Outside of the NBA thread we have never interacted but by all means continue with your bullshit of defending someone who’s giddy every time an unarmed black man is shot. Also please put me on ignore because I sure as fuck don’t care to interact with people like you.
To be fair, Riner is impossible to have a conversation/debate with. I think he has good intentions, but he is just an endless string of incomprehensible rhetorical questions and false equivalencies.
You sure seem to have a problem with words and definitions and things. That's ok though. Continue projecting, I know it's your thing.
though I agree completely with you,Y I worry that your going to ruin metoos preferred narrative. And he has worked so hard on it too.
I know you said you weren’t defending him, but then you proceeded to defend him so it’s clear you are the one projecting your ignorance on to others, which is par for the course for people like yourself.
what narrative, that riner is a racist, I stand by that and there are various people that have stated the same thing, but it’s only an issue when uppity stones decide to call it out, right? By the way are you still going to claim you’re not defending him? Because perhaps you should stop defending riner if you’re going to get offended when you’re called out for defending him.
Umm...I actually wonder if you really believe what you're writing or if this is just your troll login. But I'm not riner so I'm not going to get invested in trying to convince you of anything. It's pointless.
It always seems to me like he wants to debate base principles and absolutes. I've never met him, and this is tmb, so I really can't tell if his intentions are curiosity, trying to figure things out, disruption, or some sort of odd dog whistling. I lean towards 1-3 but I can't really tell. And it doesn't matter I guess.
You are most obviously in the right here. A true Bundle of joy. But you do you my insecure lil friend.
I’ll keep doing me, you know calling out racist shit, which seems to really get to you even when you yourself may see it the same way. Perhaps you should look into why it bothered you so much that I called Riner out for his dog whistling shit despite the fact that part of you sees it the same way I do. I guess you’re a believer that it’s only racist when white people agree that it’s racist.
So you’re going with the racism is an imaginary problem? You and your pal riner think alike, no wonder you defended him.
Nope, not that at all. Just that it's pretty easy to picture you, the individual, wearing a pot on your head, and tilting endlessly with every thing. It honestly sounds exhausting. Kinda like interacting with you via tmb actually.
I'm sure it is for you. I'd bet that most things are actually. That aside, not sure there is anything to gain from continuing to interact with you. I kinda get your schtick better now. Hurl insults at other posters to initiate them responding to you so you can get a little bit of attention. It doesn't really have to be that way. I don't know much about you or riner other than the two of you argue in circles incessantly and it pollutes the board. Now I'm falling into the same trap. I'll sign off now and let you get your last lil ad hominem comment in. Make sure to make it a good one.
riner’s big belief is that racism is a thing individuals do to each other but largely not a problem - and that the only real systemic racism that still exists is anything even close affirmative action. That is to say, that white men and possibly Asians are the real victims of systemic racism in America.
gotta add take pictures of road sign for school trip Black swimmer doing little more than taking tourist pics forced to ground at gunpoint Moments after Jaylan Butler took the above photo (right), Illinois police officers swarmed, accusing him of a crime. Spoiler The only black swimmer on the Eastern Illinois University swim team is suing several Illinois law enforcement agencies after he was wrongfully accused of a crime, forced to the ground at gunpoint and threatened by police, according to the ACLU of Illinois. The nonprofit is representing Jaylan Butler in the suit, which names officers from the Hampton Police Department, the East Moline Police Department, and the Rock Island County Sheriff’s Office. Butler is accusing them of false arrest, excessive detention, and excessive use of force in an incident initially reported by the Dispatch-Argus. “My dad taught me at a young age what to do when you are stopped by police officers—stop instantly, put your hands up, drop anything you are holding, and drop to your knees,” Butler told the ACLU of Illinois. “I hoped I would never have to use this advice in my life, but all that changed in seconds.” Butler was traveling with his swim team from a college championship in South Dakota Feb. 24, 2019 when the bus they were riding on stopped just after 8 p.m. for students to stretch their legs near East Moline, Illinois, the ACLU of Illinois reported. After Butler and several of his peers got off the bus, a coach asked Butler to take a photo of a road sign for the team’s social media account. Butler took the photo and was walking back to the bus when several law enforcement vehicles swarmed the area, according to the lawsuit. Officers reportedly told Butler to “get down” and “don’t f---ing move.” “Surprised and confused,” he put his hands up, dropped his cell phone, and fell to his knees, attorneys said in the lawsuit. Police officers targetted Butler, pointed their firearms at him, and pushed him facedown on the ground, the ACLU of Illinois reported. “While one officer handcuffed him, other officers pinned him to the ground by pushing a knee into Jaylan’s back and pressing down on Jaylan’s neck,” the ACLU of Illinois said. “Another officer then held his gun to Jaylan’s forehead and threatened to ‘blow his f---ing head off’ if he moved.” The team bus driver and coach got off the bus at that point and explained to the officers that Butler was on the swim team, but even when they realized Butler wasn’t the suspect they were searching for, officers searched Butler’s pockets, kept him in handcuffs and forced him to provide identification before releasing him, the ACLU of Illinois reported. Bus driver Todd Slingerland told the Dispatch-Argus police officers claimed they were taking Butler into custody because they thought the bus was being held hostage. "The one officer was telling Jaylan they were going to arrest him for resisting, but how could they arrest him for something he hadn't done," Slingerland asked the newspaper. He said the bus he drove had EIU on the side of it and Butler was wearing an EIU jacket. “I told them to get the sheriff over there because this was a very big mistake,” Slingerland said. "They said the sheriff was busy with an active-shooter event." Butler told the ACLU of Illinois the encounter stuck with him in the days that followed and he’s had to receive counseling. “I was scared and depressed,” he said. “I remember sitting in class the next day, looking at the bruises on my wrists and replaying the events of that night. Now whenever I see a police officer, I don’t feel safe—I feel scared and anxious.” ACLU of Illinois attorney Rachel Murphy called what happened to Jaylan “an example of the harmful police interactions that people of color experience far too often.” “These officers forcibly arrested and searched Jaylan without reasonable suspicion, probable cause, or any other lawful justification,” Murphy said. “They never told Jaylan why he was being arrested, even after they realized their mistake. Instead, it’s clear they based their decision to arrest and harm Jaylan on the fact that he was a young Black man.”
Clearly they just got him confused with the other black kid kidnapping a swim team bus with a cell phone camera. Honest mistake, coulda happened to any of us.
Oh no, I missed this.... This is not true. I do think racism exists beyond individuals. I don't think there are any "real" or "fake" victims of racism. Any policy, position, or belief, by groups or individuals, which groups people based on race then assigns value (or lack of value) to each group is racism. Push-back against this is rather....odd. I think racism has been on the decline for years. Roughly since slavery was abolished. I still think it's a problem and should be met with extreme intolerance whenever it happens. But I also think we are being programmed to find racism everywhere. It's proven to be an effective tool.
The context can be found in the quoted post I responded to Facts erroneously claimed that I only think real racism is against white men or maybe Asians. I don't think there is real racism and fake racism. Something is either racist or it's not. And weather the victim is black or white or Asian or anything else does not make it any more real.
Of what is or is not racism? To some degree we are all our own arbitrators. I defined it above though: Any policy, position, or belief, by groups or individuals, which groups people based on race then assigns value (or lack of value) to each group is racism. That's not an exhaustive list of all possible types of racism, but a fine place to start.
>There’s no such thing as fake racism. >But also, people are conditioned to look for racism where it doesn’t exist. /riner