Jefferson "Our poorest citizens, our farmers, live ration to ration, As Wall Street robs 'em blind in search of chips to cash in" I took that line as referencing that...as well as Hamilton founding Wall Street in NYC and the financial system.
LOL, did you miss the last line in my post? It is a good thing. Now, should the economic system be adjusted now due to changes in our culture and really, the world's culture? Maybe, sure. But I think you are a bit foolish if you don't think that we benefited from this system over our history, even if every citizen didn't benefit proportionately.
Ah, good point. That probably was written in relation to the War Bonds. Wish he had written about it from Hamilton's point of view. But as others have mentioned in this thread, the play is really written so that Jefferson, Burr, and others shine, more than Hamilton.
I mean, sure. But setting precedent to do that at the very beginning of our nation's history would have been much, much worse.
Fair enough. And I have friends who are further Left who are angry about "the swamps in DC and Wall Street" that Hamilton's system created. But I think it's silly to blame him for that, as opposed to human nature. His ideas made us a very powerful and prosperous country. Then humans screwed it all up.
A couple months ago I was watching the HBO show about John Adams. Was a pretty good show and pretty funny to see how Hamilton is portrayed in that vs how he is portrayed in this.
Counter-argument: the least vocally talented person being the one that masterminded the play actually works perfectly in the scope of the characters. Hamilton has no business among the people he socializes with but made it not on the class he was born into, but on his genius and hard work. LMM and the people that oversaw the casting use the original castings to convey underlying stories and current themes quite a bit. The King and Farmer being the only white people in the play being the most glaring.
My dad swears Burr challenged Hamilton to a duel because Hamilton spread a rumor that Burr had a sexual relationship with his daughter, Theodoshia. No idea if that's true.
Not sure if that happened (either the rumor or Hamilton spreading it), but I think it was more about Hamilton backing Jefferson in the third Presidential election. That Hamilton would back his sworn enemy (probably correctly, frankly) over Burr cut deeply.
I learned Theodosia died in a shipwreck in her 20’s and all of Burr’s writing about the time period was on the ship with her
Yeah, once you start looking into how this actually went down, it’s not like the play makes it out to be, of course. He didn’t just offer his support for Jefferson, he made considerable effort in the House to swing them behind Jefferson.
If you’re into history podcasts, there is a “Stuff you didn’t learn in history class” episode about Theodosia. It talks about the ship wreck and the fact that Burr was pretty much in love with his daughter and many thought that they may have had an incestuous relationship. https://podtail.com/en/podcast/stuf...sterious-disappearance-of-theodosia-burr-als/
I actually don’t either but still, that song is amazing. I have nieces and nephews and I still want to make the world a good place for them
I always really like the line "come of age with our young nation" Like, growing up with America would have been pretty cool.
Alas last thought it every time i watch Hamilton I just end up in a rage by the end as I think of how precarious our beginnings were and the boomers willingness to give the whole thing to a orange clown
Also, Daveed's Rap in "Guns in Ships" is fucking ridiculous and he does it with a French accent, as far as my cursory research has shown, Lafayette deserves better than all the shitty southern towns named after him. There's also this. "During France's July Revolution of 1830, he declined an offer to become the French dictator.", " He died on 20 May 1834 and is buried in Picpus Cemetery in Paris, under soil from Bunker Hill." Just a formidable human being. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilbert_du_Motier,_Marquis_de_Lafayette
Named a son Georges Washington. had this as a full name: Marie-Joseph Paul Yves Roch Gilbert du Motier de La Fayette And this as a nickname: The Hero of the Two Worlds (Le Héros des Deux Mondes) Total badass.
As for Daveed, he’s fun to get into a youtube hole of rap videos. Also have a couple tracks of his from A Night In Chicago on my playlist.
I fucking love history so much, Hamilton scratches so many itches for me, also think it is just a incredible work of art Really makes me realize how dumb the fucking boomers were for raising us to think of the French as cowards, you read a couple books and pay attention in 11th grade and you're like what the fuck are you talking about. All because the greatest trained/most technologically advanced military of all time (fucking Nazis) beat them with a new strategy in WWII. They resisted the whole time and are probably still are underrated as a world power.