Libertarian Thread

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  1. LuPoor

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    Did freedom increase today? Help
     
  2. Iron Mickey

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    States have their rights back, no more Federal tyranny telling those defenseless insurance companies they have to enable expensive moochers to get healthcare.
     
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  3. Nelson

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    Nah fam
     
  4. OHW

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    more like House Freedom Cukkus
     
  5. LuPoor

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    Justin Amash voted for it. Surely that means freedom has been increased.
     
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  6. Nelson

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    Thomas Massie did not, which is curious. They're usually in tandem.
     
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  7. LuPoor

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    So I guess it's up in the air on if freedom increased then. What if they cut all the subsidies, would that increase freedom? Seems like that's where most of the government intervention is at this point, now that we're deregulating what insurance companies have to offer.
     
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  8. Rabid

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    Massie isn't a member of the HFC. Amash is. I'm only speculating but my guess is Amash was bound by the rest of the HFC vote. I'm looking forward to him providing feedback on why he cast that vote.
     
  9. OHW

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    Other than that he's a soulless hack who prioritizes ideological purity over practical governance?
     
  10. Iron Mickey

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    ...presumably
     
  11. OHW

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    Sure, he sentenced thousands of Americans to death, but did he do it for the right reasons? More at the hour.
     
  12. LuPoor

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    I mean is the main objection from the libertarian perspective the continuing existence of the subsidies? Seems like deregulating the things that health insurance has to cover is a step in the right direction towards the perfect and efficient operating of a truly free market.
     
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  13. steamengine

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    Markets will decide. Stay tuned...
     
  14. Rabid

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    :idk: Rand Paul had a proposal that went nowhere. I never read it so I certainly couldn't give you details. I'm not a wonk on healthcare but from what I know, some of the libertarian-minded people tend to favor a system more like Switzerland has (http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=92106731)
     
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  15. Fran Tarkenton

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    Rand Paul is currently tied up bootlicking
     
  16. LuPoor

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    They have an individual mandate and private insurers are legally forbidden from making any profit on the basic plan. Seems like an authoritarian nightmare.
     
  17. steamengine

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    Rand called the bill deplorable and said it's gonna take a little bit of work for him to fully back it.

    That's a principled man.
     
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    The takes, they are sooooo hott!
     
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  20. Fran Tarkenton

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    Would think Amash voting for the AHCA would summarily revoke any claims of being a Libertarian, given how socially illiberal that bill is on its face.

    Of course - ive yet to find the libertarian unicorn that actually votes on social policy at the expense of other parts of the ideology. Seems the socially liberal part of the equation never comes into play.
     
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  21. OHW

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    Politicians being careerists is a hot take here in the fedora thread?
     
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  23. DEAD7

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    Libertarianism is losing to Nationalism. Not just politically but culturally. The movement is not gaining appeal. In fact, one could argue it's crumbling fast.

    Rather than deflect responsibility onto "the infiltrators" or double down on the same rhetorical strategy thats gotten you the results you're seeing now, stop and ask yourself, "why are we losing to nationalism? What are the nationalists marketing that libertarians aren't?"

    I can tell you, it's not an appeal to the state. It's an appeal to culture. So long as libertarians continue to sit safely on the fence and not get involved in the cultural discussion, the message will be drowned out by more interesting voices from authoritarian outlets.

    I have a passion for human liberty, a passion for capitalism and a passion for discussion. But if the 'liberty movement' can't take risks and get out of the ivory tower bubble of literature and centrism, it'll be forgotten as "that one philosophy that claimed to have all the answers but didn't bother to listen to what the people were asking". - Some guy on the internet


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  24. Redav

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    :gross:
     
  25. DEAD7

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    [​IMG]Go on...
     
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  26. Can I Spliff it

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    Any opinions on the books in this list, for those of you who have read them?



    I don't really expect much of these to have been given much thought itt, as Pop politics writers are not often regarded well, and they make up pretty much all the list
     
  27. Mitch Cumstein

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  28. Rabid

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    :idk:
     
  29. Nelson

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    If you can't hate-bate to some light Ann Coulter literature, I'm not sure if there can be anything done for you
     
  30. Rabid

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    I'm just going to leave this here too:
     
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  31. Can I Spliff it

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    Y'all should put together a reading list and send it to that Gene dude in the top of the pic and let him know that if he's trying to make them thoughtfully conservative he better recommend some books that are a little less garbo
     
  32. Joe_Pesci

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    evergreen is barely a college tbh. you can basically make up a major there.
     
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  33. AIOLICOCK

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    It's more credible than Liberty :twocents:
     
  34. Joe_Pesci

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    ok
     
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  35. Corch

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    Fuck every one of those students.
     
  36. Joe_Pesci

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    that one girl snaps her fingers instead of clapping
     
  37. Rabid

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    I had never heard of it prior to this. Now all I know is that it is full of bat shit crazy people that run the asylum.
     
  38. Can I Spliff it

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    Ehh during the Joe Rogan podcast (the only episode I ever listened to) the Professor talks at length about how unique and great the university is as Joe eggs him on to say college students are all misguided.

    The place is pretty fucking weird though, in terms of structure, and allowed for this weirdness to happen. Definitely niche.
     
  39. AIOLICOCK

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    Yeah
     
  40. Rabid

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    It's pretty clear it is unique when you hear the students calling the professors and President by their first name (usually with swear words in front of it).
     
  41. Mitch Cumstein

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    Go Fighting Speedy the Geoducks!
     
  42. Can I Spliff it

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    The students engaged in the university politics and governance are probably insufferable
    That legit rules though
     
  43. Nelson

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    Can I Spliff it to answer your question earnestly, Mark Levin, Ron Paul, Levitt/Dubner (a personal favorite), Sowell, Bergland all contribute to a classical liberal philosophy. A lot of the other names I'm not familiar with but can surmise some things from the titles of that shit.

    People like Michael Savage and Coulter, too :gross:
     
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  44. Joe_Pesci

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    that's an insult to whatever you mean by classical liberal philosophy
     
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  45. Can I Spliff it

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    Mark Levin writes and expresses his ideas well? I only heard him from his radio show
     
  46. Joe_Pesci

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    his radio show is on at night when i'm driving home. he's no different from coulter and savage. they're provocateurs and nothing more.
     
  47. Nelson

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    I was separating Coulter and Savage out, not sure why you bolded them?

    I'd defer to you guys, I haven't heard the show or really much of his work beyond a legal framework. I've read The Liberty Amendments because it was relevant to an article I was helping write on constitutional amendment.

    If he's a shock jock I guess that doesn't surprise me
     
  48. Can I Spliff it

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    If I remember correctly, he's the guy that said that Obama was using the FBI to investigate Trump and Trump read it and decided it was true.

    He also sounds like Master Shake from Aqua Teen Hunger Force, so yes my familiarity is his work on radio