Getting SGA would be great and all, but he's got one year left before he gets a max deal. Instead we can take Cade #1 overall and have him on a rookie deal while he hopefully (likely?) becomes a superstar in the league. That's why we don't do that deal.
No reason to consider any deal that doesn't come with a top 3 pick, and I wouldn't do any of them. Take Cade.
Nice straw man, but that wasn't the proposition. I said that SGA in exchange for swapping 1 for 3 would be something to consider.
Which is fine. I'm not sure I do either. It's just what it would take to make it interesting. Does SGA + Mobley or one of the Jalens add more than Cade?
Tigers broadcast just showed a suite with Casey and Weaver in it but claim they haven't been able to get a shot of Cade
Everyone wanted the #1 pick so bad, and now some of you don't want the fun that comes with it. This shit happens every year. Enjoy the ride.
Some of it is luck with the lottery, but let's take a second to look at the lineup of our final game before Weaver took over compared to the lineup we will probably have opening night next year PG - Brandon Knight SG - Svi Mykuiliuk SF - Tony Snell PF - Thon Maker C - Christian Wood V. PG - Cade Cunningham SG - Killian Hayes SF - Saddiq Bey PF - Jerami Grant C - Isaiah Stewart
Hayes will be the PG. Reading most of the scouting reports, Cunningham's best fit is at SG. Might be a more ball dominant one like Harden but doesn't sound like he has the passing ability and handle to be a pure point.
Bench, as of now, for next year is something like Plumlee Diallo Josh Jackson Lee Smith Hopefully we find a gem in the 2nd round.
Meh, I think Cade is going to be primary ball handler, call it whatever position you want. And most scouts I've seen think Cade has the passing ability to play point. Also pretty sure Killian played off ball a decent amount after he came back. Killian is going to have to show massive improvement in year two to be starting either way. We could use a better scoring/shooting guard to rotate with those two and let Killian run bench unit some
Names of positions don’t really matter anymore. Yes, Killian will have to play off the ball more and his shot will have to improve. But saying he can’t play that way because he’s a “shooting” guard now is like saying Jerami Grant needs to add 40 lbs of muscle to be a POWER forward.
I'm fine rolling Cade out there at PG with Jackson or Diallo at SG and Killian on the 2nd team, but I think Killian and Cade will end up being pretty good together with either at the point. Killian will improve as a shootet.
I do not like all the rumors suggesting Mobley goes to Cleveland at 3. I want Houston to either pick him at 2 or trade back with someone who trades for him.
Sam Vecinie draft guide was released Cade was only player he had in his First Tier (potential superstar) Spoiler: Report on Cade Strengths Cunningham has elite-level size as a lead creator at 6-foot-8 with a 7-foot-1 wingspan. He uses that size well, using his length to extend past defenders. Mixed with that, he also possesses high-level strength at 225 pounds that allows him to play through contact with ease and without bother. Extremely dexterous and fluid for his size. Not the typical 6-foot-8 person in regard to body control and understanding of his frame. Covers ground very quickly in transition, where his ability to push the pace under control creates easy, quick offense for his team. That combination of size, body control and length make him a real mismatch problem. If you guard him with smaller guards, he’ll shoot over the top of them or bully them down onto the block. If you guard him with someone bigger, he can really use a variety of tough moves off the bounce to get the separation he needs either going backward or forward. The best place that shows up is as a shot creator both for himself and for teammates. Cunningham is a good, creative ballhandler who does a terrific job with set-up moves to get away from his man on-ball. Plays with great tempo and patience. Very shifty with his hips in how he changes direction from the opposition. Entering college, his best skill was actually seen as his playmaking and passing. Only averaged 3.5 assists per game in college, but that was largely due to role. Sees the floor exceptionally well and plays an unselfish brand of basketball. Watch his tape from Montverde Academy, and you’ll see him whipping around one-handed live-dribble passes, cross-corner kickouts and advanced reads off pickand-rolls to diving bigs. Profiles not just as a scorer, but as a true shot creator who will help his team run efficient offense. Has great feel for when to go for his own shots and when to get his teammates involved. Became a high-level shooter as a freshman in college, which fostered further development into becoming an elite scoring prospect. Early in his development, the jumper was a question. However, he has silenced those concerns. Tremendous touch, having hit 40 percent from 3 and 85 percent from the free throw line. Great mechanics, with a simplified shot. Great balance that showcases itself in variety of stepbacks that he takes. Loves to go right-to-left into a stepback. Occasionally pulls out a weird between-the-legs non-dribble crossover into the stepback. Can put defenders into the blender with a variety of between-the-leg dribbles, crossovers and pump fakes to get separation for the shot. Can score from all three levels off the bounce. Was well above average as a shooter off the catch this season too. Hit at a 64.9 effective field goal percentage, 2021 NBA DRAFT GUIDE 8 which shows how effective he’d be playing off the ball next to a true point guard sharing the load if a team wanted further creation on the court with him. Additionally, Cunningham is a tremendous finisher at the rim. He made 62.1 percent of his shots at the rim this past season in the half court this season according to Synergy, despite only one-quarter of his shots at the rim being assisted. As mentioned above, plays well through contact while maintaining balance throughout core. While not being a crazy explosive athlete, uses his length to extend and finish well. Also has a burgeoning little floater game, although he’s still ironing that out, having made just 27 percent of them. Still figuring out footwork into those shots, but his comfort level and touch projects well toward him acquiring the floater in the future. He’s not just a one-way offensive player. Cunningham is a genuine plus defender when he truly locks down on defense, especially late in games. His feel on that end is tremendous. He has great rotational instincts within a team construct and is a genuine playmaker with active hands. He uses his length exceedingly well to get into passing lanes, averaging 1.6 steals and a ton of deflections per game. He’s also solid as a weakside rim protector, rotating over and using verticality to contest shots inside with his length. Also uses his length well on the ball to bother opposing players. Finally, it’s worth noting that Cunningham was arguably the most clutch player in college basketball. According to Synergy, Cunningham scored 106 points in clutch moments as of March 21, nearly double the next best player in college basketball at 63 points. He shot 47 percent in the final five minutes of games when the score was within five points. He’s reliable and a trustworthy leader who wants the ball in the biggest moments Weaknesses Cunningham is a good athlete, but not a great one. Not wildly explosive in his movements. Relies more on change of pace than anything. Doesn’t have a monster first step. Also, not a crazy vertical athlete. Turnovers remain the significant question. Cunningham averaged four per game. In part, this was situational. Every time Cunningham drove last season, the opposing team collapsed on him and tried to dig into his handle to strip the ball. His handle can get a bit high at times, but with the larger offensive area in college basketball, I’m not as worried about Cunningham’s turnovers getting stripped. It’s harder to dig down on a big player who can pass due to how big the recovery spaces are in the NBA. Also got a lot of terrible charge calls against him because the college game is shambolically officiated. He won’t have to worry about those at the NBA level. Could stand to be better at times at not putting himself in trouble by getting in the air before making a decision. Could stand to lock in a touch more throughout games defensively. Definitely does when it matters, but sometimes took some possessions off in college — likely due to load management given the offensive role he was asked to lead. Summary Cunningham is one of the more complete prospects to come through the draft process in a while. There aren’t many holes to his game. He’s a three-level scorer now because of his shooting improvement. He hits 40 percent from 3 and finishes at the rim. He can make high-level passing reads and plays unselfishly. He defends at a high level. He’s a high-character player. He’s clutch and loves the biggest moments, with a proven track record of success during them. He has elite size for the role he’ll play. There is a case that he is the most bust-proof prospect to enter the NBA in a long while. The worst-case scenario for Cunningham is high-level wing creator who can shoot and make high-level passing reads while defending. It’s reasonable to quibble with his upside athletically, as he may struggle more against elite-level NBA defenders with size and length to match his own. But there aren’t a ton of those guys in the NBA. If you wanted to say a different player in this draft has the highest upside, I wouldn’t agree, but I’d at least understand. But there is no higher floor in this class, and Cunningham’s upside is legitimately being a top-five player in the league at some point given how complete his game is.
I think Mobley has the highest ceiling in the draft and if he's going to reach that ceiling I'd prefer it wasn't in Cleveland
One reason I want Cade is all the reports indicate he actually wants to play in Detroit. Obviously a lot of shit can change, but that stuff seems genuine with him.
I think Mobley's ceiling is higher, but I'd still take Cade #1. Most of that is because he's really good and has an enormously valuable skill set. The tie-breaker for me, though, is if you ever listen to him talk or read stuff about him, he seems to live for this stuff. He wants to be the face of a franchise. He wants that pressure of being that guy. When you watch Mobley on the court, he looks like Jim Caldwell after every play no matter what he did. And when you read about him, it seems he's much more of an introverted guy. And that's fine. And maybe some of that is he has always played with his older brother and his dad was his coach. Doesn't make him a bad guy or anything. But I do think it's a tie-breaker that a team like Detroit would prefer a personality like Cade's. Cade did a pod with JJ Redick a month or two ago if people haven't heard it. I thought it was pretty good. It was before the lottery. He's a very polished guy with that kind of stuff for someone his age. At no point did he seem uncomfortable or anything like that.
I disagree with the notion that Mobley has the highest ceiling. Cade ceiling is higher to me and floor is also quite a bit higher than Mobley. I actually like Green more as a prospect than Mobley too.
Ceiling is very subjective and dependent on how you want to look at what might be realistic for someone. I guess the way I look at it in this instance is... Let's say you simulate the careers of Cade, Mobley and Green 100x each. Then you rank them from 1-300, from the best possible career result to the worst possible career result. If you look at the top 100 on that list, I think Cade's name would be on there 50-60x. I think Mobley would be there around 30x. Green would be there 10-15x. Cade's skill set is such where he has more ways to get to a really good career than the others do, which is why he's more likely to be the top guy in the class than the others. But I think the top 3-5 results at the top of that list are all Mobley because if Mobley puts it all together, he's somewhere between "prime KG" and "skinnier Giannis with a jumper". That's "best player in the league" type stuff. Again, ftr, I'd take Cade because it's safer and easier to build around him. But Mobley has the skill set of a 7'0" wing who can potentially shoot, dribble, pass and create while also being an elite all around defender. It's not likely he puts all that together, but if he does we're talking about a multi-time MVP type guy.