The Left: Robespierre did nothing wrong

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  1. Pile Driving Miss Daisy

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    Again, I'm going to probably give more weight to the people who live and experience some of the worst material conditions in the US than any other person (not you specifically) saying their thoughts are dumb. If the DNC listened to what these people actually wanted then we wouldn't have Trump.
     
  2. Truman

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    I fear we're going to get into a cycle where we're talking past each other. However, there's a big difference in dismissing their lived experience of the most damaging neocon and neo lib policies, their criticisms of it; and disagreeing with a few of their solutions to those problems. I think Ive been pretty clear Im not dismissive of the former. I do disagree w burning down the only power structure that offers a hope of reformation of the harmful policies and path forward to a labor friendly environment. The alternative is GOP controlled government and judiciary for generations.
     
  3. Pile Driving Miss Daisy

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    Yeah I'm not saying you have to agree with them on everything, but given the earlier discussion about J.D. Vance completely misrepresenting what these people actually want it's important to elevate their actual voices even if it's something you don't agree with.
     
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    This is amazing
     
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  5. Truman

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    For the history nerds out there w an interest in the constitution - Started this book last night. It's a great short read (so far) on the development of the amendments right after the civil war. It was clearly written as a response to Trumpism and gives insight to the thought process so all the orginalist can shove it up their asses. Especially wrt to immigrants. Later in this chapter the author discusses this in regards to Chinese immigrants and their children as well.

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  6. Shawn Hunter

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    Who is this Bingham person mentioned?
     
  7. Truman

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    He was a republican congressman that was one of the drafters of these amendments.
     
  8. Iron Mickey

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    are we doing reformist reforms in the left thread?
     
  9. Joe_Pesci

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    The final round trivia question tonight involved being given two countries and naming their single common neighbor. There were four such pairs, so 12 countries total. The United States had invaded, bombed, went to war with, and/or overthrew the government in like 8 of them

    Mexico and Honduras: Guatemala
    Israel and Libya: Egypt
    Chile and Uraguay: Argentina
    France and Portugal: Spain
     
  10. Prospector

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    Superdelegate advocating for brokered convention is a lobbyist who donated only to GOP this cycle

    dk

    WILLIAM OWEN, a Tennessee-based Democratic National Committee member backing an effort to use so-called superdelegates to select the party’s presidential nominee — potentially subverting the candidate with the most voter support — is a Republican donor and health care lobbyist.

    Owen, who runs a lobbying firm called Asset & Equity Corporations, donated to Sen. Mike Rounds, R-S.D., and Sen. Dan Sullivan, R-Alaska, and gave $8,500 to a joint fundraising committee designed to benefit Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky in 2019.

    “I am a committed Democrat but as a lobbyist, there are times when I need to have access to both sides and the way to get access quite often is to make campaign contributions,” said Owen, in a brief interview with The Intercept. — theintercept.com/...

    Those three paragraphs especially the quote at the end really says it all doesn’t it? As per FEC records Owen has only given to Republican candidates this cycle. He appears to have made no donations to any Democratic presidential candidate.

    Millions of ordinary Democrats will vote and caucus to help select a nominee. Activists will pour their hearts out working hundreds of hours organizing primary voters. And the DNC just hands over to this individual the power to wield the equivalent of 100,000 times the value of your vote. He is so secure in his position he is happy to tell journalists he makes campaign contributions to Mitch McConnell to gain access.

    This is the system we are dealing with.

    Owen was one of the superdelegates interviewed by NY Times this week about a brokered convention. A large number of the superdelegates interviewed said they would work to deny Bernie Sanders the nomination, even if he won more votes and pledged delegates than other candidates.

    It’s also worth noting that:

    Eliminating superdelegates had been a top priority for Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders in the wake of the 2016 primary. — www.npr.org/...

    As that quote makes clear, Senator Sanders’ objective was removing the influence of super delegates entirely. The DNC members (all superdelegates) didn’t want to lose this power, so they fought for a vote and got it, on the second ballot.

    In the last cycle over sixty superdelegates were lobbyists. The final list of super delegates hasn’t been published but that number will likely stay the same.

    So what should Sanders supporters do? There is only one answer. Work our tails off to win over 2000 pledged delegates, secure the nomination, control the DNC and end this undemocratic Superdelegate charade once and for all.

    — @subirgrewal
     
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  12. Lyrtch

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    this is what people miss about the whole discussion of freedom

    thats a life of freedom, what we have here is not that

    edit: and the above post says it better
     
  13. fucktx

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    well that's not very yass queen of rupaul now is it
     
  15. fucktx

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    who we putting our weight behind next?

    AOC would be great, just don’t think it happens

    guess give me lee carter
     
  16. BellottiBold

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    The first person who suggests they support making the GOP die in chains.
     
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  17. fucktx

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    feel like in the right political climate bernie would have done this tbh
     
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  18. timo

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    Lee Carter is a state delegate.
     
  19. fucktx

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    i know
     
  20. fucktx

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    pete was the mayor of fucking south bend
     
  21. Truman

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    There needs to be more than one person.

    Katie Porter, Pramilla Jayapal, Jamie Raskin, Shelia Jackson Lee, Ro Khanna ect.
     
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    i agree, i just think lee carter would actually have a shot

    not necessarily saying he’s the best but i do like him a lot

    white male, southern state, former marine

    plays well
     
  23. Truman

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    I hope Jason Kander can eventually get back into politics
     
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  25. Prospector

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    love to lick faces

    no kink shaming
     
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    Would be interesting to see how that plays out with my company and the work we do for them.
     
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  29. Joe_Pesci

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    Chomsky was on the Useful Idiots podcast from last week. Man he sounds rough
     
  30. Lyrtch

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    that he continues to maintain his robust media schedule, and legit answers his own public email account, is astonishing for a guy in his 90's
     
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  31. Joe_Pesci

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    he's definitely lost a step. there were a few times when he kind of just went into a stream of consciousness diatribe and i was like "why is he talking about this"

    i kind of hate when people talk about liking someone's work because they are "so smart," but it's too bad that the social media era came in so late in his life because if you watch stuff with him even from early 2000s he was still extremely sharp
     
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    straight up hope someone puts a couple fucking bullets in these motherfuckers' brains.
     
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    Cool cool world we live in
     
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  36. timo

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    meanwhile, things are going about as expected in Bolivia...
     
  37. Prospector

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    Democrats are using a data scientist’s secret sauce to flip Texas blue
    Taylor Hatmaker@tayhatmaker / 8:59 am CDT • March 12, 2020

    Image Credits: David Paul Morris/Bloomberg / Getty Images

    For a political campaign, it’s not enough to pull together an army of bright-eyed, venti-caffeinated canvassers—you’ve got to tell them which doors to knock on. In Texas, the Democratic party is spearheading a data experiment that, if it works, could turn an emerging battleground state’s electoral outlook indigo by doing just that.

    In other states, parties rely on imperfect national datasets to determine who might become a Democratic voter, a critical function that optimizes the valuable time volunteers and coordinators spend convincing would-be voters to show up to the polls. But for a state like Texas, the normal models don’t work very well—and in true Texas fashion, the Lone Star State is going its own way.

    Texas Democratic Party Targeting Director Hudson Cavanagh told TechCrunch that his small team of strategists will leverage a new home-brewed machine learning model to mobilize the new voters the party views as mission critical.

    “We’re working on registering literally millions of voters across the state,” Cavanagh said.

    Lauren Pully, the state party’s data and analytics director, began bringing together resources for a better way of targeting voters in 2018. Cavanagh was brought into the mix fresh out of a New York startup early last fall to build it out and by primary season, the pair had their own proprietary model ready to go.

    Known as the “Texas model,” the data science project blends insights on the state’s unique voter makeup with a machine learning algorithm that can learn as it goes. The model helps coordinators determine a given person’s likely partisanship, a critical piece of knowledge for allocating campaign resources.

    Powered by open source Python packages developed at Google and other machine learning hubs, the project eschews the normal path for state parties, which generally hire expensive outside data firms that come up with cookie cutter models trained on national datasets.

    “It’s kind of a data scientist’s dream,” Cavanagh told TechCrunch. “We build models and they’re immediately tested in fields all across the state.”

    According to Cavanagh, normal partisanship models aren’t flexible and can’t be retrained to keep up with changes to state voter files and new data collected by campaign workers. Instead, “We’re using Texas to predict Texas,” Cavanagh told TechCrunch. “And we’re already outperforming any of the national models.”

    From a voter registration standpoint, a few things make Texas unique (likely more if you ask a Texan). For one, the state holds an open primary, meaning that Texas voters can cast a vote in either party’s primary, but not both. That fact, coupled with a massive influx of people moving into the state presents a logistical challenge for the Texas Democratic Party as it tracks potential voters.

    Now in action, the Texas model has already flagged 600,000 additional potential Democratic voters, people the traditional off-the-shelf model missed. Party representatives believe that somewhere between two-thirds and three-quarters of the 600,000 are likely Democrats, many of them new Texas residents, young voters and people of color. The new model fits hand-in-glove with the Texas Democrats’ newly announced initiative to register 2.6 million new voters.

    “We think it’s going to be the X-factor turning Texas blue,” Abhi Rahman, communications director for the Texas Democrats, told TechCrunch.

    According to Hudson, the state’s campaign stakeholders are also on board, proud to have a uniquely Texan secret weapon in the quest for a blue Texas. Hudson they’ve shown “tremendous” level of engagement with the tool.

    In Texas, the Republican electoral base, which skews older and whiter, has not blossomed along with the state’s population numbers. For Democrats, that presents a uniquely Texas-sized opportunity—and one not far out of reach. In 2018, Texas Senator Ted Cruz narrowly survived a Democratic challenge from Beto O’Rourke, hanging on by a remarkable 215,000 votes.

    Once blood red, the state’s shifting demographics make Texas a glittering prize for Democrats eager to see their state run blue. For a scrappy machine learning experiment seeking to shift the Lone Star state’s political fortunes, the proof will be in the pudding later in 2020.
     
  38. Prospector

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    Why Republicans Are So Afraid of Vote-by-Mail
    Public health officials recommend absentee ballots to keep people safe. But President Trump and his party, without evidence, portray expanded voting measures as ripe for fraud.
    By Jim Rutenberg, Maggie Haberman and Nick Corasaniti
    Published April 8, 2020
    Updated April 9, 2020, 9:55 a.m. ET

    President Trump and his Republican allies are launching an aggressive strategy to fight what many of the administration’s own health officials view as one of the most effective ways to make voting safer amid the deadly spread of Covid-19: the expanded use of mail-in ballots.

    The scene Tuesday of Wisconsinites in masks and gloves gathering in long lines to vote, after Republicans sued to defeat extended, mail-in ballot deadlines, did not deter the president and top officials in his party. Republican leaders said they were pushing ahead to fight state-level statutes that could expand absentee balloting in Michigan, Minnesota, Arizona and elsewhere. In New Mexico, Republicans are battling an effort to go to a mail-in-only primary, and they vowed on Wednesday to fight a new move to expand postal balloting in Minnesota.

    The new political effort is clearly aimed at helping the president’s re-election prospects, as well as bolstering Republicans running further down the ballot. While his advisers tend to see the issue in more nuanced terms, Mr. Trump obviously views the issue in a stark, partisan way: He has complained that under Democratic plans for national expansion of early voting and voting by mail, “you’d never have a Republican elected in this country again.”

    At his daily news briefing on Wednesday, Mr. Trump said he believed vote-by-mail had been abused to hurt Republicans, and “I will not stand for it,” though he allowed that mail ballots could help some older voters — an important part of his voting base. It was a slight modulation that came at the urging of his advisers.

    He expanded on the idea on Twitter on Wednesday evening, calling absentee ballots “a great way to vote for the many senior citizens, military, and others who can’t get to the polls on Election Day.” He added that universal mail-in voting “shouldn’t be allowed!”

    In their efforts to fight expanding vote-by-mail, Republican officials are counting on a crucial and powerful ally: like-minded judges. This week, conservative majorities on the U.S. Supreme Court and the highest court in Wisconsin indicated they did not view the pandemic as cause to yield on ideology, issuing party-line rulings rejecting Democratic efforts to defer Tuesday’s vote or extend mail-in balloting.

    The decisions seemed to augur a hard road for Democrats in the looming court fights over how to proceed with voting in this crisis moment.

    “We know moving forward that we will face a hostile court, that’s not new,” said Tom Perez, the chairman of the Democratic National Committee. But he indicated that it was just the beginning of a prolonged fight. “What they have done is invited further litigation, because they literally, quite literally, disenfranchised voters who had relied in good faith on the court.”

    Ronna McDaniel, the Republican Party chairwoman, argued in an interview on Fox Business that the Democrats “want to take away the safeguards that ensure the integrity of the election process,” accusing them of trying to force “election reforms across the country during a time of crisis.”

    The push to limit voting options is in keeping with Republicans’ decades-running campaign to impose restrictions that disproportionately affect people of color, the poor, and younger voters, under the banner of combating voter fraud — which is exceedingly rare. Democrats have more core constituencies among the nation’s disenfranchised, and both parties have long believed that easier voting measures will benefit Democrats.

    But the current public health crisis brings new urgency to the battle, as Democrats and some Republican state officials turn to expanded voting by mail as an important way to avoid the serious health hazard of crowded polling stations amid a pandemic.

    In a pre-coronavirus world, Republicans found that the specter of voter fraud and the need for tighter voter restrictions were popular messages with segments of their base. If there was a chance that the political equation might change with the pandemic, Mr. Trump and his allies have not seemed concerned.

    The president has embraced some of the most outlandishly false claims about voter fraud, at times proclaiming that the popular vote in the 2016 election — which he lost — was “rigged.” He has long impugned voting by mail, which, while more vulnerable to fraud than in-person voting, has proved overwhelmingly secure in states with mail-in elections, including Colorado and Washington State. (Mr. Trump had formed a special commission to investigate voter fraud in 2016 but it produced no evidence before he shut it down in 2018.) Even so, he applied for his own mail-in ballot in Florida in March.

    He has remained consistent in his opposition to mail-in voting throughout the coronavirus crisis, even as his lead health agency in the pandemic, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, lists postal balloting as its first recommendation to reduce crowd size at polling stations.

    Mr. Trump has also argued against the second C.D.C. recommendation, encouraging early voting periods, saying they were “not the greatest because a lot of things happen.”

    Advisers to Mr. Trump say that he has been set off by Democratic efforts, led by Speaker Nancy Pelosi, to include more aggressive efforts to promote absentee voting in a version of the coronavirus relief legislative package, which the Republican National Committee has equated with a “one-size-fits-all” approach that infringed upon states’ rights.

    “States should maintain primary responsibility for their voting laws, making changes where necessary and utilizing flexibility within their existing laws,” said Justin Clark, the senior counsel to the Trump campaign.

    Perhaps wary of the politics of taking an absolutist position amid the pandemic, and aware that absentee ballots can also be a preferred form of voting for some of Mr. Trump’s supporters, advisers to the president said that he would adapt his position in the coming days — like his nod to older voters on Wednesday — to acknowledge that absentee voting is acceptable, but that it must conform to the laws passed by specific states.

    In practice in Wisconsin, Mr. Trump’s position led to a clear, partisan advantage for the state Republicans, who had appeared to brazenly trade public health for the political gain of lower turnout in Democratic bastions like Milwaukee.

    Though results will not be released until April 13, simple turnout numbers in Milwaukee indicate that the Republican gambit worked. The city, which in 2016 had more than 167,000 people cast their ballots during the spring elections, most likely saw less than half that on Tuesday: Only 18,803 voted in person, and another 56,000 or so returned their absentee ballots. Though some may still be in transit, it is unlikely that Milwaukee, a Democratic stronghold in the state, will come close to matching its 2016 numbers.

    Mr. Trump narrowly won Wisconsin in 2016, and both parties view the state as pivotal in 2020 — “the tipping point state,” Mr. Perez has called it.

    The president followed Tuesday’s election closely, going so far as to weigh in several times to urge voters to support the State Supreme Court justice Daniel Kelly, an extraordinary, down-ballot focus for a sitting president.

    Mr. Trump has taken such a keen interest in the race, advisers said, in part because Senator Ron Johnson of Wisconsin had spoken to him several times about the significance of such local campaigns — and because it represents a distraction from the grimness of the coronavirus that has gripped the country.

    But Mr. Kelly is also among the five conservative justices on the seven-member State Supreme Court, and his re-election would preserve that comfortable balance for Republicans as legal wrangling over voting continues. The low turnout was viewed as a boon for his prospects to stay on the court.

    “Nothing that Republicans do in Wisconsin is not part of the Trump campaign’s re-election strategy,” said Ben Wikler, the chairman of the Democratic Party of Wisconsin.

    For both parties, the battle began before the election Tuesday, and before the coronavirus froze the 2020 campaign. Mr. Perez, the D.N.C. chairman, established a voter protection program last year, one of his “four categories” of party infrastructure, and has put “voter protection directors” on the ground in 17 states.

    The D.N.C. is also involved in lawsuits across the country, ranging from ballot placement issues in Georgia, Arizona and Texas to a delay in changing election procedure in Kansas. In Arizona, the D.N.C. won a case overturning a law that prevented voters from delivering the ballots of their neighbors, a process derisively known as “ballot harvesting.”

    Ballot collection is also a key part of litigation that the Democratic super PAC Priorities USA has brought in Michigan, where it is fighting restrictions on submitting ballots on behalf of others. Aneesa McMillan, a spokeswoman for the group’s voting initiative, said that the provision could take on added significance as more Americans become homebound and infirm.

    Republicans were highly focused on stopping Democrats from loosening such restrictions, which they have portrayed as a Democratic ruse to inflate voting tallies. As Mr. Trump put it Wednesday night, “thousands gathered and they come in and dump the location and you lose elections.”

    In New Mexico, the national party was assisting its local arm in suing to block a statewide postal ballot. And, on Wednesday, the Minnesota Republican Party chair, Jennifer Carnahan, indicated she would fight a proposal by Secretary of State Steve Simon, a Democrat, to move to expand postal balloting, calling it a “power play by Simon to steal the free and fair election process of our state and country.”

    For their part, public health officials were urging Republicans to drop their resistance to measures that could protect the electorate.

    The David Geffen School of Medicine at U.C.L.A. has joined with the school’s Voting Rights Project to call for “universal vote by mail.”

    “Everything is about minimizing risk and minimizing exposure,” said Jennifer Kates, director of global health and H.I.V. policy at the Kaiser Family Foundation. “Sending people to go vote in person is really the opposite of that.”

    She added, “This is bigger than politics.”

    Jim Rutenberg is a writer-at-large for The Times and the Sunday magazine. He was previously the media columnist, a White House reporter and a national political correspondent. He was part of the team that won the Pulitzer Prize for Public Service in 2018 for exposing sexual harassment and abuse. @jimrutenberg

    Maggie Haberman is a White House correspondent. She joined The Times in 2015 as a campaign correspondent and was part of a team that won a Pulitzer Prize in 2018 for reporting on President Trump’s advisers and their connections to Russia. @maggieNYT

    Nick Corasaniti covers national politics. He was one of the lead reporters covering Donald Trump's campaign for president in 2016 and has been writing about presidential, congressional, gubernatorial and mayoral campaigns for The Times since 2011. @NYTnickc • Facebook
     
  39. Pile Driving Miss Daisy

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    The latest Trillbillies episode with the black pill/realignment leftist movement analysis that I needed.
     
  40. Truman

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    I had you in mind when I was listening yesterday. That was as down as Ive heard them since I started listening a few months ago. I dont think they said anything that enlightening. And I absolutely disagree about not bothering to run in senate and gov races.
     
  41. Pile Driving Miss Daisy

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    Cool, maybe some of us are getting more dissollusioned with the state of this country and its rejection of what everyone under the age of 40 more or less agrees on. It's not like everyone has to operate by the rules that are dictated to us. Appreciate you immediately replying with criticism, I figured you would.
     
  42. Truman

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    Sorry for discussing a topic you brought up.
     
  43. Pile Driving Miss Daisy

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    I think you seemingly are either ignoring the difference between liberalism and leftism, or you're listening to a podcast where you don't agree with the hosts on their views. It's confusing either way and you seem annoyed that people aren't going to buy into your worldview that this country can be changed through normal means. That doesn't mean we're checking out, but we are very much struggling to see a United States that treats its working class and most vulnerable with the respect and dignity that they deserve before the end of our generation.
     
  44. Lyrtch

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    like i get the black pill pull but it's too defeatist and ignores the actual good that can be done on the margins even within the framework of elections
     
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