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  1. SugarShaun

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    I’m sure Liverpool fans all remember the time they were promoted to top division
     
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  2. Wu

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    Playing Birmingham natives Black Sabbath, hell yeah
     
  3. Frank Martin

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    Success is relative. It's the joy of earning something those Villa fans are experiencing right now after sticking through the hard times.
     
  4. Corky Bucek

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  5. SugarShaun

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    I was at a bar/pub to watch final day a few years back (I think Villa were relegated that year) and there was 1 guy wearing a Villa jersey. We had beers together and watched final day, was a good time.
     
  6. Andy Reocho

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    We oil money now
     
  7. zeberdee

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  8. Andy Reocho

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    I get the hate. And this isn’t the most ideal person/group to be owned by. But after all Mike Ashley has done I don’t really care. Will be fun to see the club with some ambition
     
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  9. elfrid

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    i, for one, welcome our new oil overlords
     
  10. Wu

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    *oilverlords
     
  11. zeberdee

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    an Arsenal podcast last week used the boiling frog analogy to describe what has happened to football and I thought it was very apt. turning it up a few more degrees with this.
     
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  13. Frank Martin

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    Will you really enjoy winning a trophy knowing it was merely bought?

    If so, you should have just saved yourself the hassle and been a Chelsea or City fan a decade ago when you picked a team.
     
  14. Andy Reocho

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  15. Andy Reocho

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    Get off your high horse. You’ve bought all your top talent.
     
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  16. Frank Martin

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    With sustainable revenue the club generated, correct?
     
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  17. Wu

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  18. Andy Reocho

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    But not developed through your own club, correct? So your success is bought.
     
  19. elfrid

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    let the pillaging of players from the less fortunate clubs commence

    i only ask that you don’t take gwen
     
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  20. AUShyGuy

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    I can’t figure out if £350M is high, low, or fair price.

    FSG bought Liverpool supposedly for £265m in 2011 and Mansour paid £210 in 2008, both before the latest tv rights deal.
     
  21. Frank Martin

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    Is this really the argument you want to make when we started an equal number of youth products when we played each other last?
     
  22. Wu

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    If it’s the rumored 350m then that’s a steal for a big club with an established supporter base in one of the best home stadium environments
     
  23. Frank Martin

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    He tried to buy Liverpool for 2 billion last year so it's probably fair. But the value is going to increase significantly quickly for the reasons Wu mentioned.
     
  24. Andy Reocho

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    Are you going to really try and argue that Newcastle United fans don’t deserve an owner who gives a shit like they do?
     
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  25. Andy Reocho

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    It seems low to me based on the size of the fan base, the stadium, and that it’s the only big club in the region. Yes offense, #Sunderland
     
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  26. AUShyGuy

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    Yeah just found where Kronke bought out just Usmanov for £550m.

    £350m ain’t bad
     
  27. London Humphreys

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    How does Rocky Ray Hudson feel about all this?

    Also, the derby keeper was absolute trash today.
     
  28. Frank Martin

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    Yeah, you deserve an owner that actually appreciates the club and does it the right way. Maybe he will do it the right way.

    But if he acts like Man City, I feel sorry for the Newcastle fans knowing your success under this ownership will be hollow knowing there was nothing about your proud club that contributed to the success.
     
  29. NineteenNine

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    And that was like 29% of the shares, right?
     
  30. Andy Reocho

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    Acting like Man City meaning he spends money? What are you getting at? Just because City used to be crap and got new owners doesn’t mean any club owned by a Middle Eastern family/group does it the “wrong way”
     
  31. Walt Disney

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    That could be a top post on r/cringe
     
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  32. Frank Martin

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    It hurts your feelings because you know it's true.
     
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  33. Andy Reocho

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    Also, the answer to this was one. How does that even come close to supporting your argument? You started one home grown player, with all of zero more on the bench.

    Right way?
     
  34. Frank Martin

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    Yes if you go out and violate the intent of the FFP like Man City, you are certainly doing it the wrong way.
     
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  35. Gunners

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    I don't go as far as Watson but Liverpool are a team built on the revenue the club creates, they aren't a play thing for fucked up oil states. Legitimizing these terrible people is gross.
     
  36. Frank Martin

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    Maybe you should clarify what you're trying to argue? That's going to be the case for almost all of the premier league.
     
  37. zeberdee

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    yea this is how I feel. let’s not act like all money is the same. these oil states are disgusting.
     
  38. Frank Martin

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    That's what really gets me with users like Tobias who portrays himself as a born again liberal that's moved on from his conservative ways.
     
  39. Andy Reocho

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    I mean, it seems like you continually bash City for buying their success, when as you just said, all of the Premier League does that.

    If your stance is strictly the FFP stuff, I wouldn't lump Newcastle/other clubs into the City category until they do it. Newcastle has done it the "right way" according to you, and look where that's taken the club.
     
  40. Wu

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    This acquisition should produce a good True Geordie rant but unless they’re spending Scrooge McDuck money like Citeh then there shouldn’t be a FFP problem.

    Again, historic well supported big club
     
  41. Frank Martin

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    There is huge difference between what City has done than even what Chelsea did before any of those Man City fans started following the sport.

    All premier league clubs buy players, but there is only one that's running a Billion pound deficit over the last decade.


    Your posts have alluded to you hoping Newcastle pulls a Man City. That's why I'm asking if you really would enjoy winning that way?

    Like I've already said, I won't criticize Newcastle if your ownership does it in a sustainable way.
     
  42. Andy Reocho

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    I have said I’m hoping for an owner that will invest in the club. Newcastle just this January finally spent 20mil on a player. They were the first club in England to spend above 16 on one, last PL team to spend 20+. The youth and training facilities needed updates 5 years ago. The club have been relegated twice and gone through a long list of muppets as the manager.

    I’m not saying break the rules and dump hundreds of millions into players. I’m wanting an owner that will use his worth to try and win on the field and not in the financial books(Mike Ashley).
     
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  43. zeberdee

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    do you not care where the money dumped in the club comes from? is that something you can just compartmentalize?

    honestly asking.
     
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  44. Andy Reocho

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    It matters, like I said I don't prefer it to be this type of group that bought the club. But that's out of my control isn't it? Am I just supposed to stop following Newcastle now?
     
  45. zeberdee

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    no but you don’t necessarily have to defend it so fiercely.
     
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  46. Andy Reocho

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    Watson hasn't even been arguing about where the money comes from. It changes from City bought their success, to they're breaking the FFP/doing it the right way, to now it's an ethical thing.

    I said from the jump this isn't the preferred way. But if it's the way that Newcastle will get some money put into them for the point of on field success, I'll give it a chance.
     
  47. Frank Martin

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    Are you kidding me?

    I’ve been blasting them for their slave labor and human rights violations for years.
     
  48. Andy Reocho

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    You have. And you've also talked a whole lot about them buying their success and breaking the FFP rules. And I was arguing today those two sides as it seems to be the key points you've hinted since this rumor popped up.

    I wasn't trying to look past it, I just didn't think that's the part you were discussing with/around me
     
  49. Illinihockey

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    They are literally buying clubs for propaganda reasons
     
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  50. Nelson

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    I’ll take the Glazers and sixth place over oil funding any day of the week