a. Melisandre), Beric Dondarrion, Thoros of Myr, and Ilyn Payne have all been mysteriously demoted. But more significant than who is missing, is who isn’t. Among very familiar figures like Cersei, Walder Frey (orchestrator of the Red Wedding), and the Mountain (on the slab in Qyburn’s lab) we find Arya huddled outside the House of Black and White chanting the relatively obscure name Meryn Trant. You might remember some of Trant’s greatest hits, like beating Sansa Stark in public, testifying against Tyrion Lannister, and, oh yes, allegedly murdering Syrio Forel.

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    Though Trant has been doing evil deeds on behalf of the Lannisters for five seasons (and we’ve already seen him twice this season), he hardly seems more deserving of a place on the list than, say, Melisandre, who stuck leeches to Arya’s friend Gendry before trying to have him burned alive. Could Trant’s name be there to remind us of what he allegedly did to Syrio? The book-reader theory that Syrio is (a) not dead (b) a Faceless Man or (c) Jaqen H’ghar is largely based on wishful thinking. But as a show theory, we are on much firmer ground. The HBO series loves recycling old characters instead of trotting out new ones. (Case in point, the re-use of Jaqen H’ghar.) So will we see the triumphant return of Syrio (in some form) back to teach Arya even more valuable life lessons? A girl can hope.

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  27. Doug

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    Don't think he is Syrio- but there is definitely more to the Jaquen story, or it's a pretty big plot hole for GRRM. How does a faceless man of his skill get captured, and stay captured?
     
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  28. London Humphreys

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    Because he was looking for something in the Red Keep and was using the tunnels to snoop. Perhaps he found information that told him what he was looking for was in Old Town.
     
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  29. Marv

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    Boiled leather podcast goes over some of the popular theories and offers their opinion on each. Not too much in depth but still a good listen.
     
  30. RockHardJawn39

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    Link?
    I thought this has been "myth busted" before in the previous version of this thread?
     
  31. OHW

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    Am I the only one who thinks House Dayne has a really important roll to play?
     
  32. Marv

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    I found it by searching through downcast
     
  33. Marv

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    Yeah theres a theory about Dawn being Lightbringer
     
  34. OHW

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    I think they may have some connection to R'hllor too with Beric Dondarrion being betrothed to Allyria Dayne and having Ned as his squire... Idk, maybe I've got some tinfoil hat going on.
     
  35. OHW

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    With them being such an old house and talked up so much and Eddard's connection to the house, there's just gotta be something more to it. :twocents:
     
  36. UA412

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    After episode 3, pretty much in my head that Syrio = Jaqen is confirmed.
     
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  37. OHW

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    Yeah, I didn't buy that theory before but they definitely hinted at it.
     
  38. Doug

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    Ok I must've missed that- what was the hint
     
  39. OHW

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    Paraphrasing - Jaqen says there's only one god and "a girl knows his name."
     
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    My post was kind of a joke, but they showed a similarity between the two last night.
    Syrio: "There is only one God. Death. And what do we say to death? Not today."
    Jaqen said something like: "There is only one God, and a girl knows its name."
     
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  41. Doug

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    Oh ok yeah I heard that- didn't put it together with Syrio though, thought he was just saying how much death Arya has seen... does make sense though
     
  42. UA412

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    It could just be a "hey this is how everyone from braavos speaks."
     
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  43. The Blackfish

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    The show has departed from the books so much it astounds me that people (looking at you UA412 ) will still think that something that happens in the show either confirms or disproves something in the books.
     
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  44. AIP

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    Love the preston Jacob stuff but he is off on that one, but would like to believe it
     
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  45. UA412

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    It was suppose to be a joke. Obviously they aren't the same person.
     
  46. Swt

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    So is everyone on board now with Aegon being a fake little shit since the show looks to be leaving him out?

    give tyrian his goddamn dragon
     
  47. slhorn

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    Looking at you Swt
     
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    show just cutting out the fluff. They know the ending and don't have time to beat around the bush for two decades eating themselves into irrelevance.
     
  49. Champ

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    Tyrian? Might as well call him Tyrone. Fuck you.
     
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  50. Doug

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    Just thought about something and I'm sure it's been discussed before..

    I think we all agree rl=j, but in the first book it's a big deal about Jon burning his hand. If he is to be the 2nd head of the dragon shouldn't he be a little more tolerant of heat?