I've thought about this a lot. And more and more I think Hillcuck is just as bad as Trump. I'm leaning toward voting for Gary, just to absolve myself of any responsibility over who becomes our president.
Hello! Lurker who sympathizes with the libertarian party but votes left bc tbh I've seen some of your supporters and what they preach but don't believe they'll practice it. Watched the town hall and have read up on your policies. Not trying to be divisive here, just genuinely interested in the answer to what I'll ask below Hypothetical question for the thread: Let's say you live in a key battleground state. (FL, OH, VA, NC). The race is really close and it might be decided if you vote for one of the two parties. Who gets your vote? Reason why I ask is that it seems like a state or two could turn on your presence, especially if GJ gets national momentum. Not going to jump down your throat if you say Trump, I promise. Honestly think he's going to win anyway
I'm beginning to think I will not be able to stomach voting for either Trump or Hillary. I want to like Gary Johnson so much, but I'm having a hard time taking him seriously. I'm keeping an open mind through November.
I live in Ohio and I'd rather grow out my armpit hair and dye it in a fuchsia chevron pattern to match my palazzo pants than vote for either of these abominations
my vote isn't going to swing the national results. or state results. or county results. or city results. It wont even have a significant effect on my polling location results. I'd rather just vote for someone I agree most with, rather than the lesser of 2 evils, neither of whom I agree with or like very much. also, polls have allegedly shown that libertarians draw more from Hillary's than Trump's
interested to see the breakdown of the following in this topic: - here for a 3rd party, dont care who it is and/or protest vote - alienated republican/democrat - "LINO" free market progressive types like gary johnson - "classic" american libertarian i.e. ron paul supporter - anarcho-capitalist ill hang up and listen
Fortunately I don't have to make that decision since I live in a solid blue state so the electoral college makes my decisions for me.
Hey now let's chill with that the left is pretty solid. So is the right thread. It's the gray areas that get dicey
is this directed at me? True, I guess I don't know if my vote would be the swing vote, but the odds are very, very unlikely. So unlikely that it's basically impossible. Given that, I'm voting for who I most agree with. I used to vote for the lesser of 2 evils, but I'm done with that. It doesn't make sense to me, I'd rather just not vote for evil at all and let the chips fall where they may. I'm not voting "against' any candidates (I don't like Trump, but I hate Hillary, so Trump gets my vote!), I'm just voting for the one I share the most in common with, and most agree with. I'm in ohio
I guess? I'm an actual small government guy, not the (R) bullshit rallying cry. Just take minimal taxes, do only what is needed with them and leave me alone. Let the gays marry, let the stoners smoke, let the gun nuts gun. I know how to live my life, I really don't need you. Make your own choices, accept your own responsibilities. Libertarians aren't anarchist, at least I'm not. We need a strong government, but not a tyrannical one. Not one that regulates and dictates the fuck out of its people. I may not own much (or anything), but I control my own body. And if I want to have an abortion (well... if I could), smoke a joint and ram another dude's cock up my butthole, I should be able to. If I want to talk worlds of shit about my government without fear that NSA is listening, I should. I dunno, more probably but no one cares.
some combination of these. if Ron Paul or Gary Johnson had won the R nomination I'd have no problem voting R. Or D, for that matter, if they had a candidate I agreed with.
I'm curious about this, can you elaborate? the libertarian candidates have a pretty good track record or practicing what they preach, I think. Ron Paul and Gary Johnson have (had) voting records that reflect that.
Skeptical that this is a genuine question. I lean towards anarcho-capitalist, but appreciate classical libertarianism. Ron Paul is the only candidate I have ever voted for.
It's primarily this for me. I was a registered republican until the day that Trump locked up the bid. That day I switched my party affiliation to Libertarian. With that being said, I don't exclusively vote along party lines. I vote for the actual candidates, it's just that as a political party definition, my overall viewpoints align most with the Libertarian party. I said it with my first post itt...I'm not the biggest Gary Johnson fan. He just happens to be the best candidate out of the bunch this go around. I'm sure I'll vote for a GOP presidential nominee again sometime in my life.....hell maybe even a democrat.
I guess I fit into the alienated Republican category (probably some others you mentioned as well) I used to consider myself a Republican that toed the party line in terms of their stance on small government and fiscal conservatism (although the actions from 2000-2008 did not reflect this ideology at all IMO). On top of that I always found myself confused/unconcerned with the Republican stance on social issues (seriously, who gives a fuck?). So I'm not sure if I ever was truly a Republican in the first place?
I find a lot of the prevailing libertarian ideas confusing and contradictory, but I must say they are far less confusing and contradictory than the GOP's prevailing ideas.
It's really shocking how many people (on both "traditional" sides) actually think this. The Neocon movement really distorted the view of the left-right spectrum to the point where quasi-fascist socially-inhibited politics are now considered far right.
of course. It was a crack at the GOP - why do they care about people's personal lives/decisions so much
To expand on this, I start with the axiom of self-ownership. From there, I deduce the principles of individual liberty, property rights, non-aggression, and ultimately, my entire political, legal, and ethical philosophy. I reject the Friedmanite/utilitarian branches of libertarianism entirely and loathe pragmatism. My goal is reason right with nature.
GOP philosophy is extremely contradictory. The contradictions you refer to in libertarian philosophy presumes you know the "prevailing libertarian ideas." There are multiple schools of libertarianism. For example, of the two larger schools, one is entirely deontilogical and the other is utilitarian in nature. These two schools attempt to justify "libertarianism" (whatever that is) on entirely inconsistent grounds.