Electric Vehicles

If you're trying to get people to buy EV, how much the person is spending on their car shouldn't matter. I'm not asking for an incentive, Jeep isn't giving me one, but if you want me to give EV a harder look, the incentive would help.

 

Bidens policy is a push for EVs to be in the same price range/affordable as ice vehicles. The more affordable EVs the quicker we get to mass adoption.

 

How will the EV movement ever survive without the 1% of the auto market who is shopping for $80k cars?

The point of the cap is to make the proposal more attractive to middle class voters. Nobody gets the incentive if it never passes. End of story.

 

It’s not a great deal at the current price. It’s not even a great deal at the reduced price. Like I said, BMW/Mercedes have nicer cars available for much cheaper. The decision isn’t difficult.

 

Im total fine with paying more taxes.

And I'm totally fine with not getting an incentive. Maybe I still go EV, but the likelihood is decreased. But it does go against the idea of trying to get more EV in the roads.

 

I’d love a mode between the Y and the X. The Y is absolutely inadequate for the price. The minimalistic interior gives it the same issue as the X. It’s 10-15k over priced. At 50k it should feel like a luxury vehicle and it didn’t to me. It felt like a Saturn with a super computer.

 

you're pretty much just paying for battery tech at this point, for better or worse

 

Like gotch said. It’s blatant political pandering.

cool, no EV for me. Maybe next go around when I’m hopefully in a better financial position it makes more sense.

 

Right. And that wasn’t why I wanted a Tesla. I loved how technologically advanced the computer was with the driving assistance and what not. But the rest of the vehicle is lacking compared to its competitors in the high end market. For me that pushes the calculus over the edge.

 

You’re worried about your financial position and looking to spend 80k on a rapidly depreciating asset?

 

I’m worried about being able to comfortably afford spending money on a depreciating asset. Not sure why that’s a problem, but do you

 

All I hear is a bunch of people who can afford a $90k car crying they don’t get their government cheese.

 

Real bad look

 

This is the most bizarre conversation. Please someone good at the economy. I'm trying to buy a 90k car. My family is dying

 

Hahahaha anti welfare bozos crying that they can't get a 90k car subsidized

 

Interested to hear DBL & crowd’s thoughts on a flat tax

 

Buy more candles and fewer EVs.

 

If this was publicized as a way to help middle and lower income people get a car, cool. I'm all for that. Raise my taxes for it. But when you say you want to give an incentive for someone to choose an EV, it makes no sense to have a cap on it. It should apply to anyone buying a car.

 

if you can afford a $90,000 EV, you can afford a $79,999 EV

 

I'm not saying I can't. That's not the point. The point is I'm more likely to buy a 90k car if I can get it for 78k. Same with a guy buying a 50k F150. He's more likely to go EV if he's getting a 12k discount on that 50k truck and not on a comparable ICE vehicle. It's not about being able to afford or not, it's about opting for EV over ICE. That's literally what the incentive is for.

 

so opt for the $79,999 one

jesus christ

this isn't that hard

 

IT'S STILL AN 80 THOUSAND DOLLAR VEHICLE

 

You're buying a 50k car? Oh well let me give you a nice incentive to go EV bc it's better for the environment.

You're buying a 100k car? Oh fuck you idc what you buy.


Genius stuff.

 

Do we not want those people buying EV?

 

But you do want people buying a 50k car to buy one?

 

That would also be a good green initiative

 

Ctc?

 

Child tax credit

 

That's a terrible comparison.

 

Why? Is the implication that rich people shouldn't have kids, or is it that they don't fuckin need financial assistance because they're already rich

 

Is the 12k financial assistance for someone to buy a car or is it incentive to go EV? I've always viewed it as incentive to opt for EV.

 

Again, this isn't a woe is me. I'm all for raising taxes, even if it negatively affects me. I just don't get cutting off an incentive to get someone to do something bc what they are buying costs too much. A 50k F150 and a 90k Rivian both are better for the planet so giving one an incentive and not the other is dumb imo.

 

That's fair, and I hadn't really viewed it that way. I've been viewing it as an incentive for someone buying a car to opt for EV, not an incentive for manufacturers to make more affordable EV options. If that's the goal, I get it.

 

Well yeah... it's an electric vehicle credit. And if you're realistically in the market for a 90k car, a tax credit isn't going to make a difference in your decision

 

Wait why did other people get covid bucks and I didn’t? It should go out to everyone.

If you can afford a near six figure luxury vehicle and getting government bucks impacts your decision that much then maybe you’re a bit too price sensitive for that range. Stop being babies cuz you won’t get a discount on your new toy.

 

Disagree. 78k vs 90k is a big difference. If 2 things are equally desirable, getting one for 78k vs 90k can easily be the deciding factor. Like I said earlier, I like the 392 Wrangler and the Rivian. Idk if I'd pay 12k more for the Rivian, but if they are the same price or the Rivian is cheaper, I may opt for that.

 

This credit would really go a long ways in the 30-50k range where you’re getting a large(r) discount on the car and there’s far more buyers.

 

Stop buying shoes for two weeks and you’d probably make up the difference

Should we pull up the post where you’re lecturing someone on frivolous spending on shoes they can’t afford?

 

I can afford it either way. That's not the point.

 

It’s obvious why there was a cap, but that’s fine. I’m sure I won’t be the only one who makes the cheaper financial decision instead of adopting. Like afb said, it’s overpaying for a super battery and I don’t care about that like others do.