Official Middle East/ISIS thread: Tehran up another part of the Middle East

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  1. Artoo

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    Because these are snitches. These are collaborators. These are rats fleeing the ship. They don't fight. They never have. They cozied up to America for (what they thought was) free money. Now they have to pay that money back.
     
  2. mc415

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    someone should tell these people they have used over a trillion of my tax dollars and 20 years of our resources and still don’t have enough resolve to use all the weapons and training we have given them to put a half assed fight against the Taliban……they have no issue risking their life to flee but won’t risk their lives to fight against the evil they are fleeing ? I see plenty of able bodied men running away and handing over their weapons my tax dollars paid for
     
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  3. Beeds07

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    I said it in the Biden thread, but 40% of Americans are actively fighting the Democratic process we have in place. Why should we exact anyone else would want it?
     
  4. Voodoo

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    Hard to feel too bad for all these men then. Maybe we should have spent money and time training their women to fight.
     
  5. Redav

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    Yeah it's weird to hear the people complain about this when it kind of seems like there's no substantiative opposition to the Taliban
     
  6. Bruce Wayne

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    The now former Afghan regime was wildly unpopular. Really not going to be shocking if there's footage of people celebrating the Taliban that ends up coming out.
     
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  7. Illinihockey

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    probably because real life isn’t like the movie red dawn
     
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  8. Illinihockey

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    that’s not how taxes work
     
  9. Voodoo

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    Well first if you’re using a Red Dawn analogy, then the Taliban would be the Wolverines and the US would be the Soviet occupiers and it seems like it worked out pretty well for the Taliban Wolverines in this instance.

    Also, unless there’s something I’m missing, the people in Afghanistan had the opportunity and capability to fight and stop this from happening but they didn’t even try. They didn’t have to fight as insurgents. They would have been the superior force fighting against insurgents.

    And if there is that little resolve or desire to oppose the Taliban, what is even the point of staying there? Seems like the vast majority of the population got what they wanted.
     
  10. Beeds07

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    Ideally we should continue using resources for people who have proven they don’t want our help. As someone said, at least Biden has the balls to pull the plug on a worthless endeavor and not worry about fake cares and blowback.
     
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  11. Illinihockey

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    except the taliban is a well funded and trained military force. These aren’t just dudes with their personal firearms hiding in caves.

    Afghanistan isn’t a nation like America is a nation. Some tribes just want to get paid and don’t give a shit who they fight for, so why fight the taliban if the people that were paying them previously are leaving? The people you see fleeing for their lives are ethnic minorities and people who helped America because America promised to protect them if they did. They’re about to be massacred and their wives and daughters sold off to taliban members
     
  12. THF

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  13. Tobias

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    just needed 50-60 more years
     
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    Anybody read this? If so, thoughts?

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    Afghanistan: A Cultural and Political History
     
  15. Voodoo

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    Okay so it would have been a more even fight, not a superior force vs an insurgency.

    How do you know that the only people that are fleeing are minorities and people who helped us?
     
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  16. THF

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  17. Beeds07

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    It makes for a better story on why we should be there.
     
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    The problem with that perspective is that it doesn’t really matter if it’s 80% who want it, you are leaving behind the 20% which represents millions of people. 10% of the population are Shia for example, they’re in deep trouble.

    There will be a huge refugee crisis from this, so people will leave.

    The broader question is the moral obligation. I agree that the US couldn’t stay there forever and hold the hands of the nation, the issue really is that there was all this talk of a fighting army being ready and that just didn’t happen. Things folded in a week. It’s like you had the longest pre season you could possibly have, thought you had a team who could at least put up a fight but they fold straight away. You clearly done your job very badly.
     
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  19. Illinihockey

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    i haven’t gone person to person to ask but based on what happened the last time the taliban took over, those people aren’t fleeing because they’re about to be adopted into society. America thought they were going to have a lot more time to evacuate people they made promises to
     
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    Derek Davison sums up this situation perfectly
     
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  23. HuskerInMiami

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  24. Illinihockey

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    I said this is what people thought, this is what they were told.
     
  25. IowaHuskerFan3

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    Just fucking sad

     
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  27. backinblack23

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    This^ and the ones we trained to fight and take over were never going to put up much or fight anyway.
     
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  28. HuskerInMiami

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    Why is everyone trying to get out so bad? I understand on a basic level, bad guys are coming, so get out. But can't they blend in and live somewhat normal? Or will life be hell for everyone that didn't pledge AQ?

    How does AQ know?
     
  29. steamengine

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    When you factor in Ghani went to high school in Oregon it’s hard to believe the government we installed never really took in a country like Afghanistan. Seems they would’ve embraced a guy with that sort of background, or at least respected his Columbia degree.
     
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  30. THF

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    In most cases the Taliban operate similar to how the KGB did in the past, they use fear to ensure neighbors turn in those who either worked with or didn't fight against the Americans in the past. For women, its a lot easier to target those who did things they didn't approve of, such as working with the new (old) government.
     
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  31. Bruce Wayne

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    You'd think we would've learned our lesson from Iraq when our puppet there hadn't lived in the country in like 25 years
     
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  32. killerwvu

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    President Biden speaking at 3:45pm est
     
  33. THF

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    This is a pretty good thread on the overall challenge of the situation we were in.

     
  34. steamengine

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    You think he’ll resign?
     
  35. Tobias

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    he's announcing that him and jared are going to go to afghanistan together to get things under control
     
  36. Beeds07

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    He am an actually use the Mission Accomplished sign since he actually accomplished something there.
     
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  37. killerwvu

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    No
     
  38. Beeds07

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    Making was for Trump to get his power back?
     
  39. steamengine

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    Well shoot. He’s a puppet anyhow.
     
  40. killerwvu

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    Q said Trump would be reinstated in August:laugh:
     
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  41. HuskerInMiami

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    What am I supposed to be seeing in the bottom right picture? Bigfoot?
     
  42. TC

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    Not unless there turns out to be plagiarism in the speech too
     
  43. JGator1

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  44. TC

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    Yeah there are some amazing tweets in that thread.

    "I remember finding propaganda footage cut together from the Soviet invasion and our own Operation Enduring Whatever
    And laughing about how stupid the Afghans were to not know we aren't the Russians
    And then eventually realizing I was the stupid one"

    "I remember how every year the US would have to decide how to deal with the opium fields
    You could let them alone, and then the Taliban would shake the farmers down and use the money to buy weapons
    Or you could carpet bomb the fields and then the farmers would join the Taliban"
     
  45. THF

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    That and the image of the helicopter’s serial on the rear of the helicopter showing it was being used for Evacs back in Vietnam. It’s the same helicopter being used for evacs this weekend.
     
  46. THF

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    The opium fields comment was especially striking to me. It’s not something I ever thought about from a strategy position. I just assumed they would clear them out. But of course as she said; that means we eliminate those farmers ability to grow their main crop. If we help with fertilizer for wheat; they would simply sell the fertilizer to the taliban who would then use that to make bombs to blow up US Troops.

    I mean there’s no viable solution I can come up with for that problem.