Detroit Tigers Thread: Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter Here

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  1. smeegsgreen

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    Is Gardy the coach next year?
     
  2. Vinegar Strokes

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    Idk. Tough to call. I will lean towards no. If he’s back next year it’s either as a lame duck, or he’s just retiring after the season.
     
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  4. Vinegar Strokes

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    Tigers moved Nick Quintana to Connecticut.

    Bust

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  5. smeegsgreen

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    Yikes.
     
  6. Vinegar Strokes

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    He’s tired bro.
     
  7. smeegsgreen

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    Fucking exhausted.
     
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  9. smeegsgreen

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    How do we feel about Garrett Hill MG2 ? Not on any prospect list but has a 1.41 ERA in 7 starts in WM and 1.88 ERA in 13 starts in Lakeland this year. Had another stellar outing tonight 7 IP 1 H 0 R 5 K
     
  10. smeegsgreen

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    Skubal with 5 IP 1 H 10 K tonight
     
  11. MG2

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    I've never read a word about him anywhere and know nothing
     
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  12. MG2

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    Just saw this from Mark Anderson on the Tigers247 site. He ranked Hill #41 in his mid-season top 50 a few weeks ago and wrote this:

    Hill has been a pleasant surprise for Tigers fans this year after dominating the Midwest League through seven starts and continuing to find success following a promotion to Lakeland. Hill’s arsenal is more solid than spectacular, but the 2018 26th round pick has a chance to develop into an inning eating fourth or fifth starter down the line.
     
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  13. smeegsgreen

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    Thanks. Mark’s great - can you post some highlights of his new list?
     
  14. MG2

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    Mark Anderson's mid-season top 50 list, starting with 1-10:

    1. Casey Mize (RHP)

    Only a minor – if there is such a thing – shoulder injury has slowed Mize down this year as he has dominated in his first full season. If healthy, he is arguably the best pitching prospect in the game.

    2. Matt Manning (RHP)

    Manning’s stock is on the rise this year as he has consistently dominated Double-A hitters with an overpowering fastball-curveball combination. There’s more raw potential here than Mize, but also considerably more risk.

    3. Riley Greene (OF)

    The Tigers top pick last month, Greene is a gifted hitter with big-time raw power at such a young age. Where he lands defensively in the outfield remains a bit of a question, but the bat should be good enough to carry the profile.

    4. Tarik Skubal (LHP)

    This year’s breakout prospect in the Tigers system, Skubal has come all the way back from 2017 Tommy John surgery and is flashing an electric arsenal and above-average command. He’s not on the level of Mize/Manning yet, but he’s not that far away either.

    5. Daz Cameron (OF)

    Cameron has struggled at the plate this year in Triple-A, but the raw ingredients continue to flash. There are plenty of paths for him to have a role in the big leagues, and if the bat comes back to life, he could still be an everyday player.

    6. Isaac Paredes (SS/3B)

    Though his bat has come to life a bit in recent weeks and he’s still young for the league, Paredes needs to start flashing the potential for a premium bat given his defensive misgivings. Unlike Cameron, there’s a narrow window for him to find his way on a big league roster, making him a very high risk prospect.

    7. Beau Burrows (RHP)

    Burrows hasn’t really improved or hurt his stock considerably this year and he should get a shot in Detroit before the season is over. There’s quite a bit of reliever risk in the profile, but the Tigers have every reason to let him try to start for the time being.

    8. Parker Meadows (OF)

    Quite young for the Midwest League, Meadows has flashed loud tools and shown considerable improvement throughout the first half of the season. Next to Riley Greene, Meadows has the highest upside of any position player in the organization.

    9. Nick Quintana (3B)

    A recent second round pick, Quintana profiles as a well-rounded, high floor player at the hot corner. There’s defensive aptitude, thump in his bat, and enough feel for contact that he could be a solid regular down the line.

    10. Willi Castro (SS)

    Castro’s bat has taken a nice step forward this year, showing a strong feel for hitting and some gap power. Questions remain about his defense, particularly his throws from shortstop, but there’s at least a potential utility player in there.
     
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  15. MG2

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    11-20

    11. Jake Rogers (C)

    After a dismal season with the bat in 2018, Rogers has once again come back to life at the plate while still showing exceptional defensive ability. He’s never going to be a high-average hitter, but if he can find his power in game situations at the big league level, he’ll log plenty of time in Detroit.

    12. Alex Faedo (RHP)

    After seeing his stock plummet in 2018, just a year after being a first round pick, Faedo has bounced back this season. The stuff still isn’t overpowering, but he’s throwing more quality strikes and could be a number four starter if he keeps this up.

    13. Wenceel Perez (SS/2B)

    One look at the stat line and Perez looks like a bit of a disappoint this year after entering the season with plenty of hype. But as a teenager in the Midwest League, he’s showing tremendous feel for the game and enough in-game ability to keep the excitement alive heading into 2020.

    14. Andre Lipcius (INF)

    Yet another recent draft choice, Lipcius is similar to Quintana in that he owns a high floor and should move quickly through the system. There are questions about where he lands defensively, but his bat should play anywhere on the dirt.

    15. Kyle Funkhouser (RHP)

    If one thing has been a consistent theme throughout Funkhouser’s amateur and pro careers, it is inconsistency. That has continued this year and a recent demotion to Double-A hasn’t helped his stock. There remains plenty of volatility in Funkhouser’s projection, as he could end up a middle reliever, back-end starter, or even a higher leverage bullpen arm.

    16. Kody Clemens (2B)

    Clemens got off to a dreadful start this year and was one of the first half’s most significant disappointments, but he’s kicked it up over the last six to eight weeks. The bat has to carry the day, but he’s shown enough hitting ability, patience, and power to profile as a bat-first prospect at the keystone.

    17. Franklin Perez (RHP)

    The headline prospect in the Justin Verlander trade, Perez’s stock continues to plummet as he spends more time on the injured list than the pitcher’s mound. There’s plenty of raw stuff in the tank and age remains on his side, but if he can’t stay on the bump, his stock will continue to fall.

    18. Anthony Castro (RHP)

    Castro entered the year as a reliever – a move that fit with his long-term projection – but has since jumped back into the Double-A rotation where he has acquitted himself quite well. There’s plenty of reason to believe he ends up in the bullpen at the end of the day, but that could ultimately allow him to have more impact.

    19. Carlos Guzman (RHP)

    Guzman has been bitten by the injury bug this year, but when on the mound he showed quite well despite his relative inexperience on the mound. If he can get healthy, he could continue to climb this list in 2020 with the potential of a back-end starter.

    20. Kingston Liniak (OF)

    The Tigers gave Liniak $900,000 in the fourth round in 2018 and he quickly flashed some tools in the GCL during his debut. Though he struggled in a seven-game cameo with West Michigan, he’s back to showing athleticism and a quick bat with short-season Connecticut. There’s a lot of development ahead, but Liniak has a chance to be a solid player down the line.
     
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  16. MG2

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    21-30

    21. Gregory Soto (LHP)

    Soto surprised many by jumping to Detroit this season, but lefties that can work in the mid-90s tend to get those chances often enough. He’s likely a reliever long-term, but airing it out from the left side could allow him to find success in the Major Leagues.

    22. Eduardo Jimenez (RHP)

    Another reliever that’s gotten some big league time in 2019, Jimenez has a power fastball that gives him a chance to work in the seventh or eighth innings. He has to refine his command and continue to find consistency with his breaking ball before he settles into that role.

    23. Ryan Kriedler (SS)

    Kriedler continued the Tigers overwhelming trend of adding polished college players through the draft this year. He can handle shortstop and likely other infield positions, and some scouts believe his bat could provide enough that he carves out a niche as a utility infielder.

    24. Zac Houston (RHP)

    The dominance Houston showed at Triple-A last season did not carry over to 2019 as he posted a 10.00 ERA across 17 outings this year. He’s back to dominating in Double-A and should get another chance in Toledo this summer to prove he is an intriguing reliever option for the Tigers next season.

    25. Derek Hill (OF)

    After watching Hill’s stock tumble over the last three years, it has been a nice surprise to see him rebound some in his first exposure to Double-A. The defense, speed, and arm all still play at a high level, and while there’s more pop in his game this year, he’s struggling to make consistent contact which still leaves him projecting as more of a fourth outfielder.

    26. Elvin Rodriguez (RHP)

    Rodriguez continues to move up the ladder one rung at a time without much fanfare despite solid performances at every level. He mixes his pitches well and with additional strength, could find enough extra juice on his fastball to project as a back-end starter.

    27. Jake Robson (OF)

    Robson epitomizes the profile of a fourth outfielder; one capable of handling all three defensive spots, capable of stealing bases, and with the ability to make solid enough contact to keep pitchers honest. He’s not a flashy prospect, and he may be hard-pressed to carve out a lengthy big league career, but it’s also difficult to envision a scenario where he doesn’t get a shot by the end of the 2020 season.

    28. Sandy Baez (RHP)

    The 2019 season hasn’t been kind to Baez as he continues to try and find his way as a reliever. Still the owner of a power fastball, Baez is now 25-years old and may be running out of chances with the Tigers. Assuming he makes it through the off-season the 40-man roster, the 2020 season will be a make-or-break one as the Tigers try to figure out what to make of the talented right-hander.

    29. Adam Wolf (LHP)

    Wolf has been far too hittable for a polished college arm in the Midwest League this season, but that has more to do with his command than his raw stuff. As the club continues to work on the consistency in Wolf’s delivery, the hope is the command comes along for the ride and allows Wolf to settle in as a potentially durable number four or five starter.

    30. Sergio Alcantara (INF)

    Alcantara’s glove and arm strength carry the profile, giving him a chance at finding his way to the Major Leagues, but his small stature and lack of offensive projection continue to make that projection difficult for scouts. Short of discovering more consistent hard contact, it is getting increasingly difficult to see Alcantara filling a big league role at any point in the near future.
     
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  17. MG2

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    31-40 (I would take most of this list over just about everyone in the 21-30 list, personally)

    31. Wilkel Hernandez (RHP)

    At just 20-years old and starting every fifth day in West Michigan, Hernandez is more than holding his own at this stage of his development. There’s a likely reliever future here with a fastball that continues to gain velocity and potential for a quality breaking ball.

    32. Hugh Smith (RHP)

    It took a while for Smith to make his pro debut this year, but he has handled the Midwest League quite well after working to gain consistency in extended spring training. The developmental path is likely a long one, but Smith’s upside is huge given his size and potential power arsenal.

    33. Dustin Peterson (OF)

    Peterson just barely qualified for this Top 50 update, but he hangs in there for what is probably his last ranking. More of a bench outfielder long term, Peterson continues to handle Triple-A but has yet to figure out Major League pitching to find his niche in Detroit.

    34. Bryan Garcia (RHP)

    Back in action after missing 2018 with Tommy John surgery, Garcia is starting to get things in gear and look like the potential back-end relief option folk saw in 2017. The fastball is sitting more low-90s and peaking at 95-96 mph, rather than touching triple digits like it did two years ago, but he’s mixing pitches and rediscovering his command.

    35. Bryant Packard (OF)

    The Tigers fifth round pick out of East Carolina, Packard is a bat-first outfielder with a chance to get on base and slug enough to find his way to Detroit. The Tigers have pushed him quickly to Low-A and he should move quickly from there with his polished approach at the plate, feel for contact, and above-average raw power.

    36. Alvaro Gonzalez (INF)

    Concern is starting to creep in with some scouts as he struggles in the GCL, but Gonzalez is just 18-years old making his Stateside debut this season. His defensive home remains up in the air, but there’s still enough potential in the bat that his prospect stock should stay afloat for a while.

    37. Logan Shore (RHP)

    Recently shifted to relief, Shore is going to have a difficult road to the big leagues with below-average raw stuff and only solid control/command. His profile lends more to a mop up reliever or up-and-down emergency arm than any recurring role in the big leagues.

    38. Adinso Reyes (SS)

    Reyes has come out with a strong showing during his professional debut in the DSL this summer, hitting at a .281/.341/.425 clip through 38 games. Still just 17-years old, Reyes has the offensive upside to become one of the Tigers more impressive prospects.

    39. Jose DeLaCruz (OF)

    Much like his 2018 international classmate, De La Cruz has gotten off to a strong start in his professional career. There’s even more offensive potential with De La Cruz if things come together, including substantial raw power and the hitting ability to get to it in games.

    40. Kelvin Smith (SS)

    Smith was a project when signed as a 20th round pick last year out of Redan High School in Georgia, and that’s proving true this year as he continues to adjust to pro ball. Smith is a premium athlete with a broad set of extremely raw tools and it could take him a while to begin piecing things together in pro ball.
     
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  18. MG2

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    41-50

    41. Garrett Hill (RHP)

    Hill has been a pleasant surprise for Tigers fans this year after dominating the Midwest League through seven starts and continuing to find success following a promotion to Lakeland. Hill’s arsenal is more solid than spectacular, but the 2018 26th round pick has a chance to develop into an inning eating fourth or fifth starter down the line.

    42. Jason Foley (RHP)

    Another reliever on the mend from Tommy John surgery, Foley is continuing to round into form at High-A this year. If the electric fastball – one that regularly touched triple digits – and plus splitter return to form, Foley could move quickly to the Detroit bullpen in 2020.

    43. Brock Deatherage (OF)

    Deatherage drew plenty of attention after signing in the tenth round last year, due in no small part to his great name, but also because he tore the cover off the ball in his debut. He’s come back to earth this year but that shouldn’t undermine his athleticism and an exciting set of secondary tools that could make him a useful reserve at the Major League level.

    44. Tyler Alexander (LHP)

    Alexander has bounced back this year to pitch his way into the Detroit rotation thanks to both his performance and a bevy of injuries with the big club. As a command and control lefty, Alexander has little margin for error, but when he’s locating he can turn a lineup over and keep his team in the game.

    45. Jose Azocar (OF)

    Azocar’s peak saw him much higher on this list a couple of years ago as he burst onto the scene with eye-popping tools. His plus speed, quality defense, and strong arm all give him a solid foundation, and my looks this year have shown an improved approach – particularly with two strikes – at the plate.

    46. Ulrich Bojarski (OF)

    Bojarski struggled across thre levels last year but has found his footing in Low-A this season with 16 doubles and ten home runs through 89 games; both impressive numbers in a challenging offensive league – and home park. Bojarski’s profile is that of a classic right fielder with athleticism, physicality, and power potential.

    47. Sam McMillan (C)

    After a very tough season in Connecticut in 2018, both offensively and defensively, McMillan has rebounded with West Michigan this year. His on-base ability has stood out and the hope is he’ll make more contact with maturity. The developmental arc for catchers is notoriously slow, so be patient as McMillan navigates the process.

    48. Wladimir Pinto (RHP)

    Always known for his high-octane fastball that can reach the upper-90s, Pinto struggled with his command last year, walking too many batters and getting hit hard when he was in the zone. He’s back to throwing more strikes this year with an improved breaking ball, giving him the look of a potential bullpen piece sometime in 2020 or 2021.

    49. Cooper Johnson (C)

    Known for his glove coming out of Mississippi, the Tigers popped Johnson in the sixth round last month with the hope they could unlock some offensive ability and develop a well-rounded catcher. He has struggled at the plate thus far, but scouts have raved about his game calling and defensive chops so far.

    50. Gio Arriera (RHP)

    Arriera’s numbers this season (7.77 ERA, 1.90 WHIP) are startling, and not in a good way, but he continues to intrigue thanks to a quality fastball and promising secondary offerings. Command and control of his arsenal continue to lag behind and get Arriera in trouble, but if he can harness his stuff, he could be a nice back-end starter down the line.
     
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  19. Constant

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    Vin's girl Emily says that Skubal is averaging about 19k/9 since moving to Erie. :ohholkyfuck: at that.
     
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  20. MG2

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    Derek Hill is having a solid second half and has a 107 wRC+ for the season in AA. I bet he would get taken in the Rule V draft if they don't protect him, and at this point, I don't see what the argument would be to protect someone like Reyes over him.
     
  21. smeegsgreen

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    So would Hill have to be on the 25 man roster all season to be protected? Or 40 man? If 40 man boy there’s a ton a trash on their to let go.
     
  22. MG2

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    Has to be on the 40 man this winter to not be available in the Rule V.
     
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  23. smeegsgreen

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    Waldon posted this yesterday Vinegar Strokes

    Told by Eastern League contact who watched their team face #Tigers Tarik Skubal, “I didn’t know much about him, but you only need an inning to see how good he is. Like, my gosh, he made hitters look foolish. I don’t think anyone outside of Detroit expected that. He’s filthy.”
     
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  24. Vinegar Strokes

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    I can name like 35 guys on the 40 man roster that we can get rid of
     
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    I don't think I can name more than 5 guys on the team at this point.
     
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  26. Vinegar Strokes

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    I honestly can’t name anyone in our bullpen besides Farmer and Fat Joe
     
  27. MG2

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    Here is the current 40 man roster. If we DFA'd all 40 of them tonight, I think I could muster some level of anger/annoyance at the following 10 names:

    Boyd
    Farmer
    Fulmer
    Jimenez
    Norris
    Turnbull
    Candelario
    W. Castro
    Rogers
    Stewart

    And "anger" is pushing it for some of those guys. The rest would get no reaction.

    http://m.tigers.mlb.com/det/roster/40-man/
     
  28. Vinegar Strokes

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    Boyd, Rogers, Jacoby, Niko, Wili Castro, and Jeimer. Everyone else can go fuck themselves.

    And I wouldn’t even be pissed if Jeimer and Castro went bye bye
     
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    Should have traded Boyd. Another black eye on Avila’s resume
     
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    Eric Gordon hit a fucking moon shot to center. It was a couple innings ago but damn it was a bomb.
     
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    I haven't watched much Tigers this year, but Miggy has gone from big to fat. Bodes well for the next 5 years of his contract.
     
  33. smeegsgreen

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    What the fuck Jordy - fuck off
     
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    That’s an NBA player, dipshit.
     
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    Alex, Eric, who gives a shit.
     
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    Viper, Taylor, who gives a shit.
     
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    I forgot I changed my name. It was a Top Gun bit on our team board. If it brings it home, it was in response to an MG2 post.
     
  38. MG2

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    Riley Greene hit an inside the park HR in his WM debut
     
  39. DeToxRox

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    That catch though

     
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    Yeah I thought everyone said he sucked at defense when we drafted him? Seems to be holding up fine
     
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  42. MG2

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    I think people got more optimistic about his defensive profile this year than before and think he got faster, but no one thinks he's a CFer in the big leagues. It's hard to just stuff like that because Derek Hill or Daz Cameron probably make the same play look a lot easier because they're just faster than him.
     
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    Was it that he isn't quite fast enough to play CF and his arm isn't quite good enough for right? Or am I making that up? He could be perfect for LF in Detroit.
     
  45. Vinegar Strokes

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    that’s probably his likely position. Not sure why they are wasting his time in CF
     
  46. MG2

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    Yes, that was the report from pretty much everyone.

    He's allegedly gotten more athletic and projects to at least an average LF (according to most reports I've seen), and arm strength is one of those skills you can improve so maybe RF isn't out of the question.
     
  47. MG2

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    My guess is it's because he was the #5 pick in the draft and the best player in the system, so they're going to do what they think is necessary to make sure he's comfortable as he gets into pro ball. And if wanting to prove he can play CF makes him continue to work on his body and defensive abilities to the point that he maximizes his potential in those areas, everyone wins.
     
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  48. smeegsgreen

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    Not good at all man. Nice to see Rogers hit another homer.
     
  49. MG2

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    I realize the choices in the pen aren't good, but I don't understand why Gardenhire would go to Schreiber here in the 9th in his MLB debut.
     
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