Trumpocalypse: No hanky/lanky

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  1. Lyrtch

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  2. herb.burdette

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    Now that the Saudis have nuclear secrets, they are probably going to get their Uranium from Russia, given that Hillary approved the sale of 20% of the US uranium supply in the Uranium One deal.

    Both sides

    (Probably an actual discussion I’ll have visiting family this Easter if this blows up)
     
  3. BudKilmer

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  4. Bruce Wayne

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  5. Daniel Ocean

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    Fuck that kid and his POS parents.
     
  6. afb

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  7. afb

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    Time to put him in a "detention" facility
     
  8. The Banks

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    Our new Governor is a fucking moron

     
  9. cutig

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    What the actual fuck
     
  10. Joe_Pesci

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    It's about time Alaska started pulling its weight
     
  11. Lyrtch

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  12. Josey Wales

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    Gonna say this here because ignorance and race are always tangentially related to politics.

    Was listening to one of the leading hip hop stations in the metro area this AM, and they had a question about men treating women differently depending on if their hair is short, straight, had a weave etc. Mostly black men and women calling in with diff takes and preferences. One black woman called in saying she dates white dudes, and her bf prefers her hair straight.

    Even before she mentioned his preference there were disapproving or disagreeing noises. And then “that’s what happens when you date out of your vibe” commentary, in spite of other black men calling and saying they prefer hair a certain way.

    Honestly, I found their reactions pretty off putting because they sounded so douchie and ignorant. All I could think of was how fucking ignorant I’d find it if white hosts on another program began making innuendos about dating outside of your race if you’re white and dating a person of color.

    I’ve dated ethnic women before and have dealt with very few ignorant comments, but it only really takes one or two to make you feel humanity is full of shit heads.

    The station is pretty woke and encourages political participation, so it’s disappointing their AM hosts speaking so flippantly about racial tropes.
     
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  13. Fran Tarkenton

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    Far too often these Internal Ombudsman dont really call Balls + Strikes and just occupy the slot before the Sunday Shows promoting the Network
     
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  14. jrmy

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    The larger support for a wealth tax over higher income taxes blows my fucking mind
     
  15. RSK

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    For what its worth in an interview on TYT today Sanders said if he won the nomination he'd be looking for a younger female to be his VP.

    Maybe Stacey Abrams?
     
  16. Josey Wales

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    Yes. I think that’d be a very good choice. I think there will be a male/female ticket regardless of who wins the nom.
     
  17. Redav

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    That'd be tight
     
  18. Lyrtch

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    people really dont understand income taxes, plus basically everyone pays income tax

    wealth tax is the easiest way to target the rich specifically
     
  19. jrmy

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    The wealth tax is a terrible idea IMO
     
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  20. Beeds07

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    I'm a lot older that that and not white, but this is exactly how I feel.
     
  21. Lyrtch

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    but why
     
  22. BellottiBold

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    By "wealth tax" are we referring to returning marginal rates to the "punitive" (:loldog:) level or...
     
  23. bwi2

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    It’s a lot harder for the government than taxing a transaction, it’s asking for avoidance techniques, it is inefficient and imposes transaction costs that wouldn’t otherwise be incurred, and it will face a constitutional challenge on day 1 that’s at least close to a toss-up with this Supreme Court
     
  24. pez

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    No they’re talking about taxing someone at the end of the year based on their net worth. It would be in addition to income taxes
     
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  25. jrmy

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    Thank you

    Also it would be much easier to create a negative narrative about this tax as one that’s punitive because you’re repeatedly taxing the same income, liquidity issues it could cause, etc

    Just use the mechanism we already have and raise the rates
     
  26. Lyrtch

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    I mean sure I was thinking the disagreement was from a philosophical standpoint. The tax avoidance portion from accountant input seems oversold if IRS is well funded and reporting standards continue to raise. Not to mention I give zero shits about people making the argument that "the rich will find a way out", especially from a centrist perspective. Constitutional challenge sure, can't decide to dodge a right wing court just trying to undercut progressive ideals ooooorrr that leads you to realize it's a partisan sham branch and work accordingly, especially when the constitutionality seems largely solid except in partisan forms.

    I assume transaction costs is regarding forcing liquidity, which, worlds smallest violin.
     
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  27. Lyrtch

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    Why should the super rich have their wealth be largely exempt from wealth taxes that are functionally imposed on everyone who lives like the majority in property taxes?

    Also, team both.
     
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  28. cyclist

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  29. Mister Me Too

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  30. Lyrtch

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    *which is explicitly what Trump has requested to be changed*
     
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  31. BrentTray

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    Wow thanks Alaska. I’m sure those caravans are going to be pissed they can’t walk all the way to Anchorage.
     
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  32. bwi2

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    If you can get $100 from a billionaire one way at a cost of $25 to the government or $100 from that same billionaire at a cost of $50, why on earth would you choose the second option?
     
  33. Mister Me Too

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    I would prefer that Stacey Abrams run for senate in GA
     
  34. Lyrtch

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    Expand?
     
  35. jrmy

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    Because you’re trying to be as punitive to high wealth as possible
     
  36. Lyrtch

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    It's philosophical, stagnant wealth much like stagnant property should be taxed to promote positive usage or liquidation for someone else to do so.
     
  37. bwi2

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    It will cost a lot more money for the IRS to tax wealth (and enforce that tax) than it would for them to tax and enforce income or capital gains or any other transfer of money
     
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  38. Joe_Pesci

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    It's also about targeting the concentration of wealth. Any variation of an income tax is small potatoes for people like the Waltons

    I still favor the policy of taking their heads or 90% of their net worth but I guess we are trying to be civil
     
  39. Lyrtch

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    Do it all. I don't like giving positive incentive for the obfuscation tactics regarding wealth in this country that we've allowed to be propagated largely through the impetus of the wealthy.
     
  40. Bruce Wayne

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    I know some of these words
     
  41. bwi2

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    This is where our normative disagreement kicks in. I think it’s the purpose of government to provide for the welfare of all of its people, not to punish people for being rich. By all means, tax the rich more to support programs for the rest of the country, but do it efficiently.
     
  42. Beeds07

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    I guess there is an upside to Indiana keeping our head down and apologizing for Mike Pence.
     
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  43. Lyrtch

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    I disagree that it's punishment, many of the countries we should be striving to be have similar taxes. It also allows for appropriate taxation for the wealthy who have small taxable income under the current structure. Until the rate of growth and capital accumulation even out this is required to stem the tide of inequality. The growth produced from the negative reinforcement on wealth stagnation would likely be significant (if we were republicans we'd claim it'd be extraordinary). The fear of avoidance is also lessened due to, we're the US and can track your money everywhere, modern reporting and tech capabilities also make me a little hesitant to write off that it'll be incredibly expensive to track when the wealthy are actively trying to commit fraud.
     
  44. Beeds07

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    Warren claimned to me more native than she was...oh God no

    Harris was tough on crime as a Prosecutor...the nerve

    Booker was once tied to big Pharma...fuck him

    Klobuchar was mean to her staffers...welp, she's out

    Gillibrand ate chicken with a fork...what's wrong with her?

    Bernie has been criticized for not beinb sympathetic to women and other races...a man can change.

    Thank God this board is so tough on white, male privilege.
     
  45. Lyrtch

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  46. Joe_Pesci

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    I feel like it's only idiots and trolls writing off Warren for the native thing

    I haven't even seen the stuff about Klobuchar and Gillibrand beyond that the chicken thing happened
     
  47. Joe_Pesci

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    And merely characterizing Harris as "tough on crime" is a little disingenuous, no? She used her power to harass the parents of children who were missing school, among other things
     
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  48. Lyrtch

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    bad post is bad
     
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  49. ~ taylor ~

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    I think they partly don't understand the tax system and think they'll have to pay higher taxes on their entire salary, and partly because they see somebody with a bajillion dollars and think they should give some of that up.
     
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