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Werder Bremen DelapThrows - Phillipp Wollscheid - Stoke City
I like sticking with the 2 from each of the 4 big leagues, 2 other and wildcard. I forget, how are transfers handled? If they are official we use the new club?
That's what I thought we did last year so Xhaka and Gundogen would be EPL not Bundesliga. Just wanted to clarify
What about ditching the league requirement? I like the concept, but it ends up getting messed up with injuries/lineup changes, and then we don't have to worry about who transfers where, when
I think we should keep it, I like that it forces people to mix it up but if we were to ditch it I think the max should be 3 per league. 5 is too many
I like the limit requirement. Would be fine not doing it just for something new... But I vote we keep it.
I have about 12 hours of driving this weekend so I'll have to probably relay some picks ahead of time to another user if we start then. It's wedding season. Joy.
ok looks like more people are in favor of the league requirement so I guess we'll stick with that. anything else people want to change? otherwise I guess bwi2 is on the clock.
I don't get much chance to check during the day but I'll try to check in. zeberdee if you send me something on groupme I'll get an alert though and a few people have my number
Yeah that is normally done after the draft but if you are worried someone is going to steal Lividpool you can call them
Robert Lewandowski, ST Bayern Munich Spoiler edited very quickly once I realized Ligue 1 was not a requirement
the stern but sensual skipper of the USS Rough Service hasn't been around since this morning so this could be a while.