This isn’t 2016 anymore. People at least on the democratic side care about what policies ur pushing. Any candidate not pushing Medicare for all, universal childcare, going after banks etc... is ultimately putting themselves at a severe disadvantage. If this were the general and not primaries I’d agree because majority Americans are paste eating morons
Why is it so hard for you guys to understand that I am not sharing my opinion of what I want to happen. I agree with you. People are who they are though. Our fucking society is not that smart, but most of all, people make decisions with their reptilian brains and then justify those decisions with logic after the fact. This is human nature. Right now on this board, I believe most people are looking at the issues and choosing someone to get behind based upon the issues that they align with. At the same time though, personality is a factor. I respect a lot of the people who want to get behind Pete, because he is an executive, and I believe there is a huge difference between having ideas and executing ideas, and I think the best candidates are those who can do all three. Unfortunately, I think most people focus on safe decisions and personality.
“One of the things that I have found absolutely thrilling in working for this administration is the president has a knack for keeping the attention of the media and the public focused somewhere else". US official reveals Atlantic drilling plan while hailing Trump’s ability to distract public theguardian.com/enviro...
I agree with you in principle. The policies will have an impact, but the acknowledgment that there is an issue that impacts someone and I as a candidate will do whatever is possible to solve that (independent of specific policy) will resonate similarly. I do think it is premature to jump to a conclusion that one policy is going to dominate over the totality of all important positions, and at the root of it is not which policy is supported, but what problem are you trying to solve. For example, the issue is healthcare is too expensive or prohibitive. If a candidate can convince voters that their needs will be covered by their policy and it is not medicare for all, I believe it can achieve the same purpose as far as votes go.
Fair enough wrt to what you think is gonna happen vs what you want to happen but I still disagree. 2016 shattered the norms of "likability" being the bench mark as we saw the most unfavorable candidate of all time beat out the 2nd most unfavorable candidate of all time. I'm not saying everyone is a policy wonk all of a sudden but I don't think "politician speak" is going to work on people any more.
Politician speak always works as long as it comes off as sincere. That's why they do it. Most people are not as smart as the group we have on this board, and most people do not follow these issues as closely as we do.
Look at some of the politicians we just elected to the house. That likability shit and favoritism towards white males is out the window
One benefit of electing a homosexual is that it would probably be the nail in the coffin of the “Tea Party.” I wonder how they would rebrand.
can we please keep this thread on topic of Trump and his administration's idiocy and damage example: Fox & Friends Identified Beto O'Rourke's Biggest Weakness: He's a Book Reader! esquire.com/news-p... while Beto is in the topic, the posting is actually about literacy being bad
I think there's a common misconception that purple states are full of purple people when polling doesn't seem to support that. Purple states just have lots of blue and red people. You don't need moderate candidates to win those states. You need people who will get more blue people voting than red people. Anyone who is inclined to vote for Pete won't give a fuck that he's gay.
Like I said maybe that used to be the case but not any more people can smell the bs. This is why people like a candidate who "tells it like it is" This is why Trump differentiated himself from a pack of 10+ Republicans that did nothing but speak in platitudes and odds on favorite Marco Rubio flamed out. This is why Bernie Sanders/Joe Biden are so popular. Unfiltered comes off as authentic. Again I think Beto is using an outdated strategy from 2008.
Are you saying that Beto doesn't come off as authentic? If so, I disagree. I think that is his number one strength.
In tangential news, the Brits continue to be fucking morons about Brexit. A House vote just failed for a second referendum aka let the people vote again now that they see what a clusterfuck it would be and now that they realize they were tricked by Russian disinfo campaigns.
Can we get some "political fan of" section going?? I need to know which hardliners to laugh at when they talk shit about the other candidates.
\ Im starting to have a feeling that Trump will win in 2020 because the corporations and the extremely wealthy love him.
Sure, but Trump represented the new frontier of a nihilistic hellworld. Now we’re here and the options are more of the same shit or something (slightly to moderately) better.
Good. Tillis unnecessarily endangering his reelection bid even more. I wish the NC AG would run for that seat.
think all - but Collins - are doing it out of fear of what a Democratic POTUS will able to do under than precedent. (Suppose Toomey too with Collins). Tillis, Gardner, McSally going the Dean Heller approach towards career suicide.
so now he vetoes this and there won't be enough defections to override it....so then it goes to court?
Spoiler George W. Bush Spoiler Main article: George W. Bush Twelve vetoes, including one veto whose status is disputed (Bush claimed it was a pocket veto; the Senate considers it to have been a regular veto): July 19, 2006: Vetoed H.R. 810, Stem Cell Research Enhancement Act of 2005, a bill to ease restrictions on federal funding for embryonic stem cell research. Override attempt failed in House, 235–193 (286 needed). May 1, 2007: Vetoed H.R. 1591, U.S. Troop Readiness, Veterans' Care, Katrina Recovery, and Iraq Accountability Appropriations Act, 2007. Override attempt failed in House, 222–203 (284 needed). A later version of the bill that excluded certain aspects of the initial legislation that the President disapproved of H.R. 2206, was enacted as Pub.L. 110–28 with the President's approval. June 20, 2007: Vetoed S. 5, Stem Cell Research Enhancement Act of 2007. No override attempt made. October 3, 2007: Vetoed H.R. 976, Children's Health Insurance Program Reauthorization Act of 2007 ("SCHIP"). Override attempt failed in House, 273–156 (286 votes needed). November 2, 2007: Vetoed H.R. 1495, Water Resources Development Act of 2007. Overridden by House, 361–54 (277 votes needed). Overridden by Senate, 79–14 (62 needed), and enacted as Pub.L. 110–114 over the President's veto. November 13, 2007: Vetoed H.R. 3043, Departments of Labor, Health and Human Services, and Education, and Related Agencies Appropriations Act of 2008. Override attempt failed in House, 277–141 (279 votes needed). December 12, 2007: Vetoed H.R. 3963, Children's Health Insurance Program Reauthorization Act of 2007.[31] Override attempt failed in House, 260–152 (275 votes needed). December 28, 2007: Vetoed H.R. 1585, National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2008.[32] No override attempt made. A later version of the bill that changed a minor provision of which the President disapproved was quickly passed by Congress (H.R. 4986) and was enacted with the President's approval as Pub.L. 110–181 on January 28, 2008.[note 1] March 8, 2008: Vetoed H.R. 2082, Intelligence Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2008.[33][34] Override attempt failed in House, 225–188 (276 votes needed). May 21, 2008: Vetoed H.R. 2419, 2007 U.S. Farm Bill.[35][36] Overridden by House, 316–108 (283 votes needed). Overridden by Senate, 82–13 (64 votes needed). Enacted as Pub.L. 110-234 over the President's veto. Due to a clerical error, this act was repealed by Pub.L. 110-246. June 18, 2008: Vetoed H.R. 6124, 2007 U.S. Farm Bill, re-passed by Congress to correct a clerical error in HR 2419.[37] Overridden by House, 317–109 (284 votes required). Overridden by Senate, 80–14 (63 votes needed). Enacted as Pub.L. 110–246 over the President's veto. July 15, 2008: Vetoed H.R. 6331, Medicare Improvements for Patients and Providers Act of 2008.[38] Overridden by House, 383–41 (283 votes required.) Overridden by Senate, 70–26 (64 votes required). Enacted as Pub.L. 110–275 over the President's veto. Barack Obama Main article: Barack Obama President Obama issued twelve vetoes; of which the status of five is disputed. (Obama considered them pocket vetoes, but since he returned the parchments to Congress, the Senate considers them regular vetoes.) They are:[39] December 30, 2009: Vetoed H.J.Res. 64, a joint resolution making further continuing appropriations for fiscal year 2010, and for other purposes. Override attempt failed in House, 143–245, 1 present (260 needed).[40][note 2] October 7, 2010: Vetoed H.R. 3808, the Interstate Recognition of Notarizations Act of 2010. Override attempt failed in House, 185–235 (280 needed).[41][note 2] February 24, 2015: Vetoed S. 1, the Keystone XL Pipeline Approval Act.[42] Override attempt failed in Senate, 62–36 (66 needed). March 31, 2015: Vetoed S.J.Res. 8, a joint resolution providing for congressional disapproval under chapter 8 of title 5, United States Code, of the rule submitted by the National Labor Relations Board relating to representation case procedures.[43][note 2][note 3] The Senate voted to table the veto message rather than vote on an override of the veto. Tabled 96–3. October 22, 2015: Vetoed H.R. 1735, the National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2016.[44] December 19, 2015: Vetoed S.J.Res. 23, a joint resolution providing for congressional disapproval under chapter 8 of title 5, United States Code, of a rule submitted by the Environmental Protection Agency relating to "Standards of Performance for Greenhouse Gas Emissions from New, Modified, and Reconstructed Stationary Sources: Electric Utility Generating Units".[45][note 2] December 19, 2015: Vetoed S.J.Res. 24, a joint resolution providing for congressional disapproval under chapter 8 of title 5, United States Code, of a rule submitted by the Environmental Protection Agency relating to "Carbon Pollution Emission Guidelines for Existing Stationary Sources: Electric Utility Generating Units".[45][note 2] January 8, 2016: Vetoed H.R. 3762, the Restoring Americans' Healthcare Freedom Reconciliation Act of 2015.[46] Override attempt failed in House, 241–186 (285 votes needed). January 19, 2016: Vetoed S.J.Res. 22, a joint resolution providing for congressional disapproval under chapter 8 of title 5, United States Code, of the rule submitted by the Corps of Engineers and the Environmental Protection Agency relating to the definition of "waters of the United States" under the Federal Water Pollution Control Act[47] June 8, 2016: Vetoed H.J.Res. 88, a joint resolution disapproving the rule submitted by the Department of Labor relating to the definition of the term "Fiduciary".[48] July 22, 2016: Vetoed H.R. 1777, Presidential Allowance Modernization Act of 2016.[49] September 23, 2016: Vetoed S. 2040, Justice Against Sponsors of Terrorism Act.[50] Overridden by Senate, 97–1 (66 votes needed).[51] Overridden by House, 348–77, 1 present (284 votes needed).[52] Enacted as Pub.L. 114–222 over the President's veto.