Wow: Earlier this week, Ohio State athletic director Gene Smith said his department has modeled for crowds ranging from 20,000-50,000 at the nearly 105,000-seat Ohio Stadium based on current and possible changes to CDC physical-distancing guidelines. #Ohio State Buckeyes https://www.oregonlive.com/collegef...f-progress-continues-against-coronavirus.html
is this where we point out due to financial incentives most colleges are operating under the "sports have to happen" framework and no sports isn't an option until people are dying and theres news reports of "OSU game led to 6,000 new cases" and it all shifts again i dont think even people on the conservative end of the CFB discussion are under the illusion many schools won't try
theres definitely a lot of steps but schools also have to make preparations and plan as if there’s going to be somewhere between zero and a full stadium. There are plans that have to be implemented and approved.
People are going die if we play football. That seems to get glossed over and gives the impression people don't care... Which seems to be true at this point. I guess I can't really grasp that for the sake of sports
We're blowing past 100,000 deaths with no nat'l (or state in some cases) plan to address it this fall. I could see coaches/players dying and the schools pressing ahead with cfb.
So I ask again, have you always considered them employees in that argument? Or does this change it? In order for their classification to change, something about what they are doing has to change. Is that the case? No. Nothing about them has changed. What these people are doing is the exact same in this hypothetical. The only difference is others aren’t allowed.
To Lyrtch 's point (which I agree with), an older coach dying during the season feels like an inevitability. He'll be lauded as a hero and get the 21 gun salute, people will move on. What would cause mass hysteria is if Ohio went up in flames and it all got traced back to an OSU game
I’ve seen both arguments as valid in the past. If schools ban students from campus and have football players come back to broadcast their games, the student athlete argument is done forever. A line will clearly have been drawn to show that they aren’t students that happen to play sports - they’re employees.
Ok. Agree to disagree until something about them changes. Until that happens, a line showing they are MORE privileged than a regular student is the only one being drawn.
Imo, a lot revolves around what the ground rules are. Can a player choose not to play and be free of any repercussions? That's a big one.
That’s the hope and plan as of now for most schools, yes. But I can say for certain that most schools are also preparing for scenarios where students aren’t here for the full semester
Put your love of Donald Trump aside. Do you think that a school president or athletic director saying we are going to have in-person instruction is, ipso facto, evidence of it being the right decision? These guys make a mess of shit left and right. Profit-motivated school administrators have zero expertise in dealing with a public health crises. Also, Gordon Gee is a fucking clown. An imbecile of a man. Has been for two + decades. Him saying "Lets play Ball" means jack shit to me insofar as answering 'Is this an Okay and Medically-sound thing to do'. So, yeah, they are announcing 25k at games....is that the Right thing to do?
Yes, pro sports are planning fanless games and we’re going to trust college sports to figure it out with fans!
I don't put much stock in ADs saying anything now. There have been people saying every step of the way that they intend to be back to business as usual by date x, only for that to be pushed back. We didn't know we weren't having spring practice until right before it was set to start and it happened suddenly. They're going to say there will be sports in the fall whether they believe it or not imo. The Michigan AD is one of the few I've seen speak more candidly. I mean I don't doubt that some intend to power through and are ready to pay the costs but I don't think some are being 100% truthful in these statements
To a degree its their job duty. What other position can they advocate? At best, they stand to lose millions...at worst, their own jobs cease to exist.
same thing for people putting stock in plans that are being worked over to accommodate the possibility of fans showing up, I'd hope plans are being developed for any number of contingencies
Schlissel is Michigan’s president and an MD/PhD whose research “focused on the developmental biology of B lymphocytes, the cell type in the immune system that secretes antibodies.“ So, probably a guy better suited to assess this particular academic crisis than most others.
But making such a clear demarcation between them and regular students by policy absolutely would be. It also knocks the legs out from every argument they’ve ever used in court to prevent players from being classified “employees.”
I think you would be shocked at how weak the courts would find your argument. It lack the logic needed to be compelling .
Percentage of student + faculty/staff that get it...10-15% maybe? An outbreak at a liberal arts school that has 2k students is going to look different than an outbreak at a OSU that has 100k students + staff
Some will be asked to, yes. At the least, many campuses will ask students and parents to acknowledge them at they understand the risks and some students will be asked to sign a contract saying they will abide by CDC best practices.
I mean I guess its common to have assumption of the risk waivers, but it seems unconscionable to have a young adult waive away their life. I cant imagine the suits for a debilitating respiratory condition. At least the charade of being Pro-Life is off the table going forward.
Do you have a connection to a campus? Some want to be back but big percentages of undergrads, grads, faculty and staff have said they don’t feel comfortable being on campus this fall. Are you in one of those groups or just saying what your preference those people do is?
Site on big percentages not not wanting to wanting to come back? Not being combative. Legitimately interested for professional reasons.
Anecdotal. I work at UofSC and was told in a meeting the faculty number was 27%. No idea about student percentages but vocal groups of undergrads and grad students have said they don’t “feel comfortable” being on campus this fall. We have online orientation, library services and classes where you can stay totally away if you want
never REALLY shut down for starters but then team start and stop restrictions as outbreaks happen to manage it or?
Do you guys who work at universities get the sense that they're going to have a bailout plan? If things deteriorate, can students easily finish the semester online?
friends at a couple schools say they have all online plans set up so transitioning to it IF they attempt to have students on site will be relatively easy
Like cfb, there are just so many things that go into kids on campus. Cafeterias, dorms, library, etc. For students who had to bail in March, seems like there would be some reluctance to go through that again.