Best case scenario, we lead everyone to believe Rees is the future until National Signing Day so the class stays intact. And then Kelly pulls a Coach O and hires an awesome mind who has complete control to overhaul the offense. I have little faith it happens though.
Nothing depresses me more than seeing I have two quote replies in this thread and they are from Thoros and IHHH. Can't you two just communicate and share the same thought together?
You're my dude wick. It's just tiring to see the same people post the same boring ass bullshit. Countless posts blaming every coach, every coordinator, and never really saying "Ya know, there is maybe one or two offensive players onbthis roster that would make the two deep for any playoff team". I'm fine with dying on this hill, but by all means, let's bring in Matt Campbell. He's the missing piece. Three years ago the same fucking people were whining that Kelly always loses games he shouldn't. Now he doesn't. Then it was Kelly only wins 8 games a year. Now he wins more. Now it's Kelly can't win games that matter. It's annoying, and that comes from someone who won't lose a moment's sleep if Kelly bailed tomorrow. I really don't care what most of you think. I've met a bunch of you. You're passionate about ND football. Maybe too passionate in that you seem to think it's something that it's not. It must be exhausting to love something so much and do nothing but bitch and complain about it. Oh well, time to prepare to judge everything on a pointless bowl game. Good to know that if ND wins it means nothing, but if they lose you should fire everybody....
but he does it like a dissapointed mom does, because he loves you guys and wants you to think better, more optimistic thoughts
Lets just say that if i could switch to matt campbell, or better even matt rhule (although id worry about the nfl with him) id take it instantly
Alford, who left ND to work for Meyer under the promise that he would have an expanded role and boost his resume in order to get the CSU job he couldn't get last time, got passed over again because Urban Meyer, who was for some unknown reason involved in the CSU hiring process, advised them to hire Steve Addazio instead. Then within 24 hours of being hired Addazio announced he was hiring Urban Meyer's son in law as an assistant. I wonder how Alford feels about this.
I liked you guys better when you all whined that it was too hard to get into Notre Dame. Weird how that went away when ND started winning a few games, but those goalposts aren't going to move themselves.
Well the requirements have very obviously dropped considerably, so that excuse has become less substantial over time. Does it still exist? Sure. Does it mean ND can’t bring in top 10 classes on a regular basis? No.
Actually, wait a second, we have room to add an offensive coach, and Alford is probably doesn't feel like hanging around too many Urban disciples at the moment. There's got to be some combination of inflated title and salary that can make this happen.
Agreed, but how long before people turn on Rhule or Campbell for not making the playoffs or winning titles with all this talent? Two years? Three? Actually I would venture to guess they would win the se amount of games or less and the argument would be they need time. My point is the argument and excuse making won't change no matter who the coach is. I've watch this fanbase for over 40 years. They excel at excuse making.
Agreed. And Alabama, LSU, Ohio St and Clemson will bring in top 5 classes and be better. The only real outlier to my point is Oklahoma, who brings in top 10-15 classes and still makes the playoffs. Then again, let's see if that holds up when they have to start a recruited QB.
Didn't ND just make the playoffs 11 months ago? I remember the days when Thoros of Beer was whining for access to the ND Mainboard. Who vouched for him and allowed him to drag this to Rivals level posting?
ND doesn’t try to sign top 5 classes Kelly literally tells everyone this every year on national signing day. Kelly figured out how to recruit and build a roster at ND post 2012, it didn’t show up until 2015. Except the nightmare 2016 season this new recruiting style has had ND winning all the games it should. We all are disappointed with our results in prime time and Kelly’s insistence on hiring his friends. Recruiting is not the problem right now, we have the horses. The only issue in recruiting has been ND’s willingness under Kelly to settle for mediocre QB recruits and recently the same for RBs thinking the system will elevate them. I think Clemson showed that it can’t Kelly has once again adapted but it’s year 10, I don’t think he’ll be around to see the results of this change but I hope we can get to early signing day next year and get these kids here for the next guy.
Spoiler: .... Just traded messages with someone extremely close with 2020 Notre Dame WR commit Jordan Johnson. I asked if the four-star prospect would sign with Notre Dame on Wednesday and got this reply: "Yep. Dec. 18th around 11am."
Here are the 247 composite rankings for every starter this year. Offense QB (517) Book 3* RB (325) Jones 4* WR (172) Claypool 4* WR (215) Lenzy 4* WR (walk-on) Fink TE (83) Kmet 4* TE (490) Tremble 3* OT (26) Kraemer 5* OT (80) Eichenberg 4* C (369) Patterson 3* OG (84) Hainsley 4* OG (166) Banks 4* Defense DE (133) Hayes 4* DE (196) Kareem 4* DE (301) Okwara 4* DT (473) MTA 3* DT (520) Hinish 3* OLB (457) JOK 3* MLB (978) White 3* OLB (194) Bilal 4* CB (249) Pride 4* CB (434) Bracy 3* CB (112) Crawford 4* S (NR) Gilman S (476) Eliott 3* S (60) Hamilton 4* Have they really underachieved? I can't believe a team with 1 5* 14 4* 9 3* and 2 unrated players are only capable of winning 10 games a year. I will add that the conversation would be a lot different if Kelly could develop one of the higher ceiling QBs he has had. Wimbush ended up being bad, but if ND could sniff a talent the level of one the elite teams had, the conversation would be different. CFB is a QB play sport and Kelly consistently fails there.
The problem is they lost by so much against Michigan, which is probably pretty similar in terms of talent level. Same thing with the Miami loss a few years back. Take away those two losses - as well as maybe playing Clemson, Bama, and every other BCS bowl blowout to 10-14 points instead of 20+ - and things wouldn’t be so bad.
I was at that Miami game. They we're celebrating winning the division and honoring Ed Reed. They were beating almost anybody they played that night, and ND was overwhelmed. I got nothing for Michigan. It was putrid and if they had fired Kelly after that hang I would have said good
Anyone else see Stanford now has 11! players in the transfer portal and KJ Costello is also rumored to be gone too? Shaw says he isn't leaving and isn't making changes. Seems things are not right on the Farm and the program is in utter disarray. Excellent.
I think the current form of ND football is a helluva lot of good and a small bit of very alarming. Against teams with lesser talent... - We win at or very close to 100% of the time - We are one of maybe a handful of teams in the entire country that do this. It’s actually extremely noteworthy (though unfortunately becoming less so with the CFB Playoff) Against teams with similar talent... - 50% of the time we win - 50% of the time we get our doors blown off - This is a mixed bag Against teams with more talent... - 50% of the time we lose in heartbreaking fashion - 50% of the time we get our doors blown off - The latter seems to happen more so in the postseason, for whatever reason We’ve come a long ways since the days of Davie, Willingham, and Weis. We still have a ways to go though.
This is as stable as the program has been since Holtz from a wins perspective. That's essentially my issue here. The program has been meh since the mid 90s and now that they are having a little success, people are complaining it's not Clemson.
There's something shady going on there. They suspended and then fired their strength coach last year with no explanation and suspicious comments. I thought maybe it was related to the aunt becky scandal but there could be more.
Spoiler: From isd Just caught up with a source around the Stanford program to see why 11 players entered the transfer portal...and all being graduate transfers. I'm told David Shaw will be back and has made it known. He has also made it known there will be no staff changes and felt nothing was wrong with the program so expect his staff to remain intact. Could Shaw take an NFL job today? Sure, but those around the program except hin to be there in 2020. Now, there are some rumors those 11 players didn't get into grad school but I have confirmed that's untrue. Those players leaving have essentially lost faith in the program. This source also continues to believe QB KJ Costello will declare for the NFL, but a separate source believe he could end up doing a grad transfer but both highly doubt he's in a Stanford uniform in 2020. I'll leave you with this quote: "I think everything is gonna deteriorate to pre-Harbaugh levels quickly with a couple good years here and there."
It's like the mental bias that about 90% of people say they are an "above average driver", I think about 90% of college football fans think their team has a below average offensive line. Can you imagine what this place would be like if we had *one single game* that looked like how UVA's offensive line got railroaded by us in South Bend? And that was a 9 win team! Not saying our OL is perfect, and not saying I've been happy with Quinn, but I think some of you guys need to reassess what an average or below average OL looks like.
That’s true, guilty as charged. Just look at Georgia, they were supposed to be incredible and they were good but not that great. They had a few injuries though.
No one is complaining it's not Clemson. We don't have a good enough coach or recruiters to be Clemson. Coaches hit their ceiling. Once they do that and it isn't aligned with the Program's stated goals (not my own) then it's time to move on.