Trumpocalypse: No hanky/lanky

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  1. indeed

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    A generation that turns out 49% of its footprint has no right to complain about the outcome of 16.
     
  2. blotter

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    He classifies himself as a younger GenX'er iirc. It's legitimately one of the funniest things itt, guy bragging on his demo for their turnout, yet ignoring said demo went to Donald fucking Trump
     
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  3. The Banks

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    Ah Winston Churchill, openly sympathetic towards the Nazis
     
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  4. indeed

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    It’s absurd to cast Clinton and Kasich as the same. Kasich is a caveman wrt women’s issues, and he’s a theocrat at heart.
     
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  5. Where Eagles Dare

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    So you can complain bc ppl your age dominated for Trump?

    That's fucking retarded.

    I agree Millenials need to vote more. They are the largest block, but younger ppl have never voted in large numbers. It's isn't some new thing for Millenials. GenX didn't vote as much as they do now.
     
  6. OHW

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    Yeah, they disagree on a couple of social issues but agree on most everything else. Maybe Clinton is a degree or two to the left of Kasich regarding banking regulations but both of them are firmly right of center wrt most financial/economic policy.
     
  7. indeed

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    I’m not defending my generation. Fuck everyone who voted for Trump, including every gen x person.

    We did turn out in the low 60s, so Dem gen x voters did their part.
     
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  8. Can I Spliff it

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  9. Where Eagles Dare

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    There have been numerous studies that have shown the views of liberals and Consrvatives over the past 40 years.

    Dems have stayed a out where they have always been and the right has drastically shifted to the right and clurch to their bibles and guns.

    In your world "being center" would mean shifting further right to offset the Bashit crazy conservatives.

    Are you too stupid to see this??
     
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  10. OHW

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    He's closing in on 50 and he still hasn't figured out that the rightward shift of the DNC is why they lose fucking everything. They offer nothing but less shitty versions of what Republicans offer and it doesn't sway the "reasonable" Republicans, it just makes them laugh harder when they pull the center further right. These fucks are going to lose us everything in 2020.
     
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  11. BWC

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    I don’t disagree that it’s an important conversation and one the needs to be meted out at the polls here in ‘18 and ‘20.

    The danger lies in not kissing and making up after doing battle, and that goes for both ends of the spectrum within the party. Fight like dogs, then unite. It’s enough of an uphill battle with external attacks (gerrymandering, voter disenfranchisement, united propaganda machines, etc.). I don’t see how promoting some narrow, perfect liberal and taking the ball and going home otherwise makes a lick of sense.
     
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  12. indeed

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    It’s hard for most on this board to comprehend this, but the American populace as a whole resembles Ohio or Alabama more than it does Seattle or Vermont. Idk, maybe millennials will end up changing that dynamic over the long term.

    And corporations are actually an intrinsic part of the American fabric and there is no world leading economy without them.
     
  13. Where Eagles Dare

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    But ignore the fact your generation had the largest spread for Trump.

    Yay, turnout was a high % but the vast majority are all fucking twats
     
  14. theregionsitter

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    Kasich is a homosexual who’s all messed up tbh
     
  15. indeed

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    The Dem has won the Potus popular vote 6 out of the last 7 times, and none of those candidate were far left.

    But go on and take the Dem party far left, maybe even run a socialist. See what happens. If we need to work with the electoral college system, you can’t expect to win the swing states by running a purist lefty. It won’t work.
     
  16. OHW

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    If you want young people to vote, give them something to vote for. Indeed is mad that they didn’t all fall in line. The easiet way to repeat that mistake is to ignore their complaints and trot out an army of John Ossoffs. Who cares if they’re “united” if they keep losing or if the winners don’t enact any policies worth a shit.
     
  17. cutig

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    Someone that far left wouldn’t even win the party nomination
     
  18. OHW

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    They lost two of those elections. But at least they have moral high ground, right?
     
  19. indeed

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  21. indeed

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    There’s no such thing. Point is the Dems have the votes, and can get more if the millennials turn out better, and drop the purity routine.
     
  22. BWC

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    They lose because of failure to unite. If the winners don’t enact policies worth a shit, at bare minimum, they’re preventing an inherently evil party from driving our country straight into a ditch (assuming enough unification occurs to overtake control in Congress and eventually POTUS).

    I get it that it’s difficult to get young people to vote and to sign onto slow progress instead of fast progress, but reality exists. Acquiescing to the demands of a minority isn’t a lot better than what we’re seeing happen in DC right now. Sure, the base principles result in better outcomes across the board, but it’s also a dangerous pathway to tread.
     
  23. OHW

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    You’re so close. You realize you need young voters. You know what young voters want. Your solution though is to ignore them and hope they vote for a bland, uninspiring candidate whose policies don’t align with young people’s views. Good luck with that.
     
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  24. OHW

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    I’m advocating listening to the people you need to turn out and giving them something they want. You’re advocating telling young people to be quiet and fall in line. Which do you think is likely to produce the turnout you want?
     
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  25. indeed

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    Meh, I’d rather have corporatist Center right Republican Hillary Clinton as potus than Trump. I’m 100% confident she would be looking out for the interests of the Dem constituencies, and for that matter all Americans.

    It’s really sad to see so called liberals and Dems eat up the 20-30 years of GOP oppo and character assault on Hillary, and spit it right back out.
     
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  26. OHW

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    We know.
     
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  27. three stacks

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    yes, i'd rather have the centrist corporatist than the insane kleptocracy every time, which is why i proudly cast my vote for clinton in spite of not voting for her in the primary. but you're a damn fool if you think young people's distrust of centrist policies has anything to do with clinton and more so the fact that it's been an utter failure for them.
     
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  28. BWC

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    That’s not what I’m advocating at all.

    Those young people need to be encouraged to be active in the process as early as possible and fight for the candidates they feel best represent them. If that candidate doesn’t win, then they need to be encouraged to support the candidate who better represents them, not to throw a hissy fit until them trying to get what they want (and only that) results in extended reigns of GOP fuckery.
     
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  29. OHW

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    That’s exactly what you’re advocating for.

    “Nice try, young people, but we’re going with the corporate shill who doesn’t share your values and actively supports policies that are bad for you. Aren’t politics great! Now go vote.”
     
  30. indeed

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    Life isn’t about always getting what you demand or think you are entitled to have. It’s about making due with what you have. Don’t like it? Change it. Y’all want a lot but turn out at 49%, and then are pissed that you didn’t get what you want.
     
  31. OHW

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    Spend your life being mad at young people and keep losing elections.
     
  32. BWC

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    Whatever you say, man.

    This is why education is my #1 issue. An educated electorate can see past the bullshit labels and figure out which option is best for them.
     
  33. Joe_Pesci

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    i voted for hillary clinton. i also think the idea that i should soften my view on corporate power because some people can be openly gay without it threatening their employment is some bullshit.
     
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  34. OHW

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    The options really are for the DNC to keep turning out the same shit and continue losing or to adopt policies that people see can benefit them and get people excited to vote. Liberal centrism is no match for right wing fear mongering. It amazes me that so many people can’t see that.
     
  35. indeed

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    Spend your life playing the victim and blaming groups of others for your plight. It doesn’t work as an individual, and it’s a bad look for a generation to do it. I had 3 jobs in my 20s and a shit ton of student loans and debt. I hustled and dug my way out of it. I didn’t sit around blaming everybody else for it, and I wasn’t a bitch about my political choices even when Dukakis was in the ticket.

    I WANT millennials and the younger slice of gen x to rise up and take over politics. Just suggesting that if you swing too pure and too left, you aren’t going to be as successful as you can be, if you stop and think about the national electorate as a whole. America is more right/pragmatic than you are willing to admit.
     
  36. Duck70

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    I really hope that the DNC takes some steps before 2020 to address some of the super delegate issues because that's where I feel most of the Dem angst comes from. People were angry about it in the 60's and they are angry about it now. The more the Dem primary voters feel like their voice is heard, even if their candidate didn't win, the more likely they are to stay engaged throughout the General which is what we need going forward.

    They need to take a step back and allow the primary process to take shape organically, not try to craft it.
     
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  37. Lyrtch

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    i continue to think indeed is a really subtle long con troll
     
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  38. Josey Wales

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    Fuck you “progressive” scum.
     
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  39. OHW

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    As successful as you can be? THEY LOST TO DONALD TRUMP
     
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  40. Lyrtch

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    conflating the american political right with pragmatism is the most overt red flag yet
     
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  41. OHW

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    When you get older you will understand.
     
  42. indeed

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    But it’s also a canard to sweep all corporations under the same evil stereotype, and to to rail mindlessly against corporations in general.

    If you want to walk the talk wrt corporations, you should give up your iOS or android device, stop using Google, all social media, and all services from Amazon, and withdraw all your money from whatever bank you use and put it in a tin can. Talk about excessive corporate power and influence, that’s where it is right now
     
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  43. Joe_Pesci

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    The transition from commentary on that gymnast's butthole to wise elder statesman has been a bit odd
     
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  44. indeed

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    It’s not conflating. The populace is composed of righties and pragmatists. They are not the same, but they are both parts that make up The Whole.
     
  45. Lyrtch

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    this is also the dumbest argument i've read in a while
     
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  46. OHW

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    We’re officially in “you participate in society so you can’t be mad at society” territory.
     
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  47. Joe_Pesci

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    I suppose you think the people who advocate for better social programs ought to donate all of their money first as well
     
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  48. Joe_Pesci

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    Internet and computer companies are bad examples as well considering that the core tech was developed with public money over a period of decades :comicbookguy:
     
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