CoronaVirus Disease (COVID-19) Thread : Fuck em, should’ve gotten vaccinated

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  1. xec

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  2. HatterasJack

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    Seems like several states have decided to change their reporting models. This article suggests that about 25% of people who died while having Covid died of something else. Which seems preposterous. Or perhaps people in Colorado with Covid are some of the un-luckiest fuckers in the world. Can someone explain how they are coming up with these numbers?
     
  3. Mister Me Too

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    This is deceiving because the US has outsourced the dying in combat to brown people, so the number of people that have died fighting for the US in wars started by the US are much higher than the figures being used.


    I’m in no way downplaying the impact of COVID-19, just pointing out that the US is still spending trillions to kill brown people abroad while claiming poverty when it comes to helping Americans.
     
  4. Prospector

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    I didn't want to know. brb
     
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  5. Name P. Redacted

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    My maga anti-vax cousin has a lot of Young Living Gold Leader #163828 stay at home mom types that like his Qanon posts, if that gives you any hint.
     
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    I have to imagine a lot of online sellers saw sales improve with more people at home and shopping online. Getting rid of leases to save money is the new Moneyball.
     
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  8. xec

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    There were no details on how they decide a death is ‘directly due to COVID’ or if it is ‘due to something else but COVID was present’. It might be that previously they were only reporting ‘deaths directly due to COVID’ but have added the other category to more fully illustrate the COVID related mortality.
     
  9. Prospector

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    FDA halts Bill Gates coronavirus testing program
    BY TAL AXELROD - 05/15/20 10:20 PM EDT 15by

    The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) halted a coronavirus testing program promoted by billionaire Bill Gates and Seattle health officials pending reviews.

    The program sought to send test kits to the homes of people both healthy and sick to try to bring the country to the level of testing officials say is necessary before states can begin safely reopening. The program, which had already gone through thousands of tests, found dozens of cases that had been previously undiagnosed.

    The Seattle Coronavirus Assessment Network (SCAN) said on its website that the FDA had asked it to pause testing while it receives additional authorizations, but maintained its procedures are safe

    “[T]he Food & Drug Administration (FDA) recently clarified its guidance for home-based, self-collected samples to test for COVID-19. We have been notified that a separate federal emergency use authorization (EUA)
    is required to return results for self-collected tests," the program said. "The FDA has not raised any concerns regarding the safety and accuracy of SCAN’s test, but we have been asked to pause testing until we receive that additional authorization."

    The pause is emblematic of the fractured national response to the coronavirus, with federal officials proposing guidelines but leaving much of the implementation and administering of tests to states and localities.

    Concerns have recently arisen over the reliability of coronavirus antibody tests, which can gauge if someone previously had the illness. However, the SCAN tests do not test for antibodies, and the program said it is working to get back up and running.

    “We are actively working to address their questions and resume testing as soon as possible,” the program said.

    Gates, the billionaire founder of Microsoft who has dedicated much of his personal fortune to global health issues, said the program could be an effective tool in guiding public health responses.

    “Not only will it help improve our understanding of the outbreak in Seattle, it will also provide valuable information about the virus for other communities around the world,” Gates wrote in a blog post this week.

    An FDA spokesperson told The New York Times, which was the first to report on the pause, that the home testing kits raised concerns over safety and accuracy of the results.

    while the other hand:
    VA says it won’t stop use of unproven drug on vets
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    Would be great if we had this figured out after 3 months of living with this. Instead we have 50 states doing their own thing with no transparency
     
  11. Henry Blake

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    Sincerely hope he didn't give her CV.
     
  12. xec

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    Yep. She’s protecting him. He is doing nothing for her.
     
  13. xec

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    I believe the only way this gets fixed is a new Administration.
     
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  14. THF

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    The VA is probably doing it with mild cases. It has shown effectiveness in some early studies.

    https://www.preprints.org/manuscript/202005.0057/v2


    Early Hydroxychloroquine Is Associated with an Increase of Survival in COVID-19 Patients: An Observational Study
     
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    Biden is meh but this ad is great

     
  16. tjsblue

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    Wear a hat before you get there?
     
  17. fucktx

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    holy fuck texas slid under the radar with 2000+ cases yesterday

    i think the previous high was like 1600

    outlook = grim
     
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  19. xec

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    I found this in the comments section of that pre-printed study. It doesn’t sound very promising:

    “Clinically, it's very significant, as I already explained, and that's what matters. You should present the D-dimer values as a dichotomous-numerical or categorical variable (physiological/pathological as per the study I referred to). You should then get a very significant p value.

    Furthermore, the no-HCQ group also had significantly more cardiopathy, dementia and - as the text tells but not the table - lymphopenia. So, the no-HCQ group probably just was a lot sicker than the HCQ group. Which invalidates your conclusion.

    As a former editor-in-chief, I'd suggest withdrawing this paper. In stead, I'd write one on your remarkable finding that the patients with severe covid had a shorter time from symptom onset than the patients with mild/moderate. I'd do some more research on what could have caused that, including prior use of medication and whether symptom onset was really symptom onset.

    That will eventually produce a much more productive article. This one will only generate a stack of letters to the editor, and it will be ignored in any review.”
     
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    Someone should have calculated the odds of the site dying before they put it online.
     
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  21. pratyk

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    Ionnidis. Like fucking clockwork.
     
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  22. THF

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    You may be correct in your thinking. Currently I believe there are about 140 clinical studies going on at the moment related to HQC and Covid. Hopefully we get some solid data soon.

    Additionally this study was actually the one I was searching for.

    https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.27.20073379v1

    I do have some concerns about the lack of COPD found in the patients which received the HQC but it does look like a decent selection.
     
  23. HowdyHorns

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    I thought nacho daddy was a euphemism for Trump. Learned something new today.
     
  24. Jax Teller

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    Wait what did I miss?
     
  25. Jax Teller

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    Went to the grocery store for the first time since TN started opening back up today. I was a little worried when I pulled into Publix because it was packed. But other than a couple trashy people, everyone was wearing masks, for the most part people were paying attention to the one way aisles, social distancing, etc. I was actually pretty impressed.
    Went literally right across the street to Academy sports to get some golf balls. Of course it was packed as well. And I was probably the only person wearing a mask in the whole damn store. The customers weren't, the employees weren't. No one was distancing, only one cash register had plexiglass up. It was insane and just reinforced my belief that we are screwed and most people suck.
     
  26. RonBurgundy

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    COVID causes blood clots, heart attacks, and strokes. It is appropriate to say COVID is the cause of their death. It is also appropriate to say the heart attack/stroke/Pulmonary embolism killed them. We report secondary/related disease contributing to deaths on death certificates. Like how we associate diabetes with atherosclerosis/coronary artery disease with heart attacks.

    This isn't new, its just people care about the numbers and policies are being made by them so there's more attention on the process.
     
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  29. Blu Tang Clan

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    Nm
     
  30. Daniel Ocean

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  31. Jimmy the Saint

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  32. Daniel Ocean

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  33. Jimmy the Saint

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    Yep, by what means do you want your power?

    One is just less gross and might benefit people.
     
  34. Daniel Ocean

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  35. Hoss Bonaventure

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    My parents told me my 80 yr old grandfather went to Walmart for the first time since all this happened last week. Wore a mask and gloves and yelled at another old man who wasn’t paying attention to the social distancing marks on the floor and for not wearing a mask. He’s my hero.
     
  36. Jimmy the Saint

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    My granddad is about the same age and just waits in the car. He’s about as high risk as it gets. They went to a restaurant on Mother’s Day because Florida :facepalm:
     
  37. Jax Teller

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    If more people were like that we'd be in a better spot for sure.

    Speaking of old men, my dad went and played golf yesterday. Still has an IV in his arm for two more weeks and he's out playing golf. I don't go play if my knee is sore lol. He's a tough son of a gun.
     
  38. Bruce Wayne

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    I missed the interview but the dr also say they can jump higher because they have an extra calf muscle?

     
  39. Lawnole23

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    It’s not any safer it’s the product their selling that’s the difference. T-shirts aren’t an essential item. Sucks but that’s just got it goes
     
  40. Jigga

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  41. London Humphreys

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    I live in Florida we don’t suffer such tyranny. No shirt? No shoes? Bag of coke? Hogan’s Beach gives you a hug on the way in.
     
  43. Hoss Bonaventure

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    Those are some big ass stores. Currently trying to navigate my parents and in-laws into Houston from Arkansas. They found a clinic in Mena (yes that Mena) that does tests. It’s apparently one of the only ones in the area you can get tested with no symptoms so they can come down for our son’s birth. Told them to stay out of Dallas and wear masks and gloves if they have to piss. Luckily my parents are germaphobes to begin with. My father hates gas pumps as he sees them as unsanitary as port a potties.
     
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  44. Beeds07

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    Had a talk with a guy last night that handles the way the digital reporting is handled in Indiana. Said people getting totals have zero idea if any of these numbers are correct and that there is also no way to figure it out. All of the data coming in are guesses and estimates and pretty much always wrong.

    Say the way the reporting model is set up, there is no way to know if it's ever been right or if it's fixable. It's that way across the country.

    We're fucked.
     
  45. pperc

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    The bigger risk is you giving it to your parents after you’ve spent time in the hospital. Just FYI.
     
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  46. gordon bombay

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    HD/Lowe's should be curbside only, iyam. Walmart/target only the grocery areas opened with strict limits otherwise curbside pickup. Feel like we would be in a much better place if these things were put in place but these are probably minor complaints compared to the gross neglect occurring.
     
  47. Hoss Bonaventure

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    Children’s hospital. We have to get tested as well. We will only be in the birthing room and our suite. That’s it.
     
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