The Left: Robespierre did nothing wrong

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  1. Teflon Queen

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    Can't remember the name right now but there's a great charity that basically works like food stamps for farmer's markets that helps poor people get healthy food for basically a third of the cost I think
     
  2. naganole

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    Heh, I missed that golden opportunity.


    FeedingAmerica maybe? In South GA they have Second Harvest, which according to some friends is doing great things.
     
  3. Teflon Queen

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    I don't think it was either of those. It was started by a famous chef and I think it's relatively new.
     
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  4. AIOLICOCK

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    I support the DSA if for no other reason than the fact that they seem to be doing a better job of expanding and promotion than any of the other leftist organizations. :twocents:
     
  5. Taques

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    that's fine, they are still social democrats and that is why I can't get behind them
     
  6. Prospector

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    Similarities between oligarchy and fascist should but won't dent current situation
     
  7. VaxRule

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    Merica movung discussion here from the trump thread. Do you believe white privilege is a thing?
     
  8. Scblue

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    His thought process is the dictionary definition.
     
  9. Merica

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    Of course it is. It's more because we have all the wealth than anything at this point. Why on earth do you think I don't think white privilege is a thing?
     
  10. LuPoor

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    Follow up question: do you honestly believe Ben Shapiro ever turned down pussy in college?
     
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  11. Merica

    Merica Devine pls stop pointing out my demise. :(
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    He's the biggest dork on earth and has terrible opinions on a million different issues.

    He has a point regarding this one single issue. We are playing right into the hands of the alt right when we fight them with violence.
     
  12. LuPoor

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    Just answer the question, did anyone ever want to fuck him at UCLA
     
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  13. Mister Me Too

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    So what if ignoring them like we've been doing for nearly a decade does not work? What if instead of going away they get bigger and gain more power like they been doing the last 8 - 10 years?

    You have a luxury that I don't, you can take that gamble, minorities cannot take such gamble.
     
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  14. Scblue

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    What?
     
  15. VaxRule

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    Because you completely hand wave away the explanation that your preferred method of dealing with supremacists is informed by your experience as a white man as "identity politics." It isn't. It's letting you know that non-white people are likely to feel very differently about the threat posed by organized white supremacist movements in a country with institutions built upon white supremacy that continue to disadvantage minority populations.
     
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  16. VaxRule

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    A response that bathes in white privilege.
     
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  17. Joe_Pesci

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    let's try to reason with the folks who think white people are genetically superior and want to drive out anyone that threatens their racial purity. surely if our arguments are good enough they will change their minds.
     
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  18. Arkadin

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    Don't forget to laugh at them. That helps
     
  19. Scblue

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    I'm dumbfounded by that sentence. I really sincerely want an explanation.
     
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  20. VaxRule

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    Emasculation/humiliation/ridicule are all parts of an appropriate response, but they cannot be the totality of it.
     
  21. Arkadin

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    Right. I was just making fun of what seems to always accompany the idea that ignoring them is the best answer. 'why don't people just not show up and sit back and laugh at how stupid they are'
     
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  22. Merica

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    You are in the left thread right?
     
  23. Scblue

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    I have no idea what you're getting at.

    Just for shits and giggles, please expound on your statement about wealth being of primary importance at this point when it comes to white privilege.
     
  24. Can I Spliff it

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  25. Mister Me Too

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  26. Joe_Pesci

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    "okay i agree that trump is a thin-skinned buffoon but then there's kamala..."
     
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  27. Can I Spliff it

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    #11027 Can I Spliff it, Aug 20, 2017
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  28. Merica

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    This is gonna be a long ass post but I hope you read it.

    Defining white privilege:
    White privilege is the fact that the white race owns all the wealth. Therefore we own or run the majority of large corporations, the private businesses, etc. Therefore most movies are produced by white people, most entertainment in general is owned by white people, white people own the majority of stores so white people get beneficial treatment as customers, etc. We get less jail time when we commit crimes because we can afford really good lawyers. We have the cards stacked in our favor when it comes to networking because private companies are disproportionately owned by white people.

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    You want to end racism? Make that chart look more proportional. 13% of the CEOS need to be black. 13% of the 1% need to be black. 13% of the middle class needs to be black. And 13% of the impoverished needs to be black.

    This has nothing to do with there being more white people in this country, as is evidenced by civilizations in the past when one minority group owned all the wealth. Apartheid South Africa, the Tutsis versus the Hutus, etc. If you have another definition of white privilege, please let me know.

    Why this can make us go against actual economic liberalism:
    Let's use Kenneth Frazier, the African American CEO of Merck in this example. He is currently making $17 million per year in compensation. Therefore his child will be able to go to the very best schools, he will be able to network, he will be able to build a company that doesn't make a profit for 10 years in NYC because his father can subsidize his living expenses, etc. All of these things that we bitch about regarding generational wealth and how capital stacks the cards in rich people's favor. He has better clothing and is obviously wealthy and treated as such when he frequents white owned businesses.

    Now on the other end we have Bubba from bumfuck, OH. He makes $8/hour at the local mechanic shop. His father disappeared before he was born and his mother is a methhead who did a terrible job of raising him. He works from paycheck to paycheck and is struggling with a heroine addiction that he got after busting his back working. He looks like a junkie and is treated like a junkie if he ever goes into a nice white owned restaurant. People are scared of him because he looks dangerous to them.

    Now reverse the roles and we would be talking so much shit about the rich white kid and trying to protect the impoverished black kid. But when the rich kid is black and the poor kid is white, we defend the generationally wealthy black kid because the white kid flies a rebel flag on his truck, since he's an ignorant hick who doesn't know any better.

    We have got to stop putting qualifiers on which impoverished people we will care about. We joke about being marxists itt for Christ's sake.

    Why this focus on white privilege pisses off rural white people:
    They get absolutely none of the benefits that come with white privilege. They don't have money, they don't have power, their jobs have all gone away, they would get shunned in a white owned store in New York City. So where exactly is their privilege? If they get arrested, they get the exact same treatment as an impoverished black person since they have no money to buy a lawyer and they're wearing clothing that makes them look like a threat to society.

    It looks like the democratic party has straight up abandoned them and the republicans half heartedly embrace this bullshit white power movement. So when we continually focus on race, we further isolate ourselves from what should clearly be an ally.

    I'm not in any way saying that we should change a single thing in regards to protecting minorities. I think we should be constantly fighting for minorities and I think that is 100% from an economic angle in 2017. But a byproduct of fighting for minorities is fighting for the rural poor and when we participate in identity politics we are shooting ourselves in the fucking foot.
     
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  29. three stacks

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    this is a god damned lie
     
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  30. Merica

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    How does some dangerous looking hick from Ohio get any benefit from white privilege? Give me actual examples.
     
  31. Lyrtch

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    theres plenty of data that white poverty and black poverty are still disparate
     
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  32. three stacks

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    they're not getting summarily executed by police just based on their skin color
     
  33. Mister Me Too

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    Notice how they didn't get shot, that's white privilege.

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  34. VaxRule

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    White privilege is not about wealth. White privilege is that you get to live your life without having to identify yourself by your race as compared to people of color that are defined by it. Those definitions affect every aspect of life - including access to capital - but there is a difference between privilege due to wealth and privilege due to being white.
     
  35. Merica

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  36. Lyrtch

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    white privilege is the nazi taking off his "uniform" and ducking into the counter protester crowd without anyone noticing to get to safety while a black guy gets nearly beaten to death in a parking garage
     
  37. Tug

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    No one is threatened if he decides to open carry
     
  38. Mister Me Too

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  39. Lyrtch

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    the conclusion of this article was

    “The only thing that was significant in predicting whether someone shot and killed by police was unarmed was whether or not they were black,” said Justin Nix, a criminal-justice researcher at the University of Louisville and one of the report’s authors, said in April. “Crime variables did not matter in terms of predicting whether the person killed was unarmed.”

    “This just bolsters our confidence that there is some sort of implicit bias going on,” Nix said. “Officers are perceiving a greater threat when encountered by unarmed black citizens.”
     
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  40. Can I Spliff it

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    Privilege isn't necessarily being "favored" so much as being actively disfavored in a lot of ways. As an anecdotal example, tandin had mentioned way back when about how an african american friend of his had a much different experience than him during a traffic stop, because of his past experiences or those of his friends, about how he very consciously moves very slowly and always kept his hands visible. This is usually good praxis for anyone, but in my traffic stops, I've never actually done that or been asked to do that, where as it felt like a "if I don't do this I may be hurt or tagged for something" thing to others.

    That video of that cop in the bad police thread where where the cop was jimmying open a guy's car without a warrant was another thing that really doesn't happen often to other people. Voting locations closing in heavy minority/working class areas, as well as having an extremely small DMV/whatever to service that area is another privilege.

    It's not that white people necessarily always get job or nicer pay or this or that. It's that the civic machinations work for them at a much higher clip.
     
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  41. Fran Tarkenton

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    wow, so now we are questioning whether someone white has systemic societal privileges of minorities in America.

    "Does racism even exist?" has to be the premise of that (lack of) logic.

    Economic status should never have even been brought into that topic. A poor hick, or a rich hick, is beside the point. Its race, ethnicity, and national origin.
     
  42. Can I Spliff it

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    Sorry that's a quick and dirty explanation of it
     
  43. LuPoor

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  44. Lyrtch

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  45. Merica

    Merica Devine pls stop pointing out my demise. :(
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    There are certainly societal disadvantages. I blatantly said that in my post.
     
  46. Merica

    Merica Devine pls stop pointing out my demise. :(
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    :roll:

    Did you actually read my post?

    And our thread title is joking about being Marxist. The bolded is hilarious given that fact. Are we only marxists when it comes to certain groups of the poor?
     
  47. herb.burdette

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    I get what Merica is saying.

    Feel free to insert your rape jokes, but I grew up in Steubenville, Ohio. The metro area of Steubenville-Wheeling lost a higher percentage of its population than any metro area tracked by the US Census from 1980-2000. It was a complete economic collapse in steel, coal, auto.

    When I graduated HS, the five counties in the area were all above 20% unemployment.

    You're not getting too far explaining white privilege there.

    The Democrats are a coalition. Race is a huge part of that coalition, but so are economics and trade. It all has to come together for the coalition to work and have any real political power.
     
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  48. Fran Tarkenton

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    Just because you have an unreceptive audience doesn't mean it does/doesn't exist

    Of course its hard explaining what White privilege entails + the inherent benefits of being born White in America....to a white person.

    That white person might be getting the shaft on the capitalist side of the societal system; but theyre still winning the game on the race side of things. Racism is not eradicated from America's institutions. America's institutions are not immune from racism.
     
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  49. Redav

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    Fight the good fight my man. It isn't fair that they are forced to live their lives that way
     
  50. herb.burdette

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    I don't think anyone is saying racism isn't a huge problem.
     
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