Thats the first thing I thought of when I saw these headlines too. This sadly did not surprise me, he absolutely encourages this and his shows have been trending in this out of control direction for years.
I wrote a report on the Hillsborough Disaster this week for a class. I’m going to go ahead and say let’s not rush to judgement on fans being responsible for this just yet.
From what I've seen, it seems like the organizers of the event deserve an overwhelming majority of the blame for this.
I don’t understand: so people just overwhelm security/barricades at these shows and it’s kind of smiled at and treated as “kids will be kids” seeking clarity here Bc I’m an old grizzled bastard
They def deserve blame. As do the artists for continuing. But I’d say the overwhelming majority lands squarely on the pieces of shit that broke down gates, rushed the stage, and continued to do so without any regard for the safety of others. If everyone followed the standard concert rules that are obvious to even the dumbest of us, then no one gets hurt at all. So putting the majority of blame on the organizers is letting the ones that actually caused the tragedy off easy.
Again, I think it's easy to jump to this conclusion, but revisiting Hillsborough is proof enough that these type of crowd crush events are not always on the people.
Anyone else not familiar with Hillsborough, here. 97 deaths. Spoiler: Text The Hillsborough disaster was a fatal human crush during a football match at Hillsborough Stadium in Sheffield, South Yorkshire, England, on 15 April 1989. It occurred during an FA Cupsemi-final between Liverpool and Nottingham Forest in the two standing-only central pens in the Leppings Lane stand allocated to Liverpool supporters. Shortly before kick-off, in an attempt to ease overcrowding outside the entrance turnstiles, the police match commander David Duckenfield ordered exit gate C to be opened, leading to an influx of supporters entering the pens.[1] This resulted in overcrowding of those pens and the crush. With 97 deaths and 766 injuries, it has the highest death toll in British sporting history.[2]Ninety-four people died on the day; another person died in hospital days later, and another victim died in 1993. In July 2021, a coroner ruled that Andrew Devine, who died 32 years after suffering severe and irreversible brain damage on the day, was the 97th victim.[3] The match was abandoned but was restaged at Old Trafford in Manchester on 7 May 1989 with Liverpool winning and going on to win the FA Cup.
Venue ignored previous overcrowding problems, Lack of emergency plan, failure to recognize the crushing as it was happening, and a cover up of police incompetence spanning over 2 decades that centered on blaming drunken Liverpool fans. They took blood alcohol of every person that died and ran criminal background checks on them in an attempt to put the blame on fans. There’s a really good 30 for 30 on it as well
Whoever this "Travis" fucker is, he should face criminal and civil charges for encouraging fans to storm the gate. He's just as guilty as Trump was on Jan. 6th.
Didn’t The Who have something like this happen? All general admission seating and when the doors opens to the venue, people got trampled?
And it’s even easier to jump end up at that conclusion when (unlike 1989) there are numerous videos from on-scene of those shitty people rushing through the gate, dancing and laughing behind piles of bodies on the ground, jumping on and fucking with security carts as they’re trying to save people, etc. So after seeing firsthand accounts, yes, it appears this one is on the people.
I get claustrophobic so I typically stay back a bit at shows like that because being trapped in a pile of people is basically my nightmare, can't imagine how horrifying this must've been
A lot of the deaths fall directly on Travis after reading about it this morning. Apparently thousands of people were screaming and begging him to stop but he didn’t. His stage was also elevated so he could see the ambulances trying to get through the crowd but wouldn’t stop.
The Who concert in Cincinnati comes to mind for me. 11 dead. Over 40 years ago. Of course there's The Station fire where people were crushed, but that was far different. https://www.fox4now.com/news/nation...s-ago-survivors-still-grapple-with-that-night
i agree with you there. Someone is going to get in a lot of trouble, and it’ll be the organizers. Rightfully so. I’m just saying Travis could have stopped when he saw like 10 ambulances driving through the crowd and made zero attempt to.
There's one post ITT saying it falls "directly on Travis" and another post saying "this one is on the crowd of people." Maybe take your own advice on reading all the posts?
Maybe you should read that sentence again if you think that is assigning all of the blame for the incident to Travis.
There’s also legal liability and the court of public opinion, with blame being proper for one but not necessarily another for certain parties.
Apparently the parts that say "a lot of," which implies he's not responsible for all of them, and "the deaths," which assigns blame to him for continuing to perform after it was clear there was an issue, not for starting the whole thing.
Not to go all anecdotal on you, but I once played a show in front of a smattering of people, and a super hot drunk chick did a cartwheel across the bar and fell, exposing her vagina to everybody for like 30 seconds. I had absolutely no idea it happened, even though it was like 10 feet in front of me because I was in my own world. I absolutely agree that Travis could have really helped and/or completely avoided this tragedy. I’ve been to a bunch of concerts where the act has asked everybody to take 2 giant steps back to help out. I’m hesitant to blame him, though, until more info comes out. It’s very believable that he didn’t know the severity of the situation or couldn’t tell what was going on. Also would make sense that he assumed the organizers would tell him if there was a dangerous situation. I’m not absolving him from blame, but I’d have to hear more first. It’s hard for me to picture a realistic scenario in which the concert organizer didn’t fuck up badly here.
Even if that's the case that he's referring only to the deaths falling "directly on Travis," that's still not really actuate. But ok. From everything coming out today, it seems pretty clearly like everyone failed. Travis for not stopping the show, the organizers for not being properly equipped or having the right safety measures in place, and the crowd that clearly had no concern for human life. Anyone trying to shift the blame primarily to a specific group is missing the bigger picture, imo. Yes that seems obvious, yet there are still people itt kinda doing it.
If he knew, as virtually everyone there said he did, and did nothing to try to help then they absolutely are on him. The whole clusterfuck would be the organizers fault but Travis was negligent if the stories I’ve read are accurate