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  1. Bo Pelinis

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    His name is Clarence he went to a private school. And Clarence parents had a real good marriage
     
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  2. chuckmasterflex

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    Keep plugging away, dear
     
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  3. Bo Pelinis

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    Same as Larry the Cable Guy cosplaying a southern dummy to bilk people about of millions of dollars. My man is from Pawnee City, Nebraska and Larry the Cable guy was a character he did for the radio in Omaha.
     
  4. Beeds07

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    I didn't know this, but evidently Em asked Anthony Mackie for info on his life and used it to really diss him.

    Made me laugh
     
  5. IV

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    how did em know Captain America?
     
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    :roll:
     
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  7. Beeds07

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    Her, Lauren and Madison definitely need their own thread, right?
     
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  8. ned's head

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    Very much disinterested in unnecessarily dealing with Mitch's shit

     
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  9. Lyrtch

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    feel like mitch is playing with fire of Manchin just saying fuck it nuke it

    like he's threatening and plans to filibuster just normal ass things to START
     
  10. ned's head

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    Maybe that's what he needs to grease the grievance wheels. But fuck it, let's do it and start using what may just be a 2 year window
     
  11. DelapThrows

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    Fried is probably the only shot. The bench is Florida isn't shallow, it's non-existent. Val Demmings is the only one who I could imagine gaining traction in 2 years.
     
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  12. steamengine

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    Tester needs to beat someone’s ass
     
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  13. chuckmasterflex

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  14. PeterGriffin

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    I’m getting (probably false) hope that the voting rights bill will really transform things. If you remove many of the GOP’s most successful voter suppression tactics, how are they going to survive what has been a mostly equal race for control?
     
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  15. Pile Driving Miss Daisy

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  16. Vito Corleone

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    That DeSantis is still likely to be re-elected tells you that state is more reminiscent of a place like South Carolina moving forward
     
  17. Tobias

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    4000 people are dying a day, joe
     
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  18. Mister Me Too

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    I think Mitch wants the dems to get rid of the filibuster.
     
  19. bro

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    He campaigned on this. To act surprised that he is going to try to pass the Bill this way first is bizarre.
     
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  20. Lyrtch

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    i dont see the argument he'd benefit from it being gone though
     
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  21. Henry Blake

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    By Ezra Klein

    Opinion Columnist

    • Jan. 21, 2021
    President Biden takes office with a ticking clock. The Democrats’ margin in the House and Senate couldn’t be thinner, and midterms typically raze the governing party. That gives Democrats two years to govern. Two years to prove that the American political system can work. Two years to show Trumpism was an experiment that need not be repeated.

    Two years.

    This is the responsibility the Democratic majority must bear: If they fail or falter, they will open the door for Trumpism or something like it to return, and there is every reason to believe it will be far worse next time. To stop it, Democrats need to reimagine their role. They cannot merely defend the political system. They must rebuild it.

    “This is a fight not just for the future of the Democratic Party or good policy,” Senator Bernie Sanders told me. “It is literally a fight to restore faith in small-d democratic government.”

    Among the many tributaries flowing into Trumpism, one in particular has gone dangerously overlooked. In their book “Presidents, Populism and the Crisis of Democracy,” the political scientists William Howell and Terry Moe write that “populists don’t just feed on socioeconomic discontent. They feed on ineffective government — and their great appeal is that they claim to replace it with a government that is effective through their own autocratic power.”

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    But now Democrats have another chance. To avoid the mistakes of the past, three principles should guide their efforts. First, they need to help people fast and visibly. Second, they need to take politics seriously, recognizing that defeat in 2022 will result in catastrophe. The Trumpist Republican Party needs to be politically discredited through repeated losses; it cannot simply be allowed to ride back to primacy on the coattails of Democratic failure. And, finally, they need to do more than talk about the importance of democracy. They need to deepen American democracy.

    The good news is that Democrats have learned many of these lessons, at least in theory. The $1.9 trillion rescue plan Biden proposed is packed with ideas that would make an undeniable difference in people’s lives, from $1,400 checks to paid leave to the construction of a national coronavirus testing infrastructure that will allow some semblance of normal life to resume.

    And congressional Democrats have united behind sweeping legislation to expand American democracy. The “For The People Act,” which House Democrats passed in 2019 and Senate Democrats have said will be their first bill in the new session, would do more to protect and expand the right to vote than any legislation passed since the Great Society, and it would go a long way toward building a fairer and more transparent campaign financing system. In June, House Democrats passed a bill granting statehood to Washington, D.C., which would end one of the most appalling cases of systematic disenfranchisement in the country.

    “It’s time for boldness, for there is so much to do,” Biden said in his Inaugural Address. “This is certain, I promise you: We will be judged, you and I, by how we resolve these cascading crises of our era.”




    But none of these bills will pass a Senate in which the filibuster forces 60-vote supermajorities on routine legislation. And that clarifies the real question Democrats face. They have plenty of ideas that could improve people’s lives and strengthen democracy. But they have, repeatedly, proven themselves more committed to preserving the status quo of the political system than fulfilling their promises to voters. They have preferred the false peace of decorum to the true progress of democracy. If they choose that path again, they will lose their majority in 2022, and they will deserve it.

    Just Help People
    The last time Democrats won the White House, the Senate and the House was in 2008, and they didn’t squander the moment. They passed the stimulus and Obamacare and Dodd-Frank. They saved the auto industry and prevented a second Great Depression and, for good measure, drove the largest investment in clean energy infrastructure in American history.

    But too little of their work was evident in 2010, when Democrats were running for re-election. The result was, as President Barack Obama put it, “a shellacking.” Democrats lost six Senate seats and 63 House seats. They also lost 20 state legislatures, giving Republicans control of the decennial redistricting process.

    Democrats have less margin for error in 2021 than they did in 2009. Their congressional majorities are smaller — 50 seats in the Senate versus 60, and 222 seats in the House versus 257. Republican dominance of redistricting efforts, and a growing Senate and Electoral College bias toward red states, has tilted the electoral map against them. The nationalization of politics has shrunk ticket-splitting voters down to a marginal phenomenon, making it harder for red and purple state Democrats to separate themselves from the fortunes of the national party.

    In 2009, Democrats might reasonably have believed they had a few election cycles in which to govern, to tweak their bills and programs, to see the fruits of their governance. In 2021, no such illusion is possible.

    Tom Perriello is the executive director of U.S. programs at the Open Society Foundations. But in 2009, he was a newly elected Democrat from Virginia’s Fifth district, where he’d narrowly beaten a Republican. Two years later, Republicans took back his seat. They still hold it. Democrats cannot allow a wipeout in 2022 like they suffered in 2010, and looking back, Perriello told me what he thought Democrats could’ve done to save his seat.

    “There’s a belief among a certain set of Democrats that taking an idea and cutting it in half makes it a better idea when it just makes it a worse idea,” he says. As we talk, he ticks off the examples: The stimulus bill was whittled down and down, ending far beneath what economists thought necessary to rescue the economy. The House’s more populist health reform bill — which included a public option, heftier subsidies and was primarily financed by taxing the rich — was cast aside in favor of the Senate’s stingier, more complex proposal. The House passed “cramdown” legislation, which would have allowed bankruptcy judges to alter the terms of mortgages so banks took losses and homeowners would have been more likely to keep their homes, but the bill failed in the Senate, and the impression took hold — correctly — that Congress was bailing out the banks, but not desperate homeowners.




    The Obama administration believed that if you got the policy right, the politics would follow. That led, occasionally, to policies that almost entirely abandoned politics, so deep ran the faith in clever design. The Making Work Pay tax credit, which was a centerpiece of the Recovery Act, was constructed to be invisible — the Obama administration, working off new research in behavioral economics, believed Americans would be more likely to spend a windfall that they didn’t know they got. “When all was said and done, only around 10 percent of people who received benefits knew they had received something from the government,” says Suzanne Mettler, a political scientist at Cornell. You don’t get re-elected for things voters don’t know you did.


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    Nor do you get re-elected for legislation voters cannot yet feel. The Affordable Care Act didn’t begin delivering health insurance on a mass scale until four years after the bill’s passage. That reflected a doomed effort to win Republican support by prioritizing private insurance and a budgetary gimmick meant to keep the total price tag under a trillion dollars over 10 years. Obamacare eventually became a political winner for Democrats, but it took the better part of a decade. A simpler, faster, more generous bill would have been better politics and better policy.

    “Democrats are famous for 87-point programs which sometimes do some good but nobody understands what they are,” Senator Sanders said. “What we need to do now is, in very bold and clear ways, make people understand government is directly improving their lives.”

    That’s particularly important in a time of fractured media, polarized parties and widespread disinformation. Democrats cannot rely on widely trusted media figures or civic leaders to validate their programs. Policy has to speak for itself and it has to speak clearly.

    “The wisdom from much of the political science research is that partisanship trumps everything,” says Amy Lerman, a political scientist at the University of California at Berkeley, and author of “Good Enough for Government Work.” “But one of the insights from the policy feedback literature in particular is that when people experience policy, they don’t necessarily experience it as partisans. They experience it as a parent sending their child to school or a patient visiting a doctor, not as a Democrat or Republican. And because people are often thinking in nonpolitical terms during their day-to-day lives, they are much more open to having their views changed when they see the actual, tangible benefits of a policy in their lives. It’s a way of breaking through partisanship.”

    Make the Senate Great Again
    President Biden’s agenda will live or die in the Senate. Odds are it will die, killed by the filibuster.

    they took 91. Here’s the simple truth facing the Democratic agenda: In a Senate without a filibuster, they have some chance of passing some rough facsimile of the agenda they’ve promised. In a Senate with a filibuster, they do not.

    “I’ve said to the president-elect, ‘reach out across the aisle. Try to work with the Republicans. But don’t let them stymie your program,’” Representative Jim Clyburn, the House majority whip, told me. “You can’t allow the search for bipartisanship to ruin the mandate the American people gave you.’”

    This is a lesson the Obama administration learned the hard way. Tellingly, both Obama and Harry Reid, the Senate majority leader at the beginning of the Obama administration, have come to support the elimination of the filibuster. “It’s not a question of if the filibuster will be gone, but when it’ll be gone,” Reid told me by phone. “You cannot have a democratic body where it takes 60 percent of the vote to get anything done.”

    When I asked Biden, during the campaign, about filibuster reform, he was reluctant, but not definitively opposed. “I think it’s going to depend on how obstreperous they” — meaning Republicans — “become, and if they become that way,” he replied. “I have not supported the elimination of the filibuster because it has been used as often to protect rights I care about as the other way around. But you’re going to have to take a look at it.”

    Senate Democrats could eliminate the filibuster if every single one of them wanted to, but even a single defection would doom them. Senator Joe Manchin has promised to be that defection. Mere days after the election, he went on Fox News and said, “I commit to you tonight, and I commit to all of your viewers and everyone else that’s watching. I want to allay those fears, I want to rest those fears for you right now because when they talk about whether it be packing the courts, or ending the filibuster, I will not vote to do that.”

    Red state Democrats like Manchin have long held to a political strategy in which public opposition to their party’s initiatives proves their independence and moderation. And there was a time when that strategy could work. But the nationalized, polarized structure of modern American politics has ended it.

    Ticket-splitting has been on a sharp decline for decades, and it has arguably reached a nearly terminal point. According to calculations by the Democratic data analyst David Shor, the correlation between the statewide vote for Senate Democrats and the statewide vote for the Democratic presidential candidate was 71 percent in 2008. High, which is why Obama’s sagging approval ratings hurt Democrats so badly in 2010, but there was still some room to maneuver. But by 2016, it was 93.2 percent. And in 2020, it was 94.5 percent. With few exceptions — and Senator Manchin, admittedly, has been one — Democrats live or die together. They certainly win or lose the majority together.

    represent more than 41 million more Americans than the 50 Republicans. This is not a good system.

    Democracy is designed as a feedback loop. Voters choose leaders. Leaders govern. Voters judge the results, and either return the leaders to power, or give their opponents a chance. That feedback loop is broken in American politics. It is broken because of gerrymandering, because of the Senate, because of the filibuster, because of the Electoral College, because we have declared money to be speech and allowed those with wealth to speak much more loudly than those without.

    It is also broken because we directly disenfranchise millions of Americans. In the nation’s capital, 700,000 residents have no vote in the House or Senate at all. The same is true in Puerto Rico, which, with 3.2 million residents, is larger than 20 existing states. For decades, Democrats promised to offer statehood to residents of both territories, but have never followed through. It is no accident that these are parts of the country largely populated by Black and Hispanic voters. If Democrats believe anything they have said over the past year about combating structural racism and building a multiethnic democracy, then it is obvious where they must start.

    “It would be a devastating civil rights failure if we didn’t achieve statehood now,” Stasha Rhodes, the campaign director of 51 for 51, which advocates D.C. statehood, told me. “It would also be a sign that Democrats are not interested in restoring and strengthening American democracy. We can no longer say Republicans are anti-democracy when we now have a chance to restore and create the democracy we say is important, and then we don’t do it.”

    all the right notes. But it’s attached to their $1.9 trillion rescue plan, which needs 10 Republican votes it doesn’t have in order to pass over a filibuster (Senator Mitt Romney already dismissed it as “not well-timed”). Letting the resources required to vaccinate the country — and to set up mass testing and to prevent an economic crisis — become entangled in Republican obstruction for weeks or months would be a terrible mistake.

    Here, too, Democrats will quickly face a choice: To leave their promises to the American people to the mercies of Mitch McConnell, or to change the Senate so they can change the course of the country.

    Some, at least, say they’ve learned their lesson. “I’m going to do everything I can to bring people together,” says Senator Ron Wyden, who will chair the powerful Senate Finance Committee, “but I’m not just going to stand around and do nothing while Mitch McConnell ties everyone up in knots.” They will all need to be united on this point for it to matter.

    In her book “Good Enough for Government Work,” Ms. Lerman argues that the U.S. government is caught in a reputation crisis where its poor performance is assumed, the public is attuned to its flaws and misses its virtues, and fed up citizens stop using public services, which further harms the quality of those services. The Trump years add another dimension to the analysis: Frustration with a government that doesn’t solve problems leads people to vote for demagogic outsiders who create further crises. But this is not an inevitability. Her titular phrase, she notes, “originated during World War II to describe the exacting standards and high quality required by government.” It was only in the 1960s and ’70s that it became a slur.

    It is no accident that World War II led to the idea that government work was a standard to strive for, not an outcome to fear. Crises remind us of what government is for in the first place. President Biden has an extraordinary opportunity to change the relationship between the people and their government. If he succeeds, he will not only deprive authoritarian populists like Trump of energy, he will give Democrats a chance to win over voters who’ve lost faith in them and he will give voice to millions more that the American political system has silenced. “The best thing we can do right now to reduce levels of anger and frustration on both sides of the aisle is to give people the things they need to live better lives,” says Ms. Lerman.

    In other words, what Democrats need to do is simple: Just help people, and do it fast.
     
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  22. steamengine

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    Instead of passing any meaningful legislation the next four years will just be a debate about nuking the filibuster everyday because the senate fucking sucks.
     
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  23. Pile Driving Miss Daisy

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    Maybe you're referring to the people the tweet is referencing, but if not you're going to have to get over that every single tweet isn't me screaming that Biden is being a feckless leader. If Dem leadership isn't happy with him then that is news.
     
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  24. Tobias

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    it is bizarre that some people are not thrilled with even a hint of a lack of urgency as 4000 people die a day and thousands more face bills piling up

    thanks as always for your riveting analysis, bro
     
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  25. Jc6

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    He went to Jared.
     
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  26. Mister Me Too

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    It’s a short term set back in order to get a long term win, it worked for him as far as judicial confirmation.
     
  27. IV

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    God damnit, now it really worries me
     
  28. bro

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    His inaguration was 24 hours ago. What do you mean lack of urgency?
     
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  29. Gaknight

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    Finding out all these people I thought were normal when I lived in Florida are actually big Trumpers was surprising. It's not just the olds moving there.
     
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  30. Lyrtch

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    i dont think long term the abolition of the filibuster is a positive for the conservative movement

    but i'd listen to arguments for it!
     
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  31. bro

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    Biden show urgency regarding covid relief!

    WH literally issues statement this AM saying quick and decisive action is necessary.

     
  32. Tobias

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    kinda depends on if they add dc/puerto rico as states
     
  33. Vito Corleone

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    I feel like people from Florida are more about "getting theirs" and trying to fake it until they make it more than any other state. It's like a breeding ground for fascism
     
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  34. Tobias

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    take it up with the dem leaders who said he stopped them moving quickly, you fucking werido
     
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  35. Pile Driving Miss Daisy

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    Maybe you misread the tweet, but it wasn't trosky_boy_420_69 on Twitter complaining about this, it was Dem leadership calling it a time-sink. Do you think you're smarter than they are?
     
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  36. bro

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    All of TMB thinks it is smarter than Dem leadership.
     
  37. Tobias

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    no

    we all know 100% we are smarter than them
     
  38. chuckmasterflex

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    Off to a rocky start
     
  39. BellottiBold

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    yea that was excellent.
     
  40. RonBurgundy

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    This malarky wouldn't have happened under Comrade Bernie's rule
     
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  41. Mister Me Too

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    Of course it would, they have the courts to use as a check against the democrats, so they can minimize how much the democrats get done.
     
  42. Lyrtch

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    folks

    in a normal admin you're going to have competing factions leaking different things to reporters to pressure the admin and legislature to do different things

    whether they're true or not, or spun in a negative or positive light, is normal and fine

    if we're going to quibble over nudges in each direction or freak out about, ESPECIALLY POLITICO reported ones, this thread will die with the quickness because it's going to be awful to follow
     
  43. Lyrtch

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    what exactly is your argument here
     
  44. bro

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    In a way, that is an absolutely embarrassing thing for Trump to have installed.

    In another way, it is pretty awesome if it is anything but Diet Coke.
     
  45. Gritty Badger

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    lol you and pile driver went on a three week rage posting rampage over Biden winning the nom because you said Trump was going to crush him in the debates and in the general so maybe take a step back from the keyboard for a bit
     
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  46. joe-

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    if you’re insisting POLITICO should die in a fire then babe let me tell you that me and you are on the same page
     
  47. bro

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    Truly gonna be a struggle if every AM starts with someone eye-rolling Biden and posting some Politics playbook leak/rumor
     
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  48. Tug

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    It’s not about being smarter. It’s about having different goals
     
  49. bro

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    why not both.gif