Bad Police Thread - where calling the police is a gamble

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  1. Illinihockey

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    they didn’t break in, they were serving a search warrant. If you want to say no knock warrants should be outlawed im right there with you but these cops didn’t unilaterally break into someone’s house. If they had, then it changes everything
     
  2. electronic

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    Yes, I believe that the castle doctrine and the stand your ground laws allow homeowners to protect themselves against negligent cops. Are there caveats that I'm not aware of?
     
  3. Illinihockey

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    they didn't go to the wrong house and they had a no knock warrant although reportedly they did knock. Cops showed up to serve a search warrant, banged on the door, Glover and Taylor got out of bed and went to the hallway, as they approached the door it was breached, Glover thought his house was being broken into so he shot and hit a cop, the cops returned fire and hit Taylor and she died on the scene. I don't know about what the cops said about who shot her but they did try to get her boyfriend to say she was involved in a drug operation.
     
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  4. Illinihockey

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    You don't get to shoot people who are negligent. Also the cops weren't really negligent in this case but thats beside the fact.

    Edit: you can't shoot cops


    The presumption set forth in subsection (1) of this section does not apply if:

    (a) The person against whom the defensive force is used has the right to be in or is a lawful resident of the dwelling, residence, or vehicle, such as an owner, lessee, or titleholder, and there is not an injunction for protection from domestic violence or a written pretrial supervision order of no contact against that person;

    (b) The person sought to be removed is a child or grandchild, or is otherwise in the lawful custody or under the lawful guardianship of the person against whom the defensive force is used;

    (c) The person who uses defensive force is engaged in an unlawful activity or is using the dwelling, residence, or occupied vehicle to further an unlawful activity; or

    (d) The person against whom the defensive force is used is a peace officer, as defined in KRS 446.010, who enters or attempts to enter a dwelling, residence, or vehicle in the performance of his or her official duties, and the officer identified himself or herself in accordance with any applicable law or the person using force knew or reasonably should have known that the person entering or attempting to enter was a peace officer.



    Caveat being if they identified themselves.
     
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  5. GrizzliesDrew

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    The warrant shouldn’t have been fucking given in the first place. They got a warrant to her house because her ex-boyfriend got an Amazon package delivered there? That’s a fucking fishing expedition.
     
  6. cutig

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    Smells like boot licking ITT
     
  7. Lyrtch

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    taking the word of a singular witness over every other witness and in lieu of video evidence being non-existent erring on the side of they didn't is the reasonable position
     
  8. GrizzliesDrew

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    Also, why specifically get a no knock warrant if you’re going to knock anyway?
     
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  9. Illinihockey

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    Id say the fact that he had a fun and they were both standing in the hallway was because someone was banging on the door
     
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  11. dblplay1212

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    Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe they weren't wearing them bc it was plainclothes officers doing the no knock.
     
  12. Illinihockey

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    this is what CNN said


    Hours after Shaw signed the warrants, police began the operation, conducting near-simultaneous raids at the various locations.

    Taylor's apartment, according to police, was considered a less volatile, "soft target." As such, police commanders decided in advance to have officers knock and announce their presence before entry. That decision was communicated in a pre-operational briefing, according to a source familiar with the details of the operation who requested anonymity due to the ongoing investigation.
     
  13. Professor Moriarty

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    Unless that pic I saw of one of the officers was misinformation, older white guy, baseball hat, plainclothes underneath swat gear, he had a camera on his right shoulder. Pic was taken at the precinct after the shooting.
     
  14. dblplay1212

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    I don't think for one second that they knocked. Thats the whole point of a no knock, the element of surprise. I highly doubt they announced themselves either. And even if they did announce themselves, that's going to get lost in the shuffle when someone is woken up from a dead sleep by people kicking down your door.

    Has anyone seen data on the amount of police shootings that happen during no knocks? This one is different bc of the circumstances and an innocent woman being killed but I have to think the number of police killings that happen during no knocks is astonishingly high bc people are woken up an try to defend themselves from what they think is an intruder. Cops can write it up that the "criminal" attacked them and get away with it.
     
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  15. electronic

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    The cops were absolutely negligent.

    Also, I'd say there's probable cause to believe that the officers did not identify themselves in accordance with applicable law. Let a jury decide. Manslaughter should be the charge.
     
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  16. dblplay1212

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    Ahh yea I saw that pic. Not sure who he was. I know that some/all of the guys that went in the house were in plain clothes.
     
  17. boone

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    is there any info about how big of a dealer her BF was? I keep goin back to , this whole thing started over dude holdin pounds of fuckin weed.
     
  18. NCHusker

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    I'd submit that it changes nothing
     
  19. Illinihockey

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    it went to a grand jury which has a significantly lower standard and they came back with the charges
     
  20. electronic

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    Posting this makes me seriously question whether you've understood a single thing I've said so far.
     
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  21. Illinihockey

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    You think cops illegally breaking into someone's house is no different from them serving a court ordered warrant?
     
  22. NCHusker

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    In this case yes
     
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  23. NCHusker

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    Luckily for Breonna Taylor they were executing a legal search warrant and not breaking in
     
  24. electronic

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    I think nearly all of the information placed into the warrant was either proven false or admittedly incorrect. They negligently shot at an innocent person, unless you believe that two innocent people can be shot at by police with absolutely no wrongdoing by anyone.
     
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  25. Daniel Ocean

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    I also asked if they got factually incorrect information for the warrant which they did. They originally lied about who shot her and tried to blame the boyfriend for killing her. Only 1 person is saying they announced themselves most are saying they didn’t.
     
  26. Illinihockey

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    This came from her boyfriend

    "I am a legal gun owner and I would never knowingly shoot a police officer," Walker said Tuesday. "Breonna and I did not know who was banging at the door, but police know what they did."

    So they knocked
     
  27. COVIDiskilingme79

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    Ex-boyfriend from 2 years prior. Not the boyfriend who was in the apartment. That is a really important distinction.
     
  28. boone

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    floored
     
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  29. TylerDurden

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    fucking hell
     
  30. Daniel Ocean

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    How you can read that and conclude that they announced themselves as police is beyond me.
     
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  31. dblplay1212

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    I don't read those things that way. I read that as them admitting the system was broken, led to a death, and they are trying to fix it.
     
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  33. COVIDiskilingme79

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    Every single witness account conflicted with the police account. Every. Single. One.
     
  34. Illinihockey

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    so you think they didn’t do a no knock warrant rather they just knocked and didn’t say anything and then kicked the door down?
     
  35. dblplay1212

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  36. Evil Homer

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    So just a thought- part of the problem is that we call these police-involved shootings or they all blend in.

    Every person should be its own thread. making it one long continuous thread is kind of proving the point why we’ve been yelling Breonna Taylor’s name among the many more. This thread is yielding to the people who don’t want to acknowledge the reality of this country.
     
  37. CUtigers

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    Shows where you're wanting this conversation to go when you read that and think it was just knocking, and not the fucking battering ram they used to get inside.
     
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  38. Illinihockey

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    someone said there’s no way they knocked, they knocked that’s in the record
     
  39. CUtigers

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    Nah I'm not doing this with you. Fuck right on off
     
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  42. Irush

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    thoughts and prayers
     
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  43. pperc

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    what aspects of the Breona Taylor case are racial, if any? im ignorant on that aspect in this case.
     
  44. NCHusker

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    Oh well if the record says it
     
  45. dblplay1212

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    All of it.
     
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  46. Hoss Bonaventure

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    She was black and murdered by cops who are still not facing any punishment for murdering an innocent black woman.
     
  47. Artoo

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    That's a shame
     
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