Realignment: The ACC enters the Suck Zone

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  1. HotMic

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    Damn

    “That means the Big 12 deal could drop from $37 million in annual revenue to as low as $9 million per school. Considering there aren't two schools available that come close to replacing the value of Texas and Oklahoma, the Big 12 is in troubled waters to say the least.”
     
  2. $P1

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    That seems bad
     
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    Link?
     
  4. TimJimothy

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    I heard it on the radio on my drive home yesterday, so that's my source.
     
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    Thank you for your letter. The SEC will be out of office with limited access to mail, returning on August 2, 2021. If this is an urgent matter please contact my backup, the B1G.
     
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  7. Redav

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    Prob sums up a lot of people's feelings itt p well...

     
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  9. Capstone 88

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    I knew Texas had been bad from 2010-2019 but never really quantified it. 71-57 which ranks 57th. Right behind heavyweights Liberty, NC State, and Ga Southern.

    maybe we should’ve called Ok State or Iowa State.
     
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  10. TC

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    Now post how much money they have
     
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  11. Capstone 88

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    Per loss, it’s not that impressive
     
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  12. TC

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    I remember 10+ years ago when A&M poached our AD and my first thought was "why does this prick want to make a lateral move, they can't have that much more money than us." Then I hit Search Wikipedia ---> Texas A&M Endowment
     
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  14. steamengine

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    I mean, has anyone ever claimed they existed?
     
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  15. herb.burdette

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    Big 12 Wednesday night games are on the horizon.
     
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  18. pearl

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    Watch Texas try to come into the SEC and demanding a bigger piece of the revenue then the other schools
     
  19. racer

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    This is personal vendetta shitposting , so take it fwiw - my favorite part of this is Matt Campbell out here Turing down opportunities to go to major programs or the NFL to stay at what will likely now be a non-P-5 job lol.
     
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    Hawkeye heated
     
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  22. racer

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    Fair and accurate
     
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    he’s allowed to take a job after this season
     
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    We’re not only going to do that, we’re going to walk over to Bama, kick them in the balls, and tell everyone every decision must flow through us. Otherwise we will burn the building down on the way to destroying another conference.
     
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  26. Fran Tarkenton

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    a move to a more AAC/MWC level might not be the worst thing for some of the Big12 schools
     
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    The grim reaper meme is pretty good.
     
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    This is stew’s dream story.
     
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    This doesn't go into effect immediately and he can still leave in the future. Weird take.
     
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  31. herb.burdette

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    Cincinnati has decent football and basketball programs, but it doesn’t drive TV ratings for either sport even in the Cincinnati/Dayton markets.

    Football is Ohio State and Notre Dame.

    Basketball is Kentucky, Ohio State, and even Xavier competing with Cincinnati.

    Cincinnati is sandwiched 100 miles in every direction between OSU, Indiana, Kentucky, and Louisville with a huge Notre Dame contingent in the metro. Everyone is watching the Big Ten, SEC, and ACC.
     
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    honestly sending Texas in to Trojan Horse the SEC should be wonderful in the long run, just gonna need some patience
     
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    This is so bad, even for Mandel
     
  35. HowdyHorns

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    Great now all you have done is wind up the Rice fan. The MOB will be all over this first halftime.
     
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  38. Fran Tarkenton

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    adults on here that can't afford The Athletic or ESPN Plus is weird to me

    i just assumed everyone on here liked sports
     
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    2010 Texas: “we are the jones’”

    2021 Texas: “we are hopefully the worthy peers of South Carolina”
     
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  40. buy_dont_lease

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    Would you mind posting the article?
     
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    I don't think paying for a subscription to places like the athletic and espn+ fits in all that well around a place that fears change and only sometimes talk sports.
     
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    Mandel: Big 12’s TV numbers explain divide between Texas, Oklahoma and the rest — and why remaining 8 should worry

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    TCU has produced seven top-10 teams under coach Gary Patterson. Oklahoma State has finished in the Top 25 nine times under Mike Gundy. Iowa State is coming off a New Year’s Six bowl win and a top-10 finish. Baylor just won the NCAA Tournament in men’s basketball.

    But conference realignment is only marginally tied to on-field performance. Television value — nearly all of which comes from football — is the overwhelming factor when leagues consider adding new schools.

    If Texas and Oklahoma do in fact defect to the SEC, the Big 12’s “Left-Behind 8” may be in for a humbling reception as they begin exploring their options. The unfortunate reality is there’s very little difference between the TV interest in Kansas State and West Virginia and the interest for UCF or Houston.

    The Big 12 reported $253 million in annual television revenue on its 2019-20 tax return, most of that from a pair of 13-year contracts it signed with ESPN and Fox in 2012. Two sports TV consultants estimated to The Athletic that about 50 percent of those deals’ value was derived solely because of Texas and Oklahoma.

    A look at recent Big 12 football TV ratings provides an eye-opening explanation.

    The Athletic pulled data from Sports Media Watch for every Big 12 regular-season home game from the 2018 and ’19 seasons that aired on ABC, Fox, ESPN, ESPN2, ESPNU or FS1. (Viewership data for Big 12 games on Longhorn Network, ESPN+ and regional networks aren’t publicly available.)

    As co-rights holders, ESPN and Fox hold a draft for each week of the season to determine which games land on which network. They almost always place their top games on over-the-air networks Fox and ABC.

    Perhaps the most telling sign of how disproportionately important OU and UT were to those companies is that 33 of the 38 Big 12 games chosen for ABC or Fox — 87 percent — involved one or both of those schools. In 2019, all 11 Oklahoma games covered by the Big 12’s Tier 1 contract were shown over-the-air. Ten of 11 were the year before.

    It’s no coincidence, then, that 27 of the conference’s 30 most-viewed regular-season games over those two seasons involved the Sooners and/or the Longhorns, led by the 2019 LSU-Texas game on ABC (8.6 million) and the 2019 Red River Showdown (7.3 million). No. 3 on the list did involve one of the Left-Behind 8, but it also included another national power — the 2018 Ohio State-TCU game in Arlington, Texas, on ABC (7.2 million). You have to scroll through 11 games before finding a game between two of the Left-Behind 8 — West Virginia at Oklahoma State in 2018 on ABC (3.9 million).

    Most-watched Big 12 games, 2018-2019
    GAME VIEWERS NETWORK
    2019 LSU at Texas
    8.6 million
    ABC
    2019 Oklahoma vs. Texas
    7.3 million
    Fox
    2018 Ohio State vs. TCU
    7.2 million
    ABC
    2019 Oklahoma at Baylor
    6.8 million
    ABC
    2019 Oklahoma at Oklahoma State
    5.8 million
    Fox
    2018 Oklahoma at West Virginia
    5.6 million
    ESPN
    2018 Oklahoma vs. Texas
    5.6 million
    Fox
    2019 Houston at Oklahoma
    5.4 million
    ABC
    2018 West Virginia at Texas
    4.4 million
    Fox
    2019 Oklahoma at Kansas State
    4.2 million
    ABC
    2018 Oklahoma State at Oklahoma
    3.9 million
    ABC
    2018 West Virginia at Oklahoma State
    3.9 million
    ABC
    The discrepancy becomes particularly glaring when average audiences are compared.

    The 22 Oklahoma games included in the two-year sample averaged 3.76 million viewers. The 18 Texas games averaged 3.2 million. The other 59 Big 12 games averaged a modest 886,000 viewers, less than 25 percent of Oklahoma’s average.

    Average TV audience, 2018-2019
    TEAM AVG. TV AUDIENCE GAMES
    [​IMG]Oklahoma
    3.76 million
    22
    [​IMG]Texas
    3.2 million
    18
    [​IMG]Others
    886,000
    59
    *(Regular season Big 12 home games on Fox, ABC, ESPN, ESPN2, ESPNU or FS1)

    Tellingly, the two largest audiences for an ESPN game involving the other eight Big 12 teams were for nonconference games featuring SEC opponents, both in 2018: Ole Miss vs. Texas Tech in (1.9 million) and Mississippi State at Kansas State (1.8 million). The largest ESPN audience for a game between two Big 12 teams not named Oklahoma or Texas was 1.6 million for Iowa State at West Virginia in 2019.

    In fairness, that 886,000 number is due at least in part to 33 of those 59 games airing on FS1, a struggling network that has largely failed to gain traction despite widespread availability. But it’s not as if the Big 12 is the only conference that FS1 shows. The Big 12’s FS1 games averaged about 40 percent fewer viewers than the 22 Big Ten games that network showed during the same time.

    The Athletic also compared the Big 12’s data with that of the American Athletic Conference. For apples-to-apples purposes, only games on the ESPN networks were included, as the AAC does not have a contract with Fox.

    The 22 non-OU/Texas Big 12 home games on ABC, ESPN or ESPN2 over those two seasons averaged 1.37 million viewers. The 49 AAC home games on those same networks averaged 1.01 million viewers. But take away that one mammoth Ohio State-TCU outlier from the Big 12, and its number drops to 1.10 million.

    That’s just 90,000 more viewers, on average, than the AAC draws.

    So what does all this mean for the Left-Behind 8?

    Per its Form 990, the Big 12 distributed an average of $38.5 million to its members in fiscal year 2020. With TV contracts accounting for 62 percent of the conference’s $409 million in total revenue, it can reasonably be estimated that TV accounted for about $24 million of those schools’ distribution checks.

    If the aforementioned TV consultants are correct in their estimate that Oklahoma and Texas generated 50 percent of that value, then the Left-Behind 8 would expect to see that number drop to $12 million per school. Even if the other revenue streams remained the same — unlikely, as the league would also produce fewer bowl and NCAA Tournament teams — their overall share would drop to $26.5 million

    That’s about half what the Big Ten currently distributes to its members and about 40 percent of what the SEC is projected to reach if Oklahoma and Texas come aboard.

    And that $12 million TV figure might prove too optimistic if/when the Big 12 negotiates its next contract. On one hand, sports rights in general have skyrocketed in the nine years since the conference last went to the market. On the other, such a depleted conference does not figure to garner a bidding war between networks, which could dampen the price.

    A more useful recent analog, given the viewership numbers cited earlier, might be the AAC’s new ESPN deal that began in 2020. That contract nets its schools about $7 million a year on average.

    Unfortunately, that $7 million-to-$12 million range does not bode well for the Left-Behind 8’s chances of landing an invitation to one of the other Power 5 conferences. The ACC, Big Ten and Pac-12 are unlikely to invite a school that would drag down its current members’ slice of the conference pie. All three currently make far more than that from media rights.

    The more realistic play is for the AAC and Left-Behind 8 to join forces in some capacity. The only question is which league will raid the other. Sources told The Athletic’s Nicole Auerbach that the “Power 6” conference plans to become an aggressor.

    Meanwhile, a Big 12 AD lamented to The Athletic’s Bruce Feldman last week that “bringing in a Cincinnati and UCF doesn’t bring any eyeballs.”

    Technically, that AD’s not wrong. There’s no evidence to suggest those schools bring in more eyeballs than his. But he may need to come to terms with the reality that his school may soon be held in similar regard.
     
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