I see the first study doesn’t include anyone under the age of 33 years old. The second study has a median age of 42. The last study is showing the results of five cases. Am I correct on this? Am I missing something? Maybe I should have been more specific when talking about college aged individuals. Is there any evidence of large scale long term issues in college aged individuals. It would seem to me if this were something being seen on a large scale we would see several studies on the long term effects the damage is causing on this demographic. I just don’t see it.
This is ridiculous. There is no long term evidence because this virus hasn't been around long enough to have caused long term damage. So we don't know, which is why you shouldn't gloss over that point. We don't have evidence that young people are safe yet (to say nothing of the importance of protecting people who aren't young who might be affected by moving forward with mass gatherings).
So if we don’t know if there is a problem; why are you so concerned about something which hasn’t been observed? You and I agree that we don’t have evidence that younger people are safe and we also don’t have evidence that younger people are at any risk from long term damage. So I am confused as to why you brought this up? Why bring up a problem that doesnt apparently exist? Tobias even seemed to indicate this was scientifically proven and I am confused as to where the evidence of this risk is.
we know you hate science but most of us think we should still be on lockdown so you’re arguing with people who not only think the idea of amateur sports right now is very stupid
I literally posted evidence of people outside the elderly and folks with co-morbidities having significant health issues related to COVID. You have hand waived those away because of reasons, apparently.
Does this “lockdown behavior” you are such an advocate for include going home to visit the folks? That doesn’t seem very social distancing of you.
comparing going to see my family because my grandpa has cancer and my grandma had a stroke, and no one else in my family helps them to a team of players playing college football isn’t the best way to go about thing. i stopped by to see my dad (not his parents fyi) while i was there. not like that’s any of your business either
I have waived those because they are like a straw man argument. We aren’t talking about the risks to middle aged people, there are several other threads where we can discuss those risks. This thread was about the safety and feasibility of athletes playing. We are having a discussion about the risks to college aged players and you come in talking about risks which haven’t been observed in that demographic. I am curious why even bring it up unless it’s been observed in patients of that age group?
I just saw it and reminded me as you decided to talk down about how much you supported the “lockdown” while going on a trip to see the family. Not very “lockdownish”. But again sorry for digging deep into your personal life by *checks notes* reading a sports message board...
yeah, how dare me go help my family for 2 days. i’ve spent 10 weeks completely alone outside of that. how about yourself?
Dude, we know so little definitively about COVID that it's almost impossible to make any concrete statements. There have been a shitload of reports of all kinds of shit among all kinds of groups of people. https://www.npr.org/sections/health...e-in-kids-and-teens-likely-linked-to-covid-19 https://www.nytimes.com/article/kawasaki-disease-coronavirus-children.html Could affect male fertility: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.21.20037267v2 Another one: https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/05/200511142153.htm Children face risk for severe complications and death from COVID-19 Around 20% of those admitted had no known chronic illnesses.
Well maybe these players have been stuck at home all by themselves and really miss football. I mean that seems to be a good enough excuse for you, so why not them? I have done a pretty damn good job isolating but again I am not the one here on a soapbox talking about the “need for a lockdown”. You sound like the Governor of Michigan telling everyone to stay home while planning her vacation.
How about we concern ourselves with what the evidence is showing? We seem to have around 50,000 people under the age of 17 who have tested positive for Covid19. Have any of them shown evidence of long term lung damage? If those cases are not showing degraded lung performance or other long term health risks (and I have not seen any cases showing that) than I would tend to say it’s probably not a large scale issue we need to worry about. Do you disagree?
Again handwaiving evidence. I do disagree. How can one show long term health risks in the short term?
It’s a lot like when you warned everyone how serious this disease was and then gave a glowing recommendation of the restaurant you went to dinner at right before the lockdown bc as you said “there weren’t a lot of cases in your area yet” lol. Do as I say, not as I do.
It’s been like four months dude. Like ten years ago it took a month just to get a Lost season 1 DVD from Amazon.
Wait is this some sort of unwritten rule violation? You might want to let Lyrtch know as he has tons of screenshots sitting on imgur he loves to bring up when he has a chance.
I am not a doctor but I would think if this virus were doing irreparable damage to college aged individuals; we would see it now. I highly doubt this disease is like a time bomb waiting a year to two to start seeing the damage. In most cases where we are seeing any long term effects; it’s in cases where it’s become a severe reaction to the disease. In the younger demographics; it’s an even smaller percentage that are having a severe reaction.
For the record I consider long term effects to be any condition or effects seen once the patient has “recovered” from the virus.
just for clarity, my state had ~10 cases and 0 deaths at that point. i also had more information about the potential local cases than most. this was weeks before shelter in place was initiated. we had 60 deaths in the entire country at that point so lets not get dramatic here to defend your little chud meltdowns by busting out the word doc
Shouldn’t you be wanting to wait a bit longer before claiming victory since only 1/4 of covid victims have recovered in the US? Do you understand that these studies, especially large scale, take a lot of time before data is published?
What evidence? You have provided evidence of older demographics showing long term damage from the virus. In some cases in a very small number of people. I have been asking for evidence of long term damage in demographics which will be playing college football this fall potentially on a large scale. If ten people out of 50,000 develop long term issues; is that enough to cancel the season? What if we find out there are ways to test for this additional risk to rule the ineligible for playing? Let’s quit moving the goal posts and this straw man exercise you are playing and let’s talk about what is being seen in actual cases.
Claiming victory? Who is claiming victory? Electronic, Redav, and Tobias all claimed that the long term health effects were totally being ignored by those of us who see an option to play sports this fall. They claimed we were being irresponsible by ignoring this obvious risk. I simply asked to see evidence of this risk. I have asked several times for this very serious evidence of players health being put in jeopardy by agreeing to play sports. So far I haven’t seen much concrete serious evidence. I believe with the sheer number of cases seen in the US alone, we should have some sort of data around what after effects this virus creates. If we don’t have any at this point; I struggle to believe it’s going to magically start killing college aged kids months after they recover.
Don’t want to put words in his mouth but pretty sure RonBurgundy said there are outliers like these that happen with lots of illnesses and it’s not unique to covid
Those are incredibly rare cases and already happen at baseline with a host of other viruses. It is really devastating when it happens and has devastating long term impact on a kids health, but thankfully the cases are very, very rare.
So there’s big concerns about the fact some March infections still haven’t normalized their taste of smell and/or taste - but the overwhelming super majority regain all. with the uuuuuber sick ICU/organ failure but surviving, those cases obviously have a long road to recovery. some concerns about the severe cases and maybe lung issues/fibrosis/DLCO long term issues? (weak though). otherwise most everyone is completely normal after recovery. My n= 30-40 Covid positives I’ve dealt with have all made full recovery. My partner is in charge of our whole organization’s Covid hotline/pathway team with n=1000s and overall full recovery is very, very high like you’d expect with most viruses. but, the correct answer is “we really don’t know yet”.
Well if we don't know to what extent this causes lifelong complications the thing to do is to fire up college football because maybe it will all be ok. I mean fuck em
We don't know if this has long lasting effects so we should probably throw these people to the wolves so they can play a game for my amusement.