Spoiler My biggest issue is how in the hell does Dr. Strange, Wanda, Cpt Marvel, etc not show up to help the Earth being destroyed. The MCU has gotten too big to have some end of the world event happen and it not show up on multiple peoples radar. I find it hard to believe that Dr. Strange wouldn’t be aware of this event happening.
Spoiler Also, I’m ready for when Galactus eventually appears, he eats Celestials that are in a planet’s cocoon. Then he eventually lays waste to Asherim. Make Galactus the anti-hero he is really.
Spoiler Yep it gets more and more difficult. Hell, Stark or Banner could’ve easily found out about the Winter Soldier helicarrier incident, and been there in no time. The only thing they can do is make movies’ timelines at the same moments. Carol they can get away with being galaxies apart saving a different planet. I try not to think of that too much, because Thanos would absolutely never give away an Infinity Stone to someone else to try and collect a 2nd
Visually was pretty cool, like the more non mainstream comic stories getting highlighted but something felt a little off about it...characters were kind of flat and don't feel like I could get invested in them all that much. I was hoping it would be like Guardians of the Galaxy in that way. Shang-chi easily my favorite movie of phase 4 so far. I agree a lot with putting Eternals on Disney+ as a show and Falcon and Winter Soldier as a movie. That would have worked a whole lot better to me
Agree, but that's only a symptom of the larger problem Spoiler If you create a plot that revolves around the end of the freaking world, you might think that would be enough to carry the film, but it’s not: No one believes a two-thousand-foot-tall being that’s gestating underground is going to pop out of a volcano and destroy the planet. It’s so unrealistic it becomes white noise. So how did movies like Infinity War and Endgame get away with it, when those stakes are even bigger (half of all life in the universe)? They got away with it by shrinking the plot down to individual problems, drama, relationships, etc. Infinity War/Endgame were movies about people we cared about taking drastic steps to stop an unthinkable calamity. Eternals is a movie about people we don’t care about hopping from one exotic locale to the next, arguing with forced, sassy quips, and complaining about the world blowing up. Look at past non-Avengers MCU films and count how many deal with big, “end of world” style plots: It’s not many. Iron Man’s movies didn’t. Cap’s movies didn’t. Thor’s first two didn’t; his third one did but by then we cared and even then the actual “end of world” part was really the B-plot to the whole movie. The Ant-Man movies didn’t. Black Panther’s movie didn’t. Captain Marvel’s movie didn’t. Spider-Man’s movies didn’t. Shang-Chi’s movie didn’t. Those movies had smaller stakes for their films, and they worked because of that. The focus was on the character and his or her personal journey as a hero. The only MCU movie (non-Avengers) that had big, world-ending stakes in its climax, that I can recall, is Dr. Strange, and it pulled it off better than Eternals probably because there was only one Dr. Strange to invest in, and his resolution to Dormammu’s threat was a great moment of character development and payoff. Here, the plot just features a half-dozen power ranger looking people with vague and uninteresting super powers fighting to stop the end of the world. I'm asked to care about it because "it's the end of the world." It doesn’t work that way.
Spoiler It's a comic book movie. I'm cool with criticizing stuff, but the whole "where was (insert Avenger here)" thing is such an easy hurdle to clear as a viewer in all these movies. You're watching things about super powered people fighting obscenely powerful bad guys. If you can turn your brain off enough to accept that, it's really not hard to accept that these stories aren't going to feature these other characters from other movies for reasons we all understand.
Spoiler In the same vein, Strange has to know about the Eternals, right? Also, he has the time stone so he can see possible outcomes.
Maybe this movie didn’t work for people, but I’m glad they’re taking more creative risks instead of the same: hero gets powers -> hero gets humbled -> hero then fights and defeats the bad version of themselves formula that worked for a while.
Spoiler had* the time stone. It’s gone now. Plus he only looked into the possible future outcomes with fight against Thanos. And couldn’t see past that point since he got snapped
Spoiler Wouldn't Cap returning the time stone to The Ancient One have meant Strange eventually still gets it, too?
Since this is an Endgame discussion, I’m not putting in a spoiler tag. All Cap supposedly did was put things back in the right place. As Banner said, changing the past doesn’t change the future. So he gave the time stone back to the Ancient One, who still died in 2017 and passed it to Strange, and then eventually got destroyed in 2018 by Thanos.
We're going to get into comic book time travel here, which is never a good idea, but does that mean that time "branch" is forever in a time loop? Does that Thanos even exist anymore?
Lol Markus and McFeely said one thing and the Russos said another. And then of course Loki made things even more complicated. So, the correct answer is whatever Feige wants to do next.
The Ancient One also said that the stones create what we experience as the flow of time, and that if one is removed it would fuck everything up in her timeline. But now they’re definitely gone, so was she wrong or was she lying?
As a comic fan, "whatever the next guy wants" makes sense to me. I'm glad we settled this. I'm predicting Strange has the stone in MoM.
Wouldn't be the first time that bitch lied about something big. And they're not gone...there's like 74 sets of them tumbling around in Time Bureau's lockers/drawers.
That was another thing - if they only work in the timeline they come from, shouldn’t they have not worked in the new branch that the Avengers created? If you pick to hard at any one thread, it gets real messy. Time travel is my least favorite trope in media so I was hoping Endgame wouldn’t go that route. But it was a great movie, so whatever.
Spoiler Bummed that Gilgamesh got got. They left themselves a way out if they need Sprite to be older, but thought that girl portrayed the character very well. Karun was a fantastic comedic side piece. Some of the women in my theater got a tad excited when Harry Styles showed up mid credits.
I was on the fence about taking the 7 year old, decided to take him, big mistake. He hated it, I’m assuming most kids will agree. The theater was like 10% full and we were back row and in the corner so I let him play Battle Cats on my phone after about an hour because every 5ish minutes it was “is this over yet? How much longer? Can we just leave?”
Spoiler I thought it was fine. Bottom third MCU on first watch. It was just too much for a single story. 2 movies, first one ending with the Ikaris reveal/betrayal and Ajak death, second one with team gathering/building and the final fight. Plenty of time for character building and back story fill in. I didn’t care that Ajak or Gilgamesh died because I’d only known them for 5 minutes. Angelina gets revenge on the super deviant, cool I guess, I was kinda rooting for him at that point. Was also annoyed because I thought the Black Knight was going to be the hero bs Ikaris but he was just a teaser. The “is that the ebony blade” comment and the “yes, it’s Excalibur” really confused me since they aren’t the same but we saw the real one after. I couldn’t place that voice but it could of been Mahershala, we know Dracula steals the blade and then the Vatican steals it from him and then Wakanda steals it from them so a good way to tie him into the future films. Oh, and I guess Strange purges it of its curse and then Namor re-curses it (still think he’s the first crossover mutant in BP2 end credits). Like I said before this film, the Black Knight will be as popular as Iron Man and no one will remember Kit Harrington as Jon Snow in a decade.
Spoiler And was it known at all that Pip and Starfox would be cameos? And that Patton was the playing Pip!!! My goodness, and the Foreigner song seemed completely out of place until Pip shows up and you realize we’re tying into Asgardians of the Galaxy 3. Infinity Watch…..CONFIRMED!!!
Agree with DirtBall think it would’ve been better split into 2 movies Loki series proved this to be meaningless
Partner saw it yesterday and she likened it to one of the Fantastic Beast movies and the HP universe. It’s like you’re watching a Marvel movie, and they make references to a universe you care about…but it never quite lives up.
I liked it well enough, but I’m easy to please. Never really felt connected to the universe though. Really didn’t like the voice of the celestial
I thought it was decent, not great. Certainly better than Dark World and IM3. I think story/plot was good but just too many characters to deal with. 2 movies might have worked. Also I would sacrifice all of you for Gemma Chan.
I actually didn't mind it. Way, WAY too long - they could easily have scrapped one of the flashbacks - but that was really my only major complaint. Kinda enjoyed most of the performances, which didn't turn out to be as flat as expected, and absolutely loved the mid-credit scene with... you know. Definitely a big improvement on Shang Chi which I personally didn't get much out of.
Disagree on fewer flashbacks. I think the movie needed more of that stuff. Or, at the very least... Spoiler a better version of the flashbacks that showcased more of the difference between the different Eternals (personality, powers, etc.), and a more direct line showing how the characters are what they are in present day. That's why I think they would have made a much more interesting D+ series where you can flesh that stuff out over 2-3 episodes instead of trying to jam it all into one movie.
apparently they sold out super quick at the parks thus the inflated prices, but my sister is a pass holder (gigantic waste of money except in this instance) so i told her to keep an eye out for it she was able to snag one for me at disneyland last week though
Spoiler Didn’t care for it. I understand that it’s setting up a lot of things to come…but I just didn’t care for it. I think they took on too ambitious an undertaking with this one; had to be nearly flawless to work and it clearly wasn’t. It was too much to get into one movie. Found myself not caring about the characters nearly as much as the movie was asking me to. Excited for everything to come though.
it’s been off the disney shop since like april so my sister’s been on the lookout since they reopened disneyland she also picked up this ornament for us
Spoiler One bit of irony with mine and most of the universal criticisms is that the Eternals are a Justice League knock off set of characters and this movie felt more DC-like than MCU-like in its execution. It lacked character development, the dialogue was spotty, little to no emotional attachment. The little pixie flips to help Homelander’s side and literally (sigh) stabs Cersei in the back, I know I was supposed to feel emotional there but it just didn’t land. Also, why did Kumail just peace out before the climatic battle? And he got super hot and they kept him in a suit the whole time. (Ok, and this is just a personal perturb but we’ve all seen the Big Sick, we know Kumail is a proud Pakistani, I wasn’t pleased with the ‘you’re brown with an accent, you Bollywood’ choice.) I know my immediate reaction I was also ticked at the lack of Black Knight because I just assumed the final battle would be Ikaris v Black Knight for the world. But I’m happier with just the tease because I think we’re going to get plenty Ebony Blade action in the future.
From everything I’ve read, that was all completely his choice and he wanted to showcase how proud he was of it.
I thought I read where it was his idea but he was proud of it: He trained for four months with the scene’s choreographer, and he said the joy of seeing dozens of South Asian dancers on set made it worth it. “I walked into the gym where we were doing the rehearsal, and I got really emotional,” he said. “It was like 50 South Asian people. … So many years you barely have any South Asian people and then suddenly there’s like 52 of us in one scene. It was awesome.”