The Left: Robespierre did nothing wrong

Discussion in 'The Mainboard' started by bricktop, Jan 17, 2017.

  1. BellottiBold

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    Far be it for me to defend a city council I really don't know much about, but in general major US cities need to deincentivize driving in their central cores. It's the only way to handle density sensibly. That's not to say it's easy, obviously.
     
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  2. Joe_Pesci

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    i agree but there has to be a better way than just making it more of a pain in the ass to get around in a car
     
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  5. Pile Driving Miss Daisy

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    Going back to the housing conversation and gentrification, this is such a difficult subject for me to wrap my head around. On one hand I completely agree that gentrification is absolutely hurting communities that have lived in neighborhoods for generations. On the other hand, all the criticism of white-flight has to tie into the conversation somewhat for those who want to move back into cities. For someone like me who wants to live in a non-pure white suburb and closer to the city core in an area that will likely be transformed in the next 10 years, I'm probably not helping any homeowner who has had their home passed down from their parents, but I want to support better housing development as well as being near mass transit. I know these aren't completely intertwined, but it seems like a huge unfortunate consequence of millennials who can afford to live in midtown/downtown will only contribute to gentrification.
     
  6. Lyrtch

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    missed the final tweet

     
  7. Lyrtch

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    you have to have strong laws regarding affordable housing otherwise you will always have displacement of people in poverty as people continue the cycle of moving around from high cost areas to low cost areas which raises those costs to high cost repeat on a few decade cycle. it may not be as explicit as redlining or other historically discriminatory practices but the way our housing works is basically economic violence.

    you want to build an apartment in the city? welcome to mandated 20% subsidized or below city average rent apartments. only allowing X amount total supply of "luxury" housing. theres no perfect solution to all of this but forced economic diversification is about the best idea I've heard except *clutches purse* you might scare off some rich people who might not want poors in the building to flee to other cities/states.

    stricter short term rental laws to prevent *Brand New Apartment Built* (50% of the apartments were bought by investors to list on airbnb)
     
  8. Pile Driving Miss Daisy

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    Speaking to what 42yard, when I recently lived in Austin many of the new developments had to have a certain number or percentage of the units designated for affordable housing tenants/owners. The problem (may not be a real problem) is that many younger millennials can actually qualify for this, my friend lived in an apartment since he met the affordable housing requirements. I'd imagine that many of you would rather those units go towards people who are more historically at a disadvantage. I love the idea that you can't just build an extreme luxury high rise that exclusively caters to the rich, but with these affordable housing requirements is there still enough housing left for those disadvantaged to prevent massive displacement, especially in a rapidly growing city?

    I'm wondering how many of the new developments in mid-town and the older neighborhoods in Atlanta are following this. I'd love to live closer now we may finally be able to afford a house that isn't way the fuck out in the 'burbs in a year or so, but I'd also like to do as little to fuck over poor people as possible.
     
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  9. J.R. Bob Dobbs

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    airbnb needs to get outlawed with the quickness. it's just an unlicensed hotel.
     
  10. blotter

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  12. indeed

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    Soon it will be Jane Sanders time in the barrel.
     
  13. Can I Spliff it

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    A good hut if apartment developments around the beltline are having some below market affordable housing. Believe it is 80% of the median income of the area.

    The beltline has had some internal issues and the board is fighting over it. A lot of townhouses and condos don't really conform to it and there hasn't been enough affordable housing.

    Property taxes are frozen for elderly in Atlanta. So you don't have to worry about people getting pushed out for that.

    The main issue is people being overly aggressive with code enforcement. People across the the street from me finally got evicted due to code complaints. They were stealing power, had no running water and it was a legit crack house. So kinda needed, but some ppl are aggressive to evict ppl they do not want around.

    Families that have been here since white flight are at least getting paid when they leave. My neighbors have both been here since white flight. They will at least make good money when they sell.
     
  15. Chicago Seminole

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    :roll:
     
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  16. CaneKnight

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    I'd immediately pull my child from any school participating in that nonsense. FUCK THAT
     
  17. Jax Teller

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    Fuck that.
     
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  18. AIOLICOCK

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    What is the thread consensus on left wing gun clubs? Yeah or nea?
     
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  19. 42yard

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    Don't think you're gonna get a consensus but I think they're a good idea at the moment. The only way to show the authoritarian right that we're not going to roll over is if we also display our willingness to use force to defend ourselves. Most of them are a bunch of cowards so if you make it clear that we're not pushovers, a lot of them will likely fuck off back to their cuckhives.
     
  20. Prospector

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  21. Tobias

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    how did you possibly produce that bungle of a quote job, prospector
     
  22. Prospector

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    not sure tbh
     
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  23. Iron Mickey

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    It's impressive, really.
     
  24. MORBO!

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    Don't care about people owning guns, really. That's not gonna change. That being said, some common sense laws regulating who can purchase guns and how they can purchased and/or registered is supported by a large majority of Americans. Unfortunately, the second someone suggests it, the NRA has a drone drop a pocket nuke on their face (or something like that).
     
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  25. Can I Spliff it

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    Marx abhors any attempt to disarm the gentle laborer.

    I'm pretty good with attempts to limit gun ownership
     
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  26. Taques

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    “… the workers must be armed and organized. The whole proletariat must be armed at once with muskets, rifles, cannon and ammunition… Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary.”
     
  27. Duck70

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  28. POWESHOW

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    Now post the context -
     
  29. AIOLICOCK

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    :dubioustrump:
     
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  30. timo

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    Meanwhile, in DC.... so, I think I mentioned a week or so back that crazy people are menacing the bar that Seth Rich used to drink in. Well, over the weekend, Nazis (possibly some of the same Seth Rich conspiracy people) also visited the neighborhood where he lived / was murdered and hung some nifty fliers up everywhere.
    https://www.popville.com/2017/06/hate-fliers-blanket-bloomingdale/#more-181871
    (fuck popville but still)
     
  31. THE REAL GUBBERJK

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    HEY FUCK HEAD.
    YA YOU
    I DONT BELIEVE A WORD YOU SAY ANYMORE.
    I JUST FOUND OUT YOU AND A FEW OTHERS KICK FARVA AND CRAIG OUT FOR BEING A REPUBLICAN .
    IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH YOU OTHER THAN YOU ARE INSANE OVER POLOTICS .
    WHAT A JOKE .
    I HAVE BEEN AVOIDING YOU AND EVERY OTHER WORTHLESS IDIOT BUT ?
     
  32. Joe_Pesci

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    "farva and craig" is actually a pretty good burn

    thanks, gubbs
     
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  34. timo

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  35. CaneKnight

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    Someone should bring this point up to the fascists we currently have sitting in office
     
  36. pez

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    So whe you guys keep saying gulag, I didn't realize that was code for nationalized health care

     
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  37. Jax Teller

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    I'm still curious as why bricktop wants AirBnB outlawed?

    Now I'm fully for regulations and taxing rental income just like regular income. But why shouldn't I be allowed to rent a room in my house out for extra money? Money that I'll either use to pay doubt credit debt or put right back into my local economy.

    I don't think people should be punished for buying an apartment and renting it on a site like that but I understand the need to stop pushing middle class and below farther and farther out of the city. But again I'm fully supportive of taxing rental income as regular income. If you want to buy a bunch of property and rent it out, great do it. But that money needs to be taxed the same as if you were working a 9-5 job.

    And if you outlaw AirBnB, what about sites like VRBO? I'm sure there are others as well.
     
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  38. Pile Driving Miss Daisy

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    Definitely agree. Buying an apartment then renting it out is bullshit, but getting an entire house while the family is away on vacation is amazing.
     
  39. Iron Mickey

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    Because it's an unlicensed, unregulated hotel that protects rising housing costs. X can't afford Y mortgage unless X used said unlicensed hotel service to bolster income. The issue is Y mortgage being too expensive to live.
     
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  40. Pile Driving Miss Daisy

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    Don't disagree, but how many people are doing this because their mortgage is too expensive? Should a home owner not be allowed to rent out a room short-term if they have the space?
     
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    Get fucked.

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  42. Iron Mickey

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    Probably a small percentage. The others are using it as an investment and allowing it to drive up rental prices. That's even worse.

    Then regulate it.
     
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  44. 42yard

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    I'm fine with this. I'll admit I have rented out my place for SXSW/ACL on AirBnB before...it's a major source of side income here. I feel like short term rentals for people just trying to get by should be legal so long as there's a specified time limit on them.
     
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  45. Iron Mickey

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    Agreed. But people who buy places and use it as a HomeAway cash cow can get fucked.
     
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  46. Jax Teller

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    I can afford my mortgage without renting it out. So why can I not rent out a room (or my whole house out if I'm away on vacation somewhere) when I want for extra money? And how many people are buying houses that they can only afford if they rent out a room?

    If you take away AirBnB people will go to Craigslist, or classifieds or any number of ways that rooms have been rented out since god knows how long ago. What about people that buy housing in vacation spots and rent them out when they are not down there? Doesn't that drive up rent in the surrounding communities too? Does that need to be outlawed as well?