Anyone on TMB a good poker player?

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  1. Schadenfred

    Schadenfred Well-Known Member

    The only time this would be anything but an all-in is if 2+ players ahead of you are involved and you're looking at a pay bump by folding. This situation, though, is a standard all-in with 10bb. AQ is a premium hand, and you're no worse than 43% most of the time.
     
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  2. NineteenNine

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  3. Don't Hate Me Bro!

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    $5/10/25, in for $2.5k... play some hands with me...

    HH1
    $2.5k eff

    HJ opens $60
    CO calls
    SB (me) 7s6s 3b to $215
    HJ and CO call

    Flop (~$680): As4s5d

    SB bets $300
    HJ calls
    CO folds

    Turn ($1280): 5s

    SB bets $300
    HJ calls

    River ($1880): 4d

    SB?
    —————

    HH2
    $2.5k eff

    MP (me) AdJh open to $60
    BTN calls

    Flop ($160): Jd9d8h

    MP bets $75
    BTN calls

    Turn ($310) Kh

    MP bets $200
    BTN calls

    River ($710) 4d

    MP checks
    BTN bets $500
    MP?

    ———————————

    Flopped a set of aces and got it on the flop vs the case ace + flush draw, and held.

    Folded QQ preflop to a 3b from an action player, tank folded face up HU and no one could believe it... then the action player smiled and showed the AA. Table went nuts. Pay attention to raise/bet sizing.
     
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  5. Joe Louis

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    I am trying to re work my thinking around AQ and KQ. Guy I been talking hands with was saying the same thing. It's a different mindset though cause I used to avoid playing them almost ...
     
  6. Joe Louis

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    :ballin:
     
  7. HuskerGuy99

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    Massive rebound at $1/3 from the disaster that was last weekend. Things ALMOST went completely great. Here was yet another AA gem that is just bewildering to me. My EV chart with AAs has to look like a less than sign for the time frame of the last 12 months.

    Guy sits down with $300 and is unracking. He raises to $20. One call and it comes to me in late position. I raise to $70 with AA and original raiser is the only customer. Flop is 238 rainbow. This savant jams the rest of his stack in and I call. Turn is a 10 and he begins to flip his hand over quickly. Usually this means he hit his set of 10s in my experience. I'm pissed for a moment until I notice an ace in his hand. He jammed with A10 off and apparently thought the 10 was good. It was. River 10. Like what fucking planet are we on? Dude racks up and leaves after one hand. I think the other people at the table were more pissed than I was.

    No matter. We grind up a $1600 stack through yet another amazing assortment of loose weekend players. Weekends are truly the best time to play if you can grind out a solid 8 hours during the prime drinking time. I would say about $1000 of profit came from two players that were playing way more hands than they should have been. Last weekend we couldn't pick these guys off, but this weekend we were very fortunate to have them blast mediocre hands into our strongest holdings. Also took another really unfortunate river (BOTTOM PAIR calling our top pair all-in for $200 and tripping up) in a $600+ pot against a bad player, otherwise we may have cashed out over $2k but those are the swings.
     
  8. HuskerGuy99

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    When you have 10BBs, you have to jam those hands along with any pocket pair. Payout distributions also come into consideration, but with 10BBs...what are you waiting for? Aces? They may never come...
     
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  9. HuskerGuy99

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    HH1, think we can safely bet here...unless you are playing against a loose cannon. Check-call may also be an option in case you were called by a looser player with a weak ace or something xKs. Leaning toward betting here to take aces to value town.

    HH2 also player dependent. Call looser players, fold to tighter players. Another option after rereading the action, you can just jam it in on him over the top repping the nut flush. Know your opponent here though.
     
  10. Joe Louis

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    Yeah there were many other hands this weekend that I regret more than that one. But seem to have found a good groove back at 1/2. May take it down a notch next weekend. I wanna be close to my full roll when I go up to my spot in WV for March madness ...
     
  11. HuskerGuy99

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    Study up a bit if you're going to play a lot of tournaments. There are actually a LOT more hands that you should be jamming around 10 BBs. Almost any suited ace, suited broadways, pocket pairs. Remember that you have to get lucky to win these tournaments and once you're in that 10 BB territory, fearlessness should take over (with payment considerations kept in mind of course).
     
  12. Joe Louis

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    Naw I get that. But i also think i navigate a 10 bb stack pretty well, so hindsight always gnaws at me. It wasnt a tough move the moment though ...
     
  13. Don't Hate Me Bro!

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    Yeah, checking would be a disaster here.

    What can we deduce about villain’s range based on action so far?
    What kind of hands are we targeting for value? What kind of hands are we perceived to have in our range based on action thus far?

    Let’s assume an unknown unless otherwise stated.

    I like the ch/shove line with the nut blocker. But it just wasn’t having the nut blocker I can represent that led me to shove...
    -What kind of hands call on that flop? What kind of hands should/would raise the flop?
    -What hands is he targeting with his river sizing, it’s a pretty healthy ~2/3pot, what kind of hands does villain think will call/fold? To me his river sizing was odd, he should be checking back a lot of his range/non nutted hands on the river.
     
  14. Schadenfred

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    At least in part, villain's range is dependent on your image. Of course villain's range also depends on his image. Both of which no one else here knows.

    Absent of more knowledge, villain's range is AJ, AQ, not all AKs (some AKs 4b pre), better flushes, maybe some AT and A9s because of small turn bet, and suited connectors containing a 5. Perhaps the small turn bet also keeps in some 67s. Flopped wheel almost always comes over the top on flop.

    Your perceived range is nutty, bluffs, and AQ/AK. Hard for you to be seen as having a high flush given action pre, though.

    I'd rather have seen a larger flop bet and a turn jam, especially if your image is aggy/loose. I'd like to say that your river jam could fold out some better flushes, but I think a semi-competent villain with a better flush would have raised your weak turn lead. Obviously you bet small on the turn to set up a river jam, and anything but a jam is foolish since you get no value from aces.

    Also, not sure I get that pre 3b with that effective stack size while holding low suited-connectors OOP. Maybe if stacks were at least double, but the 4-to-1 stack-to-pot ratio heading into the flop with 67s from the SB looks well short of breakeven expected value. On the other hand, if this is early in the session and you're trying to cultivate an image, a lost buy-in might be a good investment. Would certainly get you action later.

    Also, regardless of how the hand turned out, I'm flipping over 67s.
     
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  15. HuskerGuy99

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    Assuming an unknown, I think I'm going for value given our incredibly small turn bet. Maybe even as small as $500. $300 turn bet gives a guy with a broadway spade a decent price to see the river and you possibly get pocket 10s through Ks to pay you off with a small river bet. A jam in this spot does not get paid off very often in my experience, so it's all up to how you want to cultivate a table image and how good you think the players are (do you think they just called that scary flop with AK-A10)?
     
  16. NDfanPSUgrad

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    Did you reveal the hands yet?

    Going to say HH1 guy had A10-AK or KK with the spade. I think you won the hand with the flush and guy ended up with AA55K.

    HH2 I’ll say KQ suited. Guy calls with the gut shot and turns his K. Good check on the river but he knows your beat. No need for a hero call there.
     
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  17. dblplay1212

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    I always go back to this when looking at scenarios. There's bets and calls I'll make against one guy that I'm not against another guy.

    There's one regular at the room I go to that I just try to avoid bc he is so damn loose. You just never know. He could be 3 betting bottom pair or top set and you'll never know the difference. He typically does really well bc he's uber aggressive and you have no clue what his range is bc he doesn't have a range. He doesn't have an ounce of fear in him. He doesn't play every hand, he picks his spots, so it's not as easy as just sitting back and waiting on a premium hand. Thankfully he bounces from table to table so he's not at my table long. I don't fuck with him unless I have the stone cold nuts.
     
  18. Jake Barnes

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    We have a guy like this in our game. Richer than God and adventurous.
     
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  19. Bulworth

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    I don't think he prefers to be down either but would you feel better going home down $500 or up $400?
     
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  20. NineteenNine

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    Was slightly tongue in cheek.
     
  21. Jake Barnes

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    Went this route tonight. Bought in for $200.
    Left with $810.

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  22. Jake Barnes

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    Agree with both of these. Ready to value bet $800 on the river and puke-call a reraise on HH1.
     
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  23. dblplay1212

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  24. HuskerInMiami

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  25. dblplay1212

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    1. You're a sick fuck for 3 betting 6s7s out of position.
    2. Depends on the player. Tight player that I don't expect to chase a flush? I call him, thinking he's using the river to bluff. Weekend guy looking to mix it up? Probably folding bc I think he chased and hit.
     
  26. HuskerGuy99

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    Here's the biggest pot I played yesterday. I'll post results later tonight or tomorrow.

    $2/5 great game. Lot of action. Straddle off and on making the game play a bit larger. Villain in hand is an incredibly aggressive player and is playing over 50% of hands. Young kid with glasses, hoodie, and the whole deal. He has over $2000 in front of him built up from $300. Hitting a ton of flops and previously took $400 from us in a hand where he flopped trips with 59o against our overpair. Also has gone all-in on the flop with top pair, top kicker for $800. Making many bets over the size of the pot and scaring people at the table. Players at the table are now adjusting by limping into him with premiums and hoping he raises to $50+ preflop.

    Villain in EP. Straddle is on. $670 effective stacks. Villain calls $10, 2 other calls, and we call for $5 more in the BB with Kh7c. Flop comes K75 with a heart draw. We lead out $20 and villain immediately raises to $60. Folds around and we call. ($165) Turn is the 4 of hearts completing the flush and straight draws. We check and villain jams a damn near 4x pot bet.

    You?
     
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  27. Jake Barnes

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    Would anybody be interested in joining if I set up a room on pppoker for TMB players?

    Our local group has been using one for the last month and it's a neat deal. They offer NLHE (regular and 6+), PLO (4 and 5 card), Chinese and MTTs.
     
  28. Don't Hate Me Bro!

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    For money? Or fun?
     
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  29. dblplay1212

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    Yes.
     
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  30. Jake Barnes

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    Either. Money preferably.

    It's just a straight conversion from cash to the currency used on the app. Money would be handled through venmo, paypal, or cashapp transfers. I would charge a tiny rake (1% capped at 2-3 BBs) just to cover the costs for getting more chips.
     
  31. dblplay1212

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    I call.
     
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  32. Jake Barnes

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    Just PM'd you.

    If anybody else is interested, shoot me a PM as well. At the least, I can get people registered and joined into the group with no cost at all, then we can figure out particulars.
     
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  33. Schadenfred

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    Yep. Redraw with flopped top two versus super-laggy villain who repeatedly over-bets while playing ATC? Sure, he still has you beaten on the turn a good percentage of the time, but you can't fold to players like that in situations like this. Only thing I'd have done differently was re-raise flop.

    edit: I mean, if villain has in his range K5, K4, K6, and 75 (as well as 76, 65, 64, and 54), we can never fold here. Moreover, complete bluffs and semi-bluffs are absolutely in his range when he knows about half the turns should be scary to you. Every heart and most cards from 9 down will shut down many out-of-position players facing pressure. His fold equity is massive.
     
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  34. Don't Hate Me Bro!

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    Prob fold. Shit price. Hard to find a ton of bluffs. He could do this with a naked Ah some % of the time I guess, maybe KxQ/J/Th - but weird flop line. The way you described villain he’s overplaying hands/capable of thin value, but sd value nonetheless. You’re ~45% vs a range I think can raise flop... 55,77 (reduced),AhKx (unlikely),46s,57s,68s,89hh,K5s,AXhh,KxQh... MDF is like 20% not that it matters much here, but I’d rather call with my sets and smaller flushes.

    I’ll play if there’s interest
     
  35. NDfanPSUgrad

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    I’m interested.
     
  36. Jake Barnes

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    Added you to the PM chain
     
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  38. Jake Barnes

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    Read through the PM chain I added you to.
     
  39. HuskerGuy99

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    It was a tough spot for sure. One of the toughest I have been in in quite a while. I tried not to level myself based off the last big pot I lost to this guy, and I ended up calling because I had the Kh. Without that, I'm not sure I can make the call. River was Qc and he flipped over Kx6h. Huge pot that took us out of the negative from the past couple weeks.
     
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  40. tigr2ndbase

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    I’d be interested in donating my money to all of you instead of randoms at the casino.
     
  41. Jake Barnes

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    Added you to the PM list. I’m throwing in $100 in credit for everybody.
     
  42. NDfanPSUgrad

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    It’s much better plus your casino sucks ass because i lost every hand I got in good.
     
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  43. Jake Barnes

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    Still looking for more players for our TMB online room; we’ve got 13 so far. $100 credit to start, $20 referral bonus and a $50 HH jackpot for quads or better.
     
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  44. fish

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    These are strictly ring games? No SnGs?
     
  45. Jake Barnes

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    SnGs are an option on the site; we can explore as time goes on and we get more members. I will definitely be setting up tournaments at least twice a week once we get to 30 or so.
     
  46. NDfanPSUgrad

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    Who wants to lose some money? I got 30 minutes or so
     
  47. Jake Barnes

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    fish I have added you to the PM chain
     
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  49. Jake Barnes

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    Added you
     
  50. DriveByBBQ

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    Also interested.