Didn’t get updated offer letter until 30 minutes ago, so the bomb isn’t getting dropped on him until tomorrow.
I feel like you're taking this too personally If so, send them your resume with a salary 50% higher than the one you had and state the reasons why. 1. I never messed up game film by setting the camera up in demo mode 2. Etc
I'm in IT, it's 2 years in a job/with a company and then move on. If you're there more than two years and not in upper management(which is kind of odd because I know consultants that make a lot more than my director), it's assumed that there is something wrong with you. Get what you can and move up/on. Company loyalty is over.
I have not yet. I will be taking on the role of Director of Operations for a hemp cultivation, extraction and products company moving forward. Very excited to get away the road warrior lifestyle
My dad retired in December. 40 years of Nuclear Engineering. He was in a project mgt / consulting role at that point and they'd finished up a project in November. And hadn't started a new one. My Dad was at work one day and my Uncle called and asked if he wanted to go fishing that wknd. My Dad walked around and said his goodbyes. Thanked everyone, talked to HR, and was retired within an hour. With a retirement package to boot. They went fishing that afternoon.
I was working on a fairly critical project that literally one person in the entire company knew how to complete. How it got to that point, idk, but the guy I was meeting with went to lunch and didn't come back. He retired to go work on his blueberry farm. Come to find out they had told him he was effectively going to be laid off in a year and had already given him his severance.
I'm the SME on my project and I haven't officially signed anything. I won't be communicating my resignation to the firm until I have paperwork in hand.
It's done. Phone went dead for about 10 seconds before, "Um..., I don't even know what to say". He basically said at least give him the chance to throw a hair mary, which I said sure. Just glad to get it off my chest. Not by design, but there is another person resigning as I type, so the head of HR is going to have a fun afternoon.
Is this hail mary going to be even worth considering or are you turning it down regardless? Also, is the other person resigning on your team as well?
99% chance I'm turning it down regardless. It would take a 'Miracle at Michigan'. They're going to offer a bigger salary, but I'm just not optimistic on the future of the company, while the other option is much more stable. Other guy is in a different department, here in Tampa. Edit: He already called the CEO and asked "What's your number to stay?"
Money does talk. Are you just unhappy with your current job or were looking for a better opportunity?
It could have been a confidential replacement. If a company wants to replace someone but don't want to fire them yet, then they will often request it be confidential. We can't give out much information on the company until they've looked at your background and told us they want to talk to you. The cause for it being they don't want it getting back to the person they are being replaced before they find the successor. It's much more frequent with high C level positions, but definitely isn't uncommon for mid-level roles as well. With that being said, she should have been up front with you about what type of search it is from the moment she decided you were a viable candidate. That's not how it works. Contractually with our clients, if I have talked to you first and pointed you toward their opportunity, then they owe us a placement fee even if you apply on your own. Conversely, I cannot represent you to a client if you have applied with them directly before speaking with me (within 6-12 months in the past). Depending on the contract, it can be you needed to apply for that specific role, or with the company in general.
I’ve been in jobs that I HATED, but still felt anxious and uneasy about quitting. The two weeks after quitting are the best though. On the management side, I’ve never had to be in the room to fire anyone, but have been blindsided by a resignation. One of the weirder things to happen was my company had a lay-off on the day of my daughter’s scheduled c-section, so obviously I wasn’t at work for it, but someone on my team got let go. She’s texting me at the hospital to tell me she just got fired like I didn’t know. It was odd. Another layoff we had was supposed to go down at 11am, the same time I had a 1-1 scheduled with the person being laid off. I had to change the calendar invite for later in the day to clear her schedule so she could get the talk. She accepted the change and wrote back, “My calendar is wide open this afternoon, so no problem moving this.” I thought to myself, “girl, you don’t know how wide open your calendar is about to be.”
It’s funny you quoted this today because I just had a second recruiter do the same thing. They’re both definitely competitors based off the description they give. The main reason I care is I’m not going to move to some small ball company for the same exact job so I don’t want my time to be wasted. This guy said: The name of the company is definitely not a secret, but I don’t want to broadcast their expansion plans without having had some discussion first. We are just as careful about maintaining the confidentiality of a potential candidate until they’ve had a chance to do their research and there is a clear desire expressed to go forward.
When I'm talking with a candidate, I don't normally give out the name of the company until I've determined they may be a fit for the role. Once I determine they are a possible match, then I disclose all information I have about the company and the position. If it's a confidential search, then I will share that instead of company information. If they're not a match, I'll often still give the name of the company and tell the candidate they are free to apply on their own. I frankly wouldn't work with any firm who wants to submit you for consideration, but still won't tell you pertinent information about the opportunity if it's an open search. I'm only sending someone over to my client if they are a possible fit AND there is mutual interest. Any firm which doesn't do it that way isn't worth your time.
Bingo. Im pretty shallow when it comes to which companies I work for. F500 HQ's only so far. Gonna ride that until I'm C level somewhere with a pension and country club fees paid by the firm.
Yeah I can respect that I guess. Since they’re an outside recruiter they probably don’t get this, but they’re literally describing the exact same job that I do it’s just a different supplier which is annoying on my end and why I don’t want to waste my time here if it’s a podunk company.
They shouldn't be describing the position to you without telling you the name of the company or telling you it's a confidential search. Like you said, if it's not a company you are interested in going to work for, then they wasted your time (and theirs) describing a position you have no interest.
"PE backed company......RAPID growth. Non GL. Great work life balance." Every job from a recruiter ever.
No, that's what is said by the bad ones who create unrealistic expectations in their candidates and end up getting fired when the people they place keep leaving their client after 6 months. One of my clients absolutely grinds through new employees if they don't have the right mentality. You can make a lot of money, but you're going to work a ton of hours and you have very difficult metrix system you need to accomplish. Miss 1 of the 26 and you're having a conversation with your boss. Some candidates thrive in that environment, but most do not. I'm very clear with candidates about the good and the bad in regards to my client during the first conversation. I'm doing a disservice to both the candidate and my client if I'm not managing expectations throughout the entire process.
time for me to be the entertainment again. - told boss yesterday I was out. He was blindsided. - he says to tell him what my number was to stay, but to sleep on it and we’ll talk in the morning. - Talked this morning and threw a number out there that I thought was ridiculous, and would end the discussion. - submitted my signed offer letter to new job prior to the noon deadline (mistake) - boss calls this afternoon and goes 15% over the ridiculous number I threw out, essentially doubling my salary. I don’t like the trajectory this company is on, and really wanted to leave because the other company is a great (fortune 600) company to work for, provides more opportunity for growth, and the only other one in the industry in Tampa (where I’m unfortunately stuck with 3 kids under 2). However, it’s gotten to the point I just have to stay. Just worried I’m forever locking myself out of a position with the other company, even years down the road. Currently having a johnny walker at the bar. I’m stressed.
Honestly, I'd advise going with the new company. Counters can be dangerous. 1.) If they could afford to pay you that much before, then why did it take you threatening to leave for you to be recognized for your value to the organization? 2.) I've seen companies throw out a huge raise to get someone to stay, then immediately call a recruiting firm like mine for a confidential replacement for your role. They pay you that amount until they can find someone to replace you, and they don't have a gap in production. Have you informed this new company about the counter?
From someone that walked away from more money than I ever thought I’d make so that I could work for myself, money isn’t everything. If you’re unhappy or don’t believe in the company’s future, don’t mortgage your own future for a few bucks.
100% spot on. Not to mention, accepting a counter can make it seem like you’re in debt to the company forever.
Ya I feel like that big of a raise at the threat of leaving is more insulting than anything. It also doesn’t seem that well thought out on their side. Team leave.
1) I lacked the intestinal fortitude and shortchanged my worth 2) I’ve been here essentially since they formed the company and know where all the bodies are buried. Doubt they’d fuck me, but these days, you never know. I’d have to call them tomorrow to inform them.