Working for a shit wage to raise a couple of kids is hard. Being a goddamn CEO is a cake walk. The fuck is wrong with you? Are you hoping one of these motherfuckers stumbles across here searching for a site to get their third yacht detailed and sees your post and likes your moxie? Even if he does he would only hire you to hunt you for sport. These fucking boot lockers
I don’t think there’s a single person itt who is taking or has taken the position that it’s just hard work and anyone can do it. Achieving billionaire status is probably some mix of upbringing, intelligence, luck, hard work, etc. I take issue with the reductionist “rich parents! Kill them all!” ridiculousness for founders who from all indications grew up middle or upper middle class. There are a shitload of people on this board alone who grew up with the same or similar levels of parental wealth and opportunities who haven’t accomplished the smallest fraction of the average small business founder (let alone Musk/Bezos/Gates), myself included.
I worked retail 2008-2010. it’s more likely a college graduate who couldn’t find their way (who probably has never worked retail) comes in and blocks you from a promotion than it is a high school student replaces you and your current job
Derp. How many people go to Harvard with rich parents and connections? How many accomplish what Gates has?
I get tagged all the time on this board like “hey you suck at making a message board” or “you fucked up the embedding” or “we fucking despise you and you’re the worst admin ever” and do you see me taking that personally and banning and discouraging people for it? hell no. do I know how to do either of those things? also no
The point is not your semantic nonsense. Define it however you want. Doesn’t change the point. There’s a whole group itt shitting on accomplishments of founding and running super successful companies worth billions or trillions of dollars like it’s something the average upper middle class kid could do. And that’s hilarious nonsense. If you want to shit on some kid of a billionaire for founding a $20m company, you’ll get no fight from me. But that’s not the convo itt.
my point is I value a home health aid or teacher as being more accomplished than some idiot making questionably useful apps in silicon valley at various startups but ending up very wealthy
one of the best posts in board history was the person who said whats the point of being successful if people are going to still shit on you i think it was Whammy but could be wrong
For sure man. Mostly luck to found and run multiple companies worth tens/hundreds of millions or billions. Definitely not a smart serial entrepreneur who might know wtf he’s doing.
I don’t have a company where That cal the area where blacks work the bigger zone. I didn’t install security camera so lowly paid interns dont get in trouble for waiting for coffee. I didn’t use people struggling during a pandemic as a way to raise my value to billions. This idea that the stupidly rich made their money by outworking people is how Tommy Tuberville gets to vote on policies that affect people. For the life of me I don’t get people who think like this.
Cool I guess. What’s the point in even having this conversation then? Teachers and home health aides are more accomplished than founders of some of the largest most successful companies in history? Said Lyrtch and no one else ever. They’re cool and all, but I’ll go ahead and vote for more innovators in society than home health aides. I really wish every founder in society ever was a more accomplished teacher instead.
the fact that you've adopted the term "founder" is fun i was also talking about your "small business founder" part fwiw, the folk capitalist tales are fun propaganda when the startup world is largely self enriching schemes with questionable or no utility trying to suck at the teat because there's so much money sloshing around in SV and Wall Street. we'd be better off if most these people filled the huge deficits we have in service industries like health care and teaching etc.
Adopted the term founder?!? It’s a word. And it kinda applies to the group of people we’re discussing. In a sentence: none of these founders are impressive; they just had rich parents and we should kill them. Describing startups as largely self-enriching with questionable or no utility…ahahahahahahahahahha. Pause. Ahahahahahahahaha. I’m really glad I don’t live in Lyrtchville where most anyone who wants to be a founder is forced into healthcare and teaching roles. Teaching as an example is doubly hilarious given the ability of technology to replace and drastically improve the average in person teacher.
You could say this for Trump and he's a complete moron. I kind of thought the curtain got pulled back on this but I guess not
Trump started with like hundreds of millions and would’ve outperformed himself by sitting in an index fund. So no. Try again.
“Founder” sounds like some weird Scientology bullshit, you guys worship these rich greedy fucks or what?
I’d ask the same of the guy who thinks we’d be better off with the majority of founders deciding to be teachers or nurses.
Are you suggesting that entrepreneurs stop trying to build 90% of their ideas and projects and go work in the service industry? Most business ideas are a money-making scheme or a copy of someone else's work. I can get down with VCs being cringe but you guys are getting mad about people trying to make money. That's business.
i disagreed with your value judgement about what qualifies as accomplished. it's ok. yes i find the inefficiencies we prioritize in our system to be very bad
the fetishization of the business owner is so bizarre but only more than that is how insanely defensive people get when you dare question the utility
I’ll ask again. Point me to anything about how much money he started with? All indications are he has no relationship with his dad and was living in like a tiny ass place with his mom with no money. How much do you think he started with? And is turning that into $200b not just a tiny bit more impressive and different than trump?
Oh I can agree with this 100% but the American Dream and greed behind chasing it isn't changing anytime soon.
The dismissal of the business owner is so bizarre but only more than that is how insanely defensive people get when you dare defend the utility of founding companies. See how easy it is to post like you and say nothing?
I get 12 year olds idolizing Ohtani bc they want to be a baseball superstar and have dreams of doing so. 40 year old small business owners idolizing people like Musk bc they have dreams of being them is weird. You're not going to be a billionaire. It's OK to say he sucks and did a lot of shitty things to accumulate that amount of wealth.
i always get confused at this, can you just not comprehend words? my post has a very normal and easily understandable meaning that is also studied and debated in academia. it's not nonsensical or fringe.
This argument already exists in the Tesla thread. Page 125. “I left South Africa by myself when I was 17 with just a backpack & suitcase of books. Worked on my Mom’s cousin’s farm in Saskatchewan & a lumber mill in Vancouver. Went to Queens Univ with scholarship & debt, then same to UPenn/Wharton & Stanford.” We started Zip2 with ~$2k from me plus my overclocked home-built PC, ~$5k from my bro & ~$8k from Greg Kouri (such a good guy — he is greatly missed). My Dad provided 10% of a ~$200k angel funding round much later, but by then risk was reduced & round would’ve happened anyway. ...... Maye added, “We lived at 4000 Yonge St. Over the holidays, my nephew reminded me that he, Elon and Kimbal took turns sleeping on the bed, couch and carpet. A friend said our apartment was very small. I didn’t think so. We still managed to have a lot of fun.” In the past, Maye discussed her struggles as a single mom. “We could not afford to dine out. I had a client with a butcher. Once a month he would give me a beef roast. I would cut it up in four pieces, freeze three and cook one so we could have meat once a week,” Maye told The Huffington Post in 2015. https://www.cnbc.com/2019/12/30/elon-musk-says-he-had-six-figures-in-student-debt-after-college.html Elon Musk, CEO of SpaceX and Tesla, said he ended up with six figures in student debt after college, in a series of tweets about his education and backstory. He opened up about these years of living in debt, in response to a few Twitter users claiming Musk’s father owned an “emerald mine” to pay for his “privileged upbringing and education.” That is not true, Musk said. “This is a pretty awful lie,” Musk tweeted on Dec. 28. “He didn’t own an emerald mine & I worked my way through college, ending up ~$100k in student debt. I couldn’t even afford a 2nd PC at Zip2, so programmed at night & website only worked during day. Where is this bs coming from?”
I'm sure those angel investors weren't friends of his dad or anything. Nope, he did it all by bootstraps.
Meh I see a lot of people getting upset b/c his opinion is predictable and yall just don't like it. And the more you keep replying to it the worse it's gonna get for ppl of your opinion No clue what you're talking about