Yeah, the more I think about it the more it makes sense. If we are any good our “CCG” should be a first round home playoff game. I’ll take that.
Same here, when I first saw this news I messaged my group text something like welp ND's joining a conference but after taking a step back it's fine imo. And like you said, the playoff game they play in place of a CCG could be a home game, so it's not too awful.
A home game in December vs. one of these opponents is ultimately easier than a P5 conference championship game. So the trade-off of not getting a bye isn’t a bad one for ND. Does it make the road to a National Championship tougher? Sure. But that’s true for every team now. The only real downside is tougher matchups from the second round onwards, but you need to be able to beat those teams anyway.
In the end we end up having to play a team somewhere between 6-12, just like a conference championship game would be. But if we join a conference there is a chance that game is against a top 4 team. It's a good tradeoff.
Team stay independent and still schedule a reasonably tough schedule with high profile games. Again, you will have to beat the best teams anyway. I don’t want a team that played a soft schedule without any good win to go In the playoff not battle tested.
I feel good and bad about this. Depth will be challenged playing 3 very good opponents in 3 consecutive weeks. Depth we haven't had really. Speaking of Depth what's the recruiting buzz. Tulsa CB announces tomorrow at 7
the thought of a late December home game against a team from the south is almost too much for me to handle right now
Right. In the replies to Pete’s tweet he said that “gives him pause.” Which means he doesn’t already know it’s ND and that’s never a good sign 24 hours out.
Didn't realize until I saw his twitter bio that he has two years of eligibility left. Would be a major bummer to lose a two-year starter to Mizzou at a weak position. Ugh.
From what I can tell Evans announcing today is probably a good sign, Summer school starts Monday so this would allow him to make that, if it was any later than today we'd have basically a 0 chance.
Two year starter is an assumption. Not saying he wasn't going to beat out Cam Hart, but I don't think it's a given. He's been starting and playing well, but at a smaller program. His numbers have been OK, but it's not like Madden who was so good at his smaller program that he earned AA honors. I'd love to land Evans and I think he could start, but it's no slam dunk. He would, however, add much-needed depth, experience and competition.
Hey curious to what you guys thoughts are with the playoff and becoming full acc members. Y’all currently net about 22 million from acc and nbc deal which is lower than the acc payout, however y’all have made an an extra 5.5 per year from playoffs and bowl games which has y’all over the acc payout. I would assume notre in the acc would give some good renegotiating power and a much higher tv deal but y’all’s nbc deal doesn’t end until 2025. Is the acc the preferred destination or big ten. Or is there no talk of actually joining a conference
not joining a conference- NBC deal is up in 2025. ND games have dominated the ratings the past 4-5 seasons. ND is going to get paid
If the new ACC deal is impossible to turn down, ND will join. If not, they won’t. Yesterday’s playoff news certainly hurts the chances of joining.
It's really not as simple as just the TV contracts and contract payouts. There are valuations that project our indirect revenues higher in independence because we have more flexibility to max out our neutral site revenues and out of conference scheduling, generally. There is also a larger question of brand value in and out of a conference. If we join a conference it will be the ACC. I'm not as certain that we won't join a conference. I think our AD has positioned us to go either way with a reasonable explanation for either path. I also think he's met his match (or better) in Jim Phillips, so we aren't going to be able bend the conference over.
wouldn’t that also help with acc negotiating a huge deal as well? But I get your point thought no bye would help the chances of joining but I guess y’all are pretty much guaranteed to make playoff and get paid either way plus home game at your stadiums good points about flexibility and branding. I wonder I’m Phillips try’s to remove y’all as partial members of y’all don’t join, I doubt it but I’m curious to what he does bc the acc is so behind in money they have to do something
ND ratings are higher when they play out of conference if that makes sense- a lot of ACC teams didn’t draw eyeballs
The only thing it hurts is the chance at a first round bye. But if we finish 5th or 6th, that first round game against 11 or 12 at home is actually more desirable and probably a more likely win than a neutral site conference championship game and the bye.
join the ACC and have to play Clemson every year (maybe twice) to get in to the playoffs. Or win our and play Coastal. I really like this move and happy Swarbrick was helping write the rules.
I wouldn't rule out the possibility that ND does decide to join the ACC at some point but I think the new system gives the ACC less leverage in terms of forcing ND's hand, not more. ND agreed to the current ACC deal in order to maintain access to decent bowls, and the new system makes that far less important.
I never thought of it in terms of being a 5 seed playing the 12 then getting the lowest-rated P5 champ with a bye. That works
I doubt Phillips would try to force ND’s hand or treat them as an adversary when it would seem to be in his better interest (and the ACC’s) to treat ND as a partner to ensure ND’s FT membership should the day ever arrive when ND has no choice but to join a conference. Also, Phillips is the same guy who couldn’t fit a football field within Wrigley Field’s dimensions without an embarrassing last second rule change so let’s not pretend he’s some bulletproof magician or anything.
If the ACC pushes and we aren’t ready I could see us going back to the Big East as a life boat. I really don’t see it happening but right now if some hard line came from the ACC brass I think that’s the direction we’d go. the new playoff at first seemed to be an indicator that we were joining up but after some thought it actually pushes us harder to independence
Sure he doesn’t belong in front of a microphone during a scandal but this is the part of the job he’s actually good at (at least far superior to his predecessor).
Mike Farrell on Akayleb Evans… congrats Missouri Source at one of the schools involved told me as of last night it was Notre Dame but he still hasn’t decided fully. Apparently he’s deciding tonight and announcing so we will see.